I am thoroughly perplexed by this one. The ball is knocked into the stands, and a male fan is ejected for.....tossing the ball to the female ref.
NBA to WNBA on stupid fan ejections: "Hold my beer"
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That makes no sense until you see its a lady that got offended that the fan tried to give her the ball back.
What is the appropriate maximum velocity with which one can toss the ball to a ref?
Ha.
Okay, serious question, the ball went directly to him. What is he supposed to do? Give it to the player? The player looked like he expected it, but the ball still needs to go to the ref.
Next time he should grab it and run. At least when he's ejected he gets something for his efforts.
That was something. And then everyone asking her "are you alright?" after the fact.
That's what it looked like to me.
Yeah, that part was hilarious. You would think he had just taken a hop step and launchd the ball at maximum velocity into her face.
And Luka "what the f are you doing?" to the fan. Like what was he supposed to do? Roll it back? Wait for security to take it from him?
I'm guessing that the official thought it was too hard a throw and perhaps was a taunt. Who knows, maybe a gentler throw may have made a difference.
1) NBA is no longer basketball
2) What happened is absolutely absurd, especially when Luka is seemingly egging it on
3) Women should not ref mens NBA and men should not ref womens games - period
4) At all future NBA / WNBA events, they should hand out team pacifiers for all the fans and players
5) You can expect much, much, much more of this utter nonsense after Tuesday.... it's coming.
The good news is that as this ticky tack BS continues.....fans will simply stop going to the games. Hopefully both leagues will implode with all this woke BS.
2) What happened is absolutely absurd, especially when Luka is seemingly egging it on
3) Women should not ref mens NBA and men should not ref womens games - period
4) At all future NBA / WNBA events, they should hand out team pacifiers for all the fans and players
5) You can expect much, much, much more of this utter nonsense after Tuesday.... it's coming.
The good news is that as this ticky tack BS continues.....fans will simply stop going to the games. Hopefully both leagues will implode with all this woke BS.
I don't think she was looking and then it hit her in the arm/side. It isn't like he stood up and clocked her with it.
Precisely, and it almost looked like she was looking at him and then looked back towards the court right before he threw it to her. There didn't seem to be any ill will on his part, imo. Maybe since there had just been a no call on what the home crowd thought should've been a foul, she and Luka took it as malignant, but I don't think it was and he didn't look to be saying anything when he threw it. Seems pretty ridiculous.
You asked me a question about basketball the other day. I answered it. So, I will ask you one. What is legitimate basketball now? The high schools can't maintain a roster because you have all these "For Profit" Prep schools poaching schools for talent. As a result, High School is glorified AAU ball with official school names. In college ball, the best players only stick around one year. I hope you don't think a college coach can really effectively teach a player the game in 6 months. A local example of this is GG Jackson. GG didn't help us (The Gamecocks) win anything as an 18 year old. He is twice the player that he was back then just to maintain a rotation spot in the NBA. ....and I don't blame Coach Paris for that. He simply didn't have the time with the kid. The other college players are meandering around the country searching for an NIL deal. As a result, you don't really know many of the players on a particular college roster until February. The conference tournaments roll in, then March Madness, and you start the musical chairs all over again.
That takes you to the professional game which you profess is not basketball. However, every time I go to or tune into a college game, an official that couldn't retain his spot in the NBA is calling a college game making the same bogus calls that got him let go on the professional level. So, what's basketball and what would you like to see that you are not seeing. If it is a version of basketball that goes back 2-3 decades ago, I can't help you with that. Most of these kids that play now view the game of 2-3 decades ago the way you see today's game. In some respects they have a point. The kids of today can shoot it far better than us old timers with much greater range. I question their IQ and shot selection, but the kids have talent. In a lot of respects sport is like the music business. Most people think the version of the sport they grew up on is the best.
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#3, yes. All we hear is that women want to be treated the same as men. They nudge their way into the world of sports. Whether it be in sportscasting, commentary, sideline reporting, officiating, etc. But then when treated as men would be, they get huffy and offended.
If the ref in this case had been a man, it would have been a complete non-event.
Lordy, lots to unpack here.
