“Religious Mission”

Wrestleknownothing

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Some spend time complaining less about how religious they are, but more about how self-righteous they are.
However, many complain about Carl's manipulation of the system. We get it. It's all legal, and he's very good at it. Congrats.
One man's profession of faith is another man's self-righteousness. This is not an exclusively PSU thing either. Every team in every sport has athletes who wear it on their sleeve. Or t-shirt.
 

WhiteDog125

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And how do you know? Did they convert? Or are they Christians who are going to be due in missionary work for the length of time that meets the NCA standards? Essentially you know nothing and just wanna be mad about this because you perceive it as giving an advantage to Penn State.
Obviously you didn’t read my post earlier Moran
 
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IRON HAWK

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WOW. You question kids for not wearing religion on their sleeves? Is that what it’s come to? It’s a messed up rule/exemption to me. That would be the issue.
Once AGAIN, we have a failure to communicate!! Am I questioning their faith? OR am I questioning their NEWLY formed faith in the COCKROACH krailure!?!?!?!?
What do you recall them showing/talking about?
ahhhhhhh exactly , and you?????? I pointed out the BULL and ANYONE who follows IOWA wrestling could tell you in