'26 Bill Farrell Memorial International (11/6-7) thread

AgSurfer

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Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
Why is everyone making this discussion so complicated? The proper path forward for Desmond is pretty obvious:

HE NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS, HARD!!!!!!!!
 
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dicemen99

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Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
The irony in response and username may also be unprecedented.
 

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Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
Manville is big and will be going 149 this year. Desmond is a 141. He's not going 61kg 134 at the Farrell for a reason. Bouzakis is at 61kg and he's wrestling 141 but is a 133. If that were the case with Desmond he would be 61kg as well he's going 65kg because he's a 141
 

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Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.
I'm not reading much into the Lilledahl match, other than that he has (Ragusin was incredible to watch, but that doesn't make it an impressive win)...? I don't think we've seen anything in folkstyle from Desmond other than he was way undersized for 141 last year. I hope he's had a growth spurt.
 
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Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
Free and Folk aren’t quite two different sports, but they are different enough that only some of the top guys are tops in both.
Unprecedented? You serious, Dice? We've seen it a number of times, Dake was mentioned above, DT went from a scrawny 157 to, eventually, 86kg, Cassar lifted and ate his way from 197 up to 225, Zain jumped easily from 141 to 149, and the most recent and probably best comp is Tyler Kasak. Tyler started at 141 at the beginning of his freshman year before finishing 3rd at 149 that season, then 3rd again at 157 as a sophomore. Tyler appeared to be cutting heavily to 141, much like Desmond cutting to 125.

You may end up being right about Desmond but you can't say the jump is unprecedented.
…and Josh Barr “bought a cow from Mr. Kasak”.
 
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amattaro

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IMO if anybody is going to physically grow out of a weight, it is Marcus. His brother has had a major growth spurt the last few years and he has a bigger frame - not to mention he's younger than Desmond. The cut for him to 57, right now, would probably be brutal but he'd be competing against guys who have been 65kg for years if he tried to jump up. He, like Haines, is going to have to make a tough decision about the Olympics.
Blaze beat the reigning 65kg world champion, at 65kg, just last year.
 

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As I noted before, freestyle is different than folk mat wrestling. I heard something spefic but can't elaborate. I watched the Ironhead interview. I'm calling him for a bluff if I'm playing cards. He knew more about Ono and his current status in the room. He certainly isn't going to elaborate about details.

As an outsider looking at the situation. My thought is, if Ono is getting close to competing in college you would see him in tournaments. ??? I'm probably going up to Army and would love to see him at 133 and Blaze at 141 as a dress rehearsal to a line up option .
Maybe Ono's value is more for the NLWC freestyle lightweight room . He gets better from the quality in the room and helps Blaze (ect.)get better on their feet.
Sounds good.
 

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Right now I'm fascinated by the idea that world class wrestlers struggle when going from free to folk or folk to free. We just saw Team USA loaded with the very best folk style wrestlers dominate the freestyle world and yet we're hearing that World Class Ono is struggling with the transition. On the other hand, we've seen Desmond excel at folk style but continually get rag dolled in freestyle.

I'm not completely sold on the argument that Desmond isn't big enough for 141 because Pierson Manville big brothered him at the Open. Young Mr. Desmond has a history of getting thumped in freestyle. Here's his list of TF losses.

2024 Bill Farrell, Daniel Deshazer, 57kg, TF 10-0
2025 US Open, U20, 61kg, Aaron Seidel, TF 11-0 and Elijah Cortez, TF 10-0,
2026 US Open, Sr, 65kg, Beau Bartlett, TF 11-0 and Manville, TF 11-1

His USA Bracketing profile shows no significant wins in freestyle. Am I missing any?
I heard that his issue is related to mat wrestling.
 

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Brantt posted months ago that he was doing good from the bottom because of his quickness but was having trouble on top. But he’s so good on his feet that I can’t see that is a huge problem
and Brantt posted today that he is having trouble on bottom, so take that for what it's worth
 
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PSUPetch

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I hear all of you. There is no way we can expect Desmond to be big enough for 41.

Kids just don’t grow or put on muscle weight after age 18. There is no way I could have put on 10 pounds of good weight when I was 19. Come to think of it the large majority of Americans in general weigh what they did at HS graduation.

He was a 33 at 19 and now is trying to go 41 at 20. Unprecedented.