First of all, you asked me nicely so of course I'll answer you. (I'm afraid you're not going to like my answer though) TLDR version: politics has ruined the sport, on purpose.
More in depth: (We gonna have to get into the weeds, sorry, it matters as far as MY OPINION is concerned, which is what you asked for, my opinion)
IMHO, SCOTUS in 1971 got their ruling wrong in regards to the Sherman anti-trust act. ~ What is it about that, in my opinion, they got wrong? They basically said the NBA couldn't create a monopoly , yada yada yada..... HOWEVER, my opinion is that based on the NBA being privately owned and operated, they can make whatever rules they want. (I concede SCOTUS disagrees with me) ..... There is no monopoly, was no monopoly because NO ONE was stopping a "competing league" of their own.... sorta like the AFC, and NFC .... (perhaps a bad example but I only have so much time to answer you) ---- I am fully aware of the ABA and the NBA trying to poach their players, etc.... which is what lead to everything in the first place..... I simply disagree. If the ABA wasn't good enough to compete with the NBA.....oh well. Tough cookies. Business A should not have to lower their standards or change their practices that made them successful simply because business B cannot keep up. There was no monopoly... there was the ABA.... they just couldn't compete. Again, oh well. (My opinion)
Obviously, I understand there is more to it than my very simple explanation but prior to that ruling, the NBA owners had agreed that there was a four-year post-high school rule for the players. Scotus ruled > Because the league acted as a monopoly or cartel imposing restrictions on an individual's right to earn a living, the Supreme Court ruled it was an illegal restraint of trade. ~ Hogwash. Total hogwash. The players could go out and work at McDonalds, or anywhere else they pleased to "earn a living" -- they just couldn't "earn a living" in the NBA until they were four years removed from High School. - They are privately owned, it's their rules, so be it...... SCOTUS got it wrong IMHO.
From there, everything trickles down hill. Interestingly, the ABA and NBA merged, and now it's ok to have "age rule" because it was negotiated with the players union. ~ Total semantics. It's still under ONE umbrella of the NBA....and the same argument could made today that it (the age rule) still flies in the face of the 1971 ruling..... (which it does on the face of it) ....but because of words, and semantics, and such....it's ok today.
Anyway, that facilitated the "straight to the pros" skipping college era. Garnett, Kobe, etc. Then they implemented the rule in 2005 and that the player had to be 1 year removed from high school.....creating the "one and done" moniker you referred to.
It's a mess. As you correctly stated.
No, I do not believe a player can be properly coached in a single season or six months, or whatever your time frame was. It's absurd. Of course they can't be coached properly. I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you said as far as the problems of the game..... in fact, I agree with you.
What I disagree about is - Take Steph Curry..... his "incredbile shooting" blah blah blah..... drop that kid in the 90's and let Shaq knock his butt 3 rows deep into the stands......I guarantee you he won't shoot as good.
Same with any of them, really. Do it under duress, that would be impressive. But standing around with no defense, no hand checks, etc...and just letting people rain 3's is not talent IMHO. (Again, My opinion)What SCOTUS did is akin to the "feel good" story, same as it was in the movie Remember the Titans when the white coach would "coddle" the black players and the Head coach basically told him to knock it off......he wasn't helping them....he was crippling them for life. BINGO!!!!
You go to school for 4 years, get your education. Get coached up. *THEN* you can play in the big boy leagues. And speaking of "helping" these kids.... look at the injuries. There are more injuries today than there were back in the day of hand checks and physical defense.
If the kids of today don't like those rules of the past......oh well.....don't play. There's other sports, other avenues to make money. Anyway, stay in school, bring back the physical defense, etc...
You remember when it changed???? It changed after the 2003, & 2004 NBA championships where the Spurs, and then the Pistons used incredibly physical defense against the Lakers. Lakers cried, changed the rules. The NBA will say they did it because fans wanted to see more scoring, etc...... blah blah.......No...it was done simply because the Lakers got beat and we can't have that...... so, RULES CHANGE. Of course. Can't get your way? Change the rules.
They didn't change the rules when the pistons were beating the heck out of MJ and the Bulls.
I could not write this much even if I used AI. And I was drunk.Lordy, lots to unpack here.
