“Religious Mission”

Mattski · Tuesday at 2:56 PM

The part about this I personally find moderately repulsive is this quote, "Both just strong men of faith," Cael said, "and I felt like it'd be a good opportunity for them to go out there and share that with the world this year."
So now Cael is making decisions for student athletes on when they should go on missions? That's seriously messed up.

Mattski · Tuesday at 2:57 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

Well "they" aren't the ones deciding to go on "missions" right now. Cael is. He's literally quoted as saying so.

Wrestleknownothing · Tuesday at 3:00 PM

Stick Kitty said:
Exactly, I have no issue with the Mat Brown types. But this really moving the religious goalpost outside of Salt Lake City.

Mormon missions were never a part of the rule. Those are just the ones that get the publicity. The original wording was "original church missions". It was replaced with "official religious mission".

VakAttack · Tuesday at 3:00 PM

This one is a bit much, lol.

ChicagoHawk2020 · Tuesday at 3:00 PM

It was obvious Carl wasn’t going to like 5 for 5 because he couldn’t just stack away elite recruits with redshirts and med shirts so he’s just going to do what he always does. Bend every rule that doesn’t benefit him.

VakAttack · Tuesday at 3:01 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
Mormon missions were never a part of the rule. Those are just the ones that get the publicity. The original wording was "original church missions". It was replaced with "official religious mission".

My brother, we do not have to pretend here. We all know what this is. It's also, apparently, legal, but come on.

ChicagoHawk2020 · Tuesday at 3:01 PM

vhsalum said:
If they're taking a 2 year Mormon mission, there's not much I can say. Those are the real deal.

Well they aren’t Mormon, so it isn’t going to be that.

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:02 PM

Mattski said:
Since you're coming over here to post, let's see if you have actual real thoughts to add or if you're just another troll... In your honest opinion would these two be taking missions right now if they were in the starting lineup?

Probably not, but, I have no idea. Honestly, who cares. If you're upset with the rule, that is one thing, but, if these guys knew they weren't going to be in the lineup this year, and chose to do a "religious mission", which is within the rules, more power to them. I'm certainly not going to question their religious beliefs.

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:04 PM

VonEhwegen said:
Comical is a PSU troll on an Iowa page...

I love this page. I have had incredible wrestling discussions on here. I'm not a troll, but, I like to poke, which is all in good fun. It is definitely entertaining to see the reactions from this site on all things PSU.

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:07 PM

Mattski said:
Well "they" aren't the ones deciding to go on "missions" right now. Cael is. He's literally quoted as saying so.

You are making a lot of assumptions. I know you like to think that Cael took a break from punting puppies and forced these guys to take this mission. My guess is that they came to Cael and he thought it was a good idea.

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

You think people on this page are jealous of PSU?

PUR158 · Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Stick Kitty said:
Cael found a way to still find a redshirt within the new 5 for 5. Of course he did. He must be mad scared of what's brewing in Stillwater.

I hope this can be challenged in court and blocked or some set of expanded rules are in place. We don't need anymore 25 year old's on the NCAA mats. I was so looking forward to that not being a thing anymore.

Next year Crookham will be 25 at the start of the season. I love your argument, great point!

Wrestleknownothing · Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Mattski said:
Well "they" aren't the ones deciding to go on "missions" right now. Cael is. He's literally quoted as saying so.

If by "quoted" you mean "misquoted" then sure.

What you said he said was ""Both just strong men of faith," Cael said, "and I felt like it'd be a good opportunity for them to go out there and share that with the world this year."

What he actually said was: "Both just strong men of faith, and felt like it'd be a good opportunity for them to go out there, uh you know their personal decisions obviously, go out there and share that with the world this year."

You added an "I" where there was none and you deleted "their personal decisions obviously".

You are what is known as an unreliable narrator.

Stick Kitty · Tuesday at 3:09 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

You act like it was in some master plan all along? I'd say you are also pretty selective about choosing religion as a shield that can never be doubted or questioned.

Wrestleknownothing · Tuesday at 3:13 PM

Stick Kitty said:
You act like it was in some master plan all along? I'd say you are also pretty selective about choosing religion as a shield that can never be doubted or questioned.

Not at all. Neither you or I know what the master plan was or is. Only you presumed to know. I presumed you were being hypocritical.

ChicagoHawk2020 · Tuesday at 3:15 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

Carl has been a HC for almost 20 years, never had one of his wrestlers go on a mission like this while active, but a few months after 5 for 5 is announced a rule he clearly wouldn’t like, where the only exception for males are these missions. Two elite backups who he could need in the future just happen to decide to go on this mission when they weren’t going to start this year. So convenient. So Carl.