Kyle Dake ???
Don't forget that Dake is getting younger, so it makes perfect sense for him to put on that weight.
 
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My guess on Ono is that he is 133 and not 141. I think his issues on bottom are not so much in getting up. They are dealing with funk wrestling which freestyle does not have. I bet that anyone wrestling in is going to try to roll around on the mat with him knowing that they have more experience with funk.
 

PSUPetch

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My guess on Ono is that he is 133 and not 141. I think his issues on bottom are not so much in getting up. They are dealing with funk wrestling which freestyle does not have. I bet that anyone wrestling in is going to try to roll around on the mat with him knowing that they have more experience with funk.
Better get Masa listening to some James Brown!
 

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Enough About Ono!!!!

You guys amaze me with your ability to constantly go off on tangents.

There is an Ono thread on this board.

There is a 2026-27 lineup projections/discussions thread on this board.

This is a thread about the '26 Bill Farrell Memorial International. Please keep your discussion oriented around the tournament.
 

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65 Kg =143.3 lb
Curious: how tall is Nate versus Beau?
I always thought Beau’s length translated better to 133, but it is hard to argue his results.
It's not just about height/length. Body type (stocky, lanky, whatever) matters as well (Captain Obvious statement). Bartlett was a 141 pounder.
 

CTStall

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Why is everyone making this discussion so complicated? The proper path forward for Desmond is pretty obvious:

HE NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS, HARD!!!!!!!!
I don't think it's Desmond strength that will be issue.
It's his height. Leverage and length is part of the equation at this level .
 
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CTStall

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Enough About Ono!!!!

You guys amaze me with your ability to constantly go off on tangents.

There is an Ono thread on this board.

There is a 2026-27 lineup projections/discussions thread on this board.

This is a thread about the '26 Bill Farrell Memorial International. Please keep your discussion oriented around the tournament.
Isn't the potential participants at the tournament a fair discussion. Stop micromanaging the site. I've commented about this before. You're treating this site as a hands on owner. About a week ago , 7 of 8 first post were from you. That spoke volumes on you dictating the direction of what you feel is important.
I have no issue if you bump someone for inappropriate comments. Years ago I had comment taken down about how the Suriano situation played out at the other site. It was valid from what Rutgers did from a big doner of Rutgers. It was factual. But the powers of site didn't want it public. I understood that maybe it was too much information.
I use to click on this site a couple times a day to look for some current discussion. I can't stand grouping my emails. I want my emails to post as they come in. I see a post from the summer that the header is dated and now see it has a new entry. That seems to me to be old news.
I could post spefic details about the early line up this year but don't feel it's what the coaching staff would want. I try to filter what I on occasion hear. You are the hands on editor of a forum. It's not the WSJ.
 

HOA242n!

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I don't think it's Desmond strength that will be issue.
It's his height. Leverage and length is part of the equation at this level .
This. It didn't look like he had suddenly sprouted up at the US Open in April. It's the same reason IMO Ono would be better at 133; strength and explosiveness are not an issue for him, but being 5'3" might be at 141.
 

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Ben Provisor was down 6-0 and just hit some strange standing head pinch thing as he was getting driven out. With a failed challenge it's 6-5. I wish I knew T-Rex Sumo better as that move has to have a name.

Didn't know Provisor's father played keyboard in The Grass Roots.

Provisor goes up 7-6 on I think a leg foul and gets par terre for nothing and gives up a step out to win 7-7
 
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Random thoughts watching so far.

It's hilarious when they have the microphones on with no announcing. The most random conversations going on in the background.

One official has to be over 300 pounds. A big, big man.

One coach's matside antics make the Brands look calm and collected. Officials kept yelling at him to sit down.
 
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GR below world class isn't bad to watch as wrestlers make mistakes that allow their opponent to take advantage. A few, but not a lot of 1-1 matches like at higher levels. More low scoring in the semis as the wrestlers get better.
 

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Most who are already qualified for WTT don't wrestle. Top 3 if American qualify. A few might be there due to sponsorship $$ but most don't.

makes sense. they were just in the preseeds that were released less than 24 hours ago so i assumed that meant someone verified they would be there, but maybe that's a bad assumption.
 

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Aden Attao is my favorite Greco wrestler. Just strolls on the mat, wins, and strolls off. (except international of course...) Like those sheepdogs in the old Looney Tunes punching the clock after their shift is over.
 
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