First of all, you asked me nicely so of course I'll answer you. (I'm afraid you're not going to like my answer though) TLDR version: politics has ruined the sport, on purpose.
More in depth: (We gonna have to get into the weeds, sorry, it matters as far as MY OPINION is concerned, which is what you asked for, my opinion)
IMHO, SCOTUS in 1971 got their ruling wrong in regards to the Sherman anti-trust act. ~ What is it about that, in my opinion, they got wrong? They basically said the NBA couldn't create a monopoly , yada yada yada..... HOWEVER, my opinion is that based on the NBA being privately owned and operated, they can make whatever rules they want. (I concede SCOTUS disagrees with me) ..... There is no monopoly, was no monopoly because NO ONE was stopping a "competing league" of their own.... sorta like the AFC, and NFC .... (perhaps a bad example but I only have so much time to answer you) ---- I am fully aware of the ABA and the NBA trying to poach their players, etc.... which is what lead to everything in the first place..... I simply disagree. If the ABA wasn't good enough to compete with the NBA.....oh well. Tough cookies. Business A should not have to lower their standards or change their practices that made them successful simply because business B cannot keep up. There was no monopoly... there was the ABA.... they just couldn't compete. Again, oh well. (My opinion)
Obviously, I understand there is more to it than my very simple explanation but prior to that ruling, the NBA owners had agreed that there was a four-year post-high school rule for the players. Scotus ruled > Because the league acted as a monopoly or cartel imposing restrictions on an individual's right to earn a living, the Supreme Court ruled it was an illegal restraint of trade. ~ Hogwash. Total hogwash. The players could go out and work at McDonalds, or anywhere else they pleased to "earn a living" -- they just couldn't "earn a living" in the NBA until they were four years removed from High School. - They are privately owned, it's their rules, so be it...... SCOTUS got it wrong IMHO.
From there, everything trickles down hill. Interestingly, the ABA and NBA merged, and now it's ok to have "age rule" because it was negotiated with the players union. ~ Total semantics. It's still under ONE umbrella of the NBA....and the same argument could made today that it (the age rule) still flies in the face of the 1971 ruling..... (which it does on the face of it) ....but because of words, and semantics, and such....it's ok today.
Anyway, that facilitated the "straight to the pros" skipping college era. Garnett, Kobe, etc. Then they implemented the rule in 2005 and that the player had to be 1 year removed from high school.....creating the "one and done" moniker you referred to.
It's a mess. As you correctly stated.
No, I do not believe a player can be properly coached in a single season or six months, or whatever your time frame was. It's absurd. Of course they can't be coached properly. I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you said as far as the problems of the game..... in fact, I agree with you.
What I disagree about is - Take Steph Curry..... his "incredbile shooting" blah blah blah..... drop that kid in the 90's and let Shaq knock his butt 3 rows deep into the stands......I guarantee you he won't shoot as good.
What SCOTUS did is akin to the "feel good" story, same as it was in the movie Remember the Titans when the white coach would "coddle" the black players and the Head coach basically told him to knock it off......he wasn't helping them....he was crippling them for life. BINGO!!!!
You go to school for 4 years, get your education. Get coached up. *THEN* you can play in the big boy leagues. And speaking of "helping" these kids.... look at the injuries. There are more injuries today than there were back in the day of hand checks and physical defense.
If the kids of today don't like those rules of the past......oh well.....don't play. There's other sports, other avenues to make money. Anyway, stay in school, bring back the physical defense, etc...
You remember when it changed???? It changed after the 2003, & 2004 NBA championships where the Spurs, and then the Pistons used incredibly physical defense against the Lakers. Lakers cried, changed the rules. The NBA will say they did it because fans wanted to see more scoring, etc...... blah blah.......No...it was done simply because the Lakers got beat and we can't have that...... so, RULES CHANGE. Of course. Can't get your way? Change the rules.
They didn't change the rules when the pistons were beating the heck out of MJ and the Bulls.
Yep. 10000000 %...... they want to be treated the same, (here comes the silent part)..... BUT... they also want to hold fast to their double standards so they can drop on a dime and cry.
Ask me about their "rights" that have been taken away..... I dare ya'.