Stick Kitty · Tuesday at 3:19 PM

PUR158 said:
Next year Crookham will be 25 at the start of the season. I love your argument, great point!

And I don't like that either. This BS needs to sunset regardless of who you root for.

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:20 PM

ChicagoHawk2020 said:
Carl has been a HC for almost 20 years, never had one of his wrestlers go on a mission like this while active, but a few months after 5 for 5 is announced a rule he clearly wouldn’t like, where the only exception for males are these missions. Two elite backups who he could need in the future just happen to decide to go on this mission when they weren’t going to start this year. So convenient. So Carl.

Matt Brown went on a mission and came back to win an NCAA title.

Wrestleknownothing · Tuesday at 3:20 PM

ChicagoHawk2020 said:
Carl has been a HC for almost 20 years, never had one of his wrestlers go on a mission like this while active, but a few months after 5 for 5 is announced a rule he clearly wouldn’t like, where the only exception for males are these missions. Two elite backups who he could need in the future just happen to decide to go on this mission when they weren’t going to start this year. So convenient. So Carl.

Brown, Matt

mvattivo · Tuesday at 3:21 PM

Stick Kitty said:
And I don't like that either. This BS needs to sunset regardless of who you root for.

I agree with you 100% on this.

ChicagoHawk2020 · Tuesday at 3:22 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
Brown, Matt

He was Mormon. Which is why I said “like this”

PUR158 · Tuesday at 3:22 PM

The scuttlebutt is that in honor of Veterans Day tomorrow Braeden Davis will be enlisting. When he comes back he will still have 2 years of eligibility remaining. 133 gap filled for 2032.

ChicagoHawk2020 · Tuesday at 3:22 PM

mvattivo said:
Matt Brown went on a mission and came back to win an NCAA title.

He was Mormon. Which is why I said “like this”

Crablegs1 · Tuesday at 3:23 PM

can’t believe how worked up some of you are getting about this. Does anyone think Cael’s not going to have a better heavyweight than Mirasola in 3 years?

Stick Kitty · Tuesday at 3:34 PM

mvattivo said:
Matt Brown went on a mission and came back to win an NCAA title.

Nobody had an issue with that as I believe even when committed to ISU the plan was in place from the start. Transferred to PSU with Cael and DT and followed through.

But now its, wait a few years and see if you win or lose wrestle offs to accept the lords path?

GPT_Hawk · Tuesday at 3:39 PM

Its not about these wrestlers. Maybe a little. It's the fact that 5-for-5 was probably going to hurt PSU a little more than others. It was going to level the playing field a little. Now it looks like it is going to give the most unethical coaches an advantage.

GPT_Hawk · Tuesday at 3:41 PM

Stick Kitty said:
Nobody had an issue with that as I believe even when committed to ISU the plan was in place from the start. Transferred to PSU with Cael and DT and followed through.

But now its, wait a few years and see if you win or lose wrestle offs to accept the lords path?

A true 2-year Mormon mission is a lot different than an 8-month whatever this is. They should get rid of those too. If it is that important to you it should be worth losing 2 years of college eligibility.

Stick Kitty · Tuesday at 3:41 PM

Crablegs1 said:
can’t believe how worked up some of you are getting about this. Does anyone think Cael’s not going to have a better heavyweight than Mirasola in 3 years?

Really good point! It's the parents problem for buying into it because he could start at most schools right now. Put a lot of eggs in the basket for a carrot they may never reach. But I dont think it will be 3 years and like another poster said- the other brother will do it next season. No doubt

What are the rules around this?

T8KUDWN · Tuesday at 3:42 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

I don't believe I have ever commented about a psu wrestler on if they are religious or not religous.
Keep your head in the sand, Carl would never bend the rules.

Stick Kitty · Tuesday at 3:42 PM

GPT_Hawk said:
A true 2-year Mormon mission is a lot different than an 8-month whatever this is. They should get rid of those too. If it is that important to you it should be worth losing 2 years of college eligibility.

AMEN- Fake sacrifice without the sacrifice.

JoeBagobagels · Tuesday at 3:46 PM

vhsalum said:
If they're taking a 2 year Mormon mission, there's not much I can say. Those are the real deal.

Yep, I can see people being skeptical and get the irritation since few others have that option. It's more hard wired in Mormon beliefs and practice than other Christian religions.

