St. Francis vs. Cary-Grove
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I expect this will be a good one.
C-G always gonna give you issues but the talent of RBs is what makes them super dangerous. I am not up to speed on them this year in terms of the talent in backfield.
positive for SF is they’ve played PR in the two years prior, so the coaches have experience game planning.
early forecast, I expect Sat game, high of 46.
C-G always gonna give you issues but the talent of RBs is what makes them super dangerous. I am not up to speed on them this year in terms of the talent in backfield.
positive for SF is they’ve played PR in the two years prior, so the coaches have experience game planning.
early forecast, I expect Sat game, high of 46.
Thanks. Didn’t see any in the archive on NFHS and won’t be able to make it in person next week so that’s a relief.
CGs backfield is young, but very talented overall, FB alternates between SR and Soph, both hard and fast runners. Jr QB, second yr starting, is a beast, 6'3" 215 lbs, throws well enough for CG offense, and runs like second FB. Wings are both sophs, started as freshmen, and very athletic.
I've seen both teams this year. CG has the offense but the defense is not great. Franny has more talent but less depth. if both teams show up, franny wins.
If CG offense is clicking, Franny will only get 5 to 6 total possessions. CG is more patient than PR running the option. Very content with 4th and 1.
Also depth becomes an issue tackling 215 plus almost every play.
Interesting about CG backfield is they start three sophomores at wings and fb. Lots and lots of speed. Faster than most cg teams imo. The sophomore Tenopir has elite speed. Tall and lanky right now but if he can add weight I could see him be a pretty big recruit as a senior.
Not a knock on CG at all but it won’t be the physicality that SF will struggle with. Playing teams like New Palestine, Brother Rice and St. Rita is about as physical as it gets…so they’re used to it…SF D tackles run 300+ lbs each and a couple LBs in the 220-230 range.
It’ll be whether they can be disciplined against the option attack IMO…much easier said than done.
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So you mention physical teams that they lost to and said physical won’t be the issue? You might want to think that one through.
Also 300lbs linemen are a dream come true for CG. It’s all about leverage with the shorter linemen firing off. We will check back after the game to get your input.
The point being all of those teams are objectively *much* more physically imposing than CG, and SF was in 2 out 3 of those games. Even Nazareth is always a very physical team year in and year out.
I’m not saying SF will win…but this isn’t going to be a game where they come out and are shocked with how physical CG is as they have played more physical teams this year. It will be discipline against the triple option which is tough to defend.
CG is a different animal. I promise you CCL Spread teams are not "Objectively *much* More physically imposing" than a team that runs and practices the Veer on a day to day basis. STF may very well beat CG, but give CG a little credit here.
I think 5-6 possessions is not accurate. Even if they put together two incredibly long drives, Franny could get 4 possessions per half
I think you are missing the point. Defending CG is being physical EVERY play defensively. You will doing board drills for 50 plus snaps defensively. Most kids don't understand that because spread teams allow you to take a play off here or there. At no point its anyone saying SF is weak and pushovers, If you've never played them, all this that I am typing will make sense while you are watching the game Saturday.
The other issue is scoring too quick and not giving your defense enough rest and recovery. It will be a good game and fun to watch.
Quick Math. 12 mins is 720 seconds. Divide that by 40 sec play clock, that is 18 attempts. If they have a 11 or 12 play drive, that is the entire quarter.
I know it seem like I am CG fan but, reality is after seeing them, I have tremendous respect for what they do and it is not as simply as being undisciplined like some suggest. They put a lot into the game plan that include much more than just running the option. They want to keep your offense off the field. They are very content with 3 yards a play and using 30 plus second per play. Won't be in a rush at all.
Everyone in this thread has said this should be a great game, what more credit does CG deserve? The rest is just some discussion and really splitting hairs, IMO.
CG has plenty of youth going for them... 3 underclassmen RBs are very capable of doing really good things... The future is bright for the Trojans!!!
They have. Teams routinely remove previous games come playoff time
Option teams, like a knuckleballer, are hard to figure out. Unlike baseball, a single whiff can be disastrous.
Teams that fly to the ball in gangs might target the phantom back while the real ball carrier squirts free for eight yards, or 28.
Teams see this offense rarely these days. It requires thinking, not reacting. "If the halfback does this, I have the edge, but if the fullback leads, I have to crash down. Wait, who has the ball - $#!+ - wrong guy!"
You cannot have the "flying around" attitude that most teams normally have, that IMO, is the difficult part. Have to stay disciplined, if not C-G will use your speed/flying around against you.
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If their offense is clicking like I said before, they will definitely try which was my point.
For CG to win, there are going to need to have drives like this one in the 2018 State Championship
20 plays, 90 yards, over 11 minutes off the clock. I just remember the look of the CM coach as he kept looking up at the clock ticking.
Within 2 minutes of watching that game I got fooled on who had the ball, lol.
Assignment football. Brutal. A lot is on the defensive tackles and Inside backers. CG runs inside veer, outside veer, midline, counter and inside toss and an outside toss. Inside veer and midline the dt is the read. If the dt doesn’t squeeze your Inside backer is going to have a guard at a full sprint blocking him so you’re looking at 4-5 yards. If the dt squeezes and tackles the fb then the qb keeps it. No one can cheat. If your dt isn’t tackling the fb then your linebacker starts to cheat and next thing you know the qb keeps it and is gone for a td.
Every player on the defensive side has to do their job. If one guy starts cheating it’s over. CG doesn’t have the athletes that st Francis has but they are disciplined and well coached. The perfect example of them at their best is the east side games when cg beat them. CG was able to have 19 play drives and even though they didn’t match up well man for man they kept the east side offense off the field.
When I say CG is well coached, I mean they might have one of the best staffs in the state. Watch their early season games and see their progress to now. They have really really good high school football players that they make even better as the season goes on.
This will be one of the better quarterfinal games.
But SF cannot change how they operate on O. Have to continue to do what you are good at, can't try not to score quickly if that is your game. Changing style is exactly what C-G wants you to do.
Maybe CG's best opponent to compare to SF is Huntly. Strong QB with spread look. Huntly scored and I expect SF will be able to score on them as well.