And bring you a sammich since she's already coming your way.
Holy crap i was literally about to type that.
You should be concerned if your humor is in tune with mine.
Unless........ are you me?
It looks like the film was sped up when he tossed the ball to make it look like he slung it. But that doesn’t explain the Laker player’s reaction.
The fan could have been an ******* and threw hard.
The fan could have been an ******* and threw hard.
Or worse - are you me?
And why do I keep having these voices in my head... and why am I asking myself... or am I asking you?
I feel dizzy...
If that was a male ref, who honestly believes all those players and other refs would be asking him if he was okay after getting bumped by a ball?
Ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Apparently the NBA has a rule that any fan throwing anything onto the court can be ejected. A quarter dose of common sense should tell you that tossing the game ball back to the ref is not "throwing something onto the court".
To make the situation even funnier, the ref who the ball was tossed to is a former college basketball player (ODU and GWU). One could assume she probably handled passes over the course of her career. She's a rookie who worked her first game on 10/26.
To make the situation even funnier, the ref who the ball was tossed to is a former college basketball player (ODU and GWU). One could assume she probably handled passes over the course of her career. She's a rookie who worked her first game on 10/26.
The rules are always changed to fit certain agendas and stars. I didn't hear all the complaints back in the 60's when the dunk was outlawed for 10 years because Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Lew Alcindor) was dunking on everybody and guys like Adolph Rupp didn't know how to stop it. I didn't hear anyone complain in the 80's when they had the illegal defense rule where you could isolate your best offensive player on one side of the floor and a weak side defender couldn't come over to help. Think that helped guys like Julius Erving and Michael Jordan. Further, the hand checking rule wasn't changed because players were soft. It was changed in 2004 because the hardcore fans like myself got tired of watching 77-73 NBA games that resembled something akin to football. When rules change in the NBA. It won't be long before there are similar rule changes in college. Therefore, in 2014 you no longer had hand checking in College Basketball. However, the lack of hand checking is not the only thing affecting defense on all levels. It's the spacing. Now, good teams on all levels have 4 sometimes 5 shooters on the floor. Then, you have the guys like a Steph or a Luka that might shoot from anywhere once they reach half-court. Defenses have to respond to that and pick up higher. Now, most teams have their big setting a pick beyond the top of the key and sometimes beyond the 3 point line. That brings the big for the defense away from the lane and you have no rim protection. Both offensive wings are usually beyond the 3 point line. You definitely can't help from the strong side of the pick. That's an easy pass for a corner 3. So, most teams try to help from the weakside. The good Point Guards see that help too and the defender can't get back if you make an on target pass. That is today's game in a nutshell. Seems boring but effective. 3-4 decades, you had a big that was discouraged from shooting from anywhere outside of 8-10. a second big that might be able to hit a mid-range jumper, and guards and wings that usually shot it from 18-20 feet. The court was jam-packed with bodies. You add hand-checking to that and it was pretty easy to defend. If you played in or was a fan solely of that era, you don't notice. You think it was great and it was. However, go back and watch a couple 80s or 90s games on video, the spacing difference between then and now is striking.Lordy, lots to unpack here.
First of all, you asked me nicely so of course I'll answer you. (I'm afraid you're not going to like my answer though) TLDR version: politics has ruined the sport, on purpose.
More in depth: (We gonna have to get into the weeds, sorry, it matters as far as MY OPINION is concerned, which is what you asked for, my opinion)
IMHO, SCOTUS in 1971 got their ruling wrong in regards to the Sherman anti-trust act. ~ What is it about that, in my opinion, they got wrong? They basically said the NBA couldn't create a monopoly , yada yada yada..... HOWEVER, my opinion is that based on the NBA being privately owned and operated, they can make whatever rules they want. (I concede SCOTUS disagrees with me) ..... There is no monopoly, was no monopoly because NO ONE was stopping a "competing league" of their own.... sorta like the AFC, and NFC .... (perhaps a bad example but I only have so much time to answer you) ---- I am fully aware of the ABA and the NBA trying to poach their players, etc.... which is what lead to everything in the first place..... I simply disagree. If the ABA wasn't good enough to compete with the NBA.....oh well. Tough cookies. Business A should not have to lower their standards or change their practices that made them successful simply because business B cannot keep up. There was no monopoly... there was the ABA.... they just couldn't compete. Again, oh well. (My opinion)
Obviously, I understand there is more to it than my very simple explanation but prior to that ruling, the NBA owners had agreed that there was a four-year post-high school rule for the players. Scotus ruled > Because the league acted as a monopoly or cartel imposing restrictions on an individual's right to earn a living, the Supreme Court ruled it was an illegal restraint of trade. ~ Hogwash. Total hogwash. The players could go out and work at McDonalds, or anywhere else they pleased to "earn a living" -- they just couldn't "earn a living" in the NBA until they were four years removed from High School. - They are privately owned, it's their rules, so be it...... SCOTUS got it wrong IMHO.
