*****Virginia Tech vs Iowa Game Thread*****
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Had McKeever made 1 of those FTs then everything that came after would've been different. VT might've won by 15. We might've won by 15. Nobody knows. What we do know is that had Coleman made that 1 FT, the game would've been won. He choked.
Considering he’s our only guard who can beat anyone 1 v 1 I’m guessing you’re going to be wrong. He’s quick and tough and needs to be in at the end of games.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but when the TEAM misses 17 overall FTs its incredibly unfair to lay the blame at 1 individual's feet when he made at least 1 of the 2 taken.
Had the TEAM made only a couple more FTs during the game, that FT miss by Coleman with 01.6 left means almost absolutely zilch to the outcome.
You mean the team that went to the elite 8 for the first time in 40+ years?
Ask and YEE shall receive........Definitely didn’t see that illegal screen coming
The warning signs have been there all season. We just have had better athletes than the first two teams we have played.
Fts are officially a huge problem... we can't shoot them. Three games is a trend and at this point this looks like a bright red flag.
Our three games:
Lip- 50%
EIU- 64.7%
VT- 66%
That is inexcusable at this level and for what Iowa wants to accomplish. If you all think shooting 1,000 fts a day will fix anything, I have bad news. You can't simulate game pressure. At this point, you can either make them or you can't. Shaq put in hours and hours and hours and it still didn't matter.
I believe in Ben and I know what he believes in. I think we still have players here who can do something but we can't lose non-conference games like that. We need to beat Creighton Sunday. Need to beat Alabama or Iowa St. Need to win all the other non-cons. Need to go above. 500 in conference.
That said, lineups are killing me.
Coon might already be one of the best players on the team. He can't play only 5 min.
McKeever is coming off injury, I get the low minutes in the second half if his back tightened.
Cam needs to make a decision right now that it's time to go. The two missed layups are terrible. You simply have to finish. You have to be better in help. You can't be a liability at times when you check out mentally or whatever it is... If he can't, his minutes need to reduce to less than 7.
Kael has got to be consistent. He has to be more of a threat. He doesn't have to be Stirtz but he can't sit idle either. He has good moments and then head scratching moments. Coleman seems more athletic, more attacking minded and simply more confident.
Cooper... stop differing to others. You go take it at the rim. You shoot when open. You are one of the best players.
Howard can't go MIA or get in foul trouble.
Sage... where did you go?
Thompson has to be given more of a shot.
Fts are officially a huge problem... we can't shoot them. Three games is a trend and at this point this looks like a bright red flag.
Our three games:
Lip- 50%
EIU- 64.7%
VT- 66%
That is inexcusable at this level and for what Iowa wants to accomplish. If you all think shooting 1,000 fts a day will fix anything, I have bad news. You can't simulate game pressure. At this point, you can either make them or you can't. Shaq put in hours and hours and hours and it still didn't matter.
I believe in Ben and I know what he believes in. I think we still have players here who can do something but we can't lose non-conference games like that. We need to beat Creighton Sunday. Need to beat Alabama or Iowa St. Need to win all the other non-cons. Need to go above. 500 in conference.
That said, lineups are killing me.
Coon might already be one of the best players on the team. He can't play only 5 min.
McKeever is coming off injury, I get the low minutes in the second half if his back tightened.
Cam needs to make a decision right now that it's time to go. The two missed layups are terrible. You simply have to finish. You have to be better in help. You can't be a liability at times when you check out mentally or whatever it is... If he can't, his minutes need to reduce to less than 7.
Kael has got to be consistent. He has to be more of a threat. He doesn't have to be Stirtz but he can't sit idle either. He has good moments and then head scratching moments. Coleman seems more athletic, more attacking minded and simply more confident.
Cooper... stop differing to others. You go take it at the rim. You shoot when open. You are one of the best players.
Howard can't go MIA or get in foul trouble.
Sage... where did you go?
Thompson has to be given more of a shot.
Best place for him on this roster. If Mckeever can play Cams the third best option at center and we have multiple guys at the 4 that can shoot the ball, and not just dunk it.
He should . What is he bringing to the team if Mckeever is playing.
A bunch of athletes too......
I think they had a good scout on him, and didn't let him roam the baseline.
I only got to tune in the last 8 minutes of regulation and overtime. Four things I saw with the team, not calling out individual issues.
1. Bad free throw shooting, we all know that. Number 1 reason we lost.
2. Bad minutes distribution, I think we mostly all saw that too.
3. Bad offensive flow on many possessions. What happened to passing the ball around to pick the defense apart and find the open high percentage shot? Too many possessions late in the game and overtime were iso to burn the shot clock and then hope to get a shot in the last 6-10 seconds.