JoeBagobagels · Tuesday at 3:46 PM

Mattski said:
Since you're coming over here to post, let's see if you have actual real thoughts to add or if you're just another troll... In your honest opinion would these two be taking missions right now if they were in the starting lineup?

Who knows? You will never know.

funkisfun10 · Tuesday at 3:55 PM

Does this board ever discuss iowa's collegiate team and upcoming season? It's all Bassett, Lord Spencer, and PSU cheating. Lol. Oh, I did see a thread about Cooter....

azchief32 · Tuesday at 3:57 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

Mattski · Tuesday at 4:01 PM

JoeBagobagels said:
Who knows? You will never know.

That's why I asked for his opinion bud.

VonEhwegen · Tuesday at 4:01 PM

BringBackBradBanks said:
It’s all three. Imagine being forced to go on a mission trip, or whatever they are calling this, and not believing in it to some extent.

They're not being forced. They're paid athletes

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

They're just calling a spade a spade,

Stick Kitty said:
You act like it was in some master plan all along? I'd say you are also pretty selective about choosing religion as a shield that can never be doubted or questioned.

its 100% genius move, if religion was questioned by NCCA it be a lawsuit. Don't mean it's not a loophole or ***** move. PSU just trying to prevent from losing Henkle. 6-month long mission trip

. Should be required to do the 2 year one, if using this to freeze eligibility. Next year there will magically be 20 kids doing it.

VonEhwegen · Tuesday at 4:03 PM

Crablegs1 said:
can’t believe how worked up some of you are getting about this. Does anyone think Cael’s not going to have a better heavyweight than Mirasola in 3 years?

Well, he hasn't in 2 years soo? Safe to say he's riding with the twins

Mattski · Tuesday at 4:06 PM

Wrestleknownothing said:
If by "quoted" you mean "misquoted" then sure.

What you said he said was ""Both just strong men of faith," Cael said, "and I felt like it'd be a good opportunity for them to go out there and share that with the world this year."

What he actually said was: "Both just strong men of faith, and felt like it'd be a good opportunity for them to go out there, uh you know their personal decisions obviously, go out there and share that with the world this year."

You added an "I" where there was none and you deleted "their personal decisions obviously".

You are what is known as an unreliable narrator.

Bullsheet I did, I literally copied directly it from Basch's tweet. Go back and read it.
Let's see if you have a shred of integrity to admit you were wrong and edit your false accusation.

IRON HAWK · Tuesday at 4:15 PM

mvattivo said:
Among the various stupid things and predictions you've made over the years. One of them was that PSU guys had not and would not succeed at the Senior World Level. You also added that the guys who came to the NLWC had gotten worse and would continue to do so.

Levi - Gold
Dake - Gold
Snyder - Gold
Blaze - Bronze
Zain - Bronze
RBY - Silver (Big congrats to Spencer, that was awesome to see!)

So......

You have toi be kidding right? Honest question, to live in PA do you have to be stupid? or do they say, yo *** aint dumb enuff go be a NitWit fan and come back?????

Dake and Snyder who are your best guys and who are not your guys. Seem to be doing fine now that the POS russians are off the sheet. That being said, we will see once the Olympics come round?

RBY, got ***** slapped by SUPERMAN LEE on one leg!!!! He also represented mexico???? I will not bring up the others, not worth the time. However, my guess is, none will make the O team or if they do??? They will be booted or worse for team USA!!!!

This all being said, WTF does it have to do with the SCUMBAG f-in up wrestling at every F-in turn he can!?!?!?

Wrestleknownothing said:
You guys have spend an inordinate amount of time on this board bellyaching about how religious PSU wrestlers are, then when they act upon their religion you bellyache about that too. You are skeptical they are religious, then you are skeptical when they live it. Seems performative at worst, jealous at best.

REMARKABLE!!!! We all must have forgotten just how "rightous" and religious goo ol F*** st is!?!?!?!? I mean I just remembered those other bunch of guys.... er ah..... well the other guys.....ummm the other 2 guys...... well you know all the other guys who just picked up to go on their mission!!!!

WOW, what religion is this????? hmmmm ????

LISTEN troll st guys, you wanna blow smoke up yo other dumb *** fans asses, fine go do it on yo board!!!!!

mvattivo said:
Matt Brown went on a mission and came back to win an NCAA title.

NOW this had me LMAO!!!! Matt Brown, aka FAT MATT!!!! well he was apparently a Mormon at least???? Guess his deep religious faith does not have anything against PEDs and cheating???? Maybe check his book????

funkisfun10 · Tuesday at 4:21 PM

Next Sanderson will be skewing scholarship amounts...that's never been done

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