From there, everything trickles down hill. Interestingly, the ABA and NBA merged, and now it's ok to have "age rule" because it was negotiated with the players union. ~ Total semantics. It's still under ONE umbrella of the NBA....and the same argument could made today that it (the age rule) still flies in the face of the 1971 ruling..... (which it does on the face of it) ....but because of words, and semantics, and such....it's ok today.
Anyway, that facilitated the "straight to the pros" skipping college era. Garnett, Kobe, etc. Then they implemented the rule in 2005 and that the player had to be 1 year removed from high school.....creating the "one and done" moniker you referred to.
It's a mess. As you correctly stated.
No, I do not believe a player can be properly coached in a single season or six months, or whatever your time frame was. It's absurd. Of course they can't be coached properly. I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you said as far as the problems of the game..... in fact, I agree with you.
What I disagree about is - Take Steph Curry..... his "incredbile shooting" blah blah blah..... drop that kid in the 90's and let Shaq knock his butt 3 rows deep into the stands......I guarantee you he won't shoot as good.
What SCOTUS did is akin to the "feel good" story, same as it was in the movie Remember the Titans when the white coach would "coddle" the black players and the Head coach basically told him to knock it off......he wasn't helping them....he was crippling them for life. BINGO!!!!
You go to school for 4 years, get your education. Get coached up. *THEN* you can play in the big boy leagues. And speaking of "helping" these kids.... look at the injuries. There are more injuries today than there were back in the day of hand checks and physical defense.
If the kids of today don't like those rules of the past......oh well.....don't play. There's other sports, other avenues to make money. Anyway, stay in school, bring back the physical defense, etc...
You remember when it changed???? It changed after the 2003, & 2004 NBA championships where the Spurs, and then the Pistons used incredibly physical defense against the Lakers. Lakers cried, changed the rules. The NBA will say they did it because fans wanted to see more scoring, etc...... blah blah.......No...it was done simply because the Lakers got beat and we can't have that...... so, RULES CHANGE. Of course. Can't get your way? Change the rules.
They didn't change the rules when the pistons were beating the heck out of MJ and the Bulls.
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Who can forget when continuous dribbling was introduced in 1909?
I stopped watching it a long time ago as well. I'd say 15 years or so. But this is another level on its own. I wish I was that guy. He just smiled and took it. I would be irate at the ref, Luka and anyone that tried to make me feel like the bad guy. The ref should have been like Yo its ok, its not a big deal, but she saw what was happening and just allowed everyone to blame the fan and look at her as the victim. She wanted that attention.
I would have asked for the ball back like I wanted to hand it to her to make amends and instead punted the sht out of it into the stands. Then given her the finger, call luka a bich and give him the finger. Then blasted in the face anyone that dared step to me near my seats. NBA is a joke. Basketball players are a joke.
I would have asked for the ball back like I wanted to hand it to her to make amends and instead punted the sht out of it into the stands. Then given her the finger, call luka a bich and give him the finger. Then blasted in the face anyone that dared step to me near my seats. NBA is a joke. Basketball players are a joke.
I'm guessing that the ref we're discussing didn't see it as a toss. Silly ref. Methinks Security knew it was stupid, and may even have apologized to the fan as they were escorting him out. At least I hope they did.
Perhaps, but I think the ref had a chip on her shoulder. Either is certainly possible.
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