4. Bad defense. Many players burned 1 on 1 with little help defense. Or the help on the drive came too late and often led to a foul.
Those are all things that Ben can work on. Which is good. FT% has to improve though, we will lose several Big Ten games this year if we shoot like that.
1. Bad free throw shooting, we all know that. Number 1 reason we lost.
2. Bad minutes distribution, I think we mostly all saw that too.
3. Bad offensive flow on many possessions. What happened to passing the ball around to pick the defense apart and find the open high percentage shot? Too many possessions late in the game and overtime were iso to burn the shot clock and then hope to get a shot in the last 6-10 seconds.
4. Bad defense. Many players burned 1 on 1 with little help defense. Or the help on the drive came too late and often led to a foul.
Those are all things that Ben can work on. Which is good. FT% has to improve though, we will lose several Big Ten games this year if we shoot like that.
Not much from Sage again tonight.......
You forgot him playing his kid who’s a walk on 17 minutes. 0 points and 3 fouls and multiple blow bys.
And the worst finisher around the rim
You apparently forgot to mention that Ben McCollum CAN'T play his Son for 17 minutes against a legitimate DI basketball team!
We got 0-2 from the field, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls from those 17 minutes. The only one that was remotely close to that bad was Cam Manyawu, and he did his damage in 15 minutes.
Keep your kid off the court Ben, until he truly has something to offer against P4 competition.
Earlier people were wondering why he wasn't playing more
Foul was bs , the ball was long gone.
Same thing they did ALOT with Jirak being the facillitator in the high post and it was pretty effective in earlier games.
Lolol.. How dare you! Not calling a guy who's played 20 minutes the whole year a bust, or calling out the coach who just took us to the elite 8. Wheres your head at?
Nothing going on. If he's not dunking it , its a 50-50 or worse chance he'll miss the layup.
He never stepped on the floor in the 2nd half. I'd give him a bunch of Cams minutes
I hope your not saying Howard was MIA today. He played his butt off. Other than making that one three Sage was a non factor...
You apparently forgot to mention that Ben McCollum CAN'T play his Son for 17 minutes against a legitimate DI basketball team!
We got 0-2 from the field, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls from those 17 minutes. The only one that was remotely close to that bad was Cam Manyawu, and he did his damage in 15 minutes.
Keep your kid off the court Ben, until he truly has something to offer against P4 competition.
Agreed, forgot him but I was kind of on a rant that I thought was too long.
I give Peyton SOME benefit of the doubt since he was our leading scorer last game but the difference in athleticism was glaring. Him getting 12 minutes more than Coon and 17 more than Thompson was... something.
I wonder why he was so hard on Jirak tonight? Yes, Trev played awful in the few minutes he had but he never saw the floor again. I just don't think Ben had a big he liked tonight.
You can't jump out and extend on a three point shooter. Even decent guys miss 2 out of 3 attempts, but foul him and give him three free throws.
I get the premise, but the call is bs. Rule needs to be changed. Him touching the guys wrist after the ball has been launched and had nothing to do with the shot trajectory is bs.
I like the rule as it is. If the defender's hand is so close that it makes contact after the shot he has likely caused the shooter to rush his shot or affect the trajectory.
That said it looked to me like Cam's hand went between the shooter's two hands. But, imo, Cam followed through too far by giving the ref a chance to miss the call. Maybe got a little too close to the shooter too.
My 2 cents.
And let’s not forget he missed a dunk too.
Now I've never been able to take off in the middle of the lane and stretch forward and attempt to dunk it ... BUT if I could stretch out like that so that I can barely get the ball over the front rim and onto the heel of the back rim I don't think I'd proceed to pull the front of the rim down and allow the ball to kick out.
I know the game happens fast but it seems like by this point players like Cam might learn to avoid that but, TBF, plenty don't
.
You know they call follow through and "landing space " fouls on three point shooters all the time......
Yep first game in person for awhile. Hawks need this one. Hope they shoot better from the line. Its been a consistent issue in all 3 games.
One other thing I noticed, there were many offensive possessions where Ben was not happy with what our players were doing. Either them not getting to the right position or them not moving the ball to the right place. He was very demonstrative pointing and swinging his arms around on many possessions. Seems that our offense is disjointed right now against a team of athletic defenders like VT had. There’s no Stirtz-level PG out there to be the coach on the floor currently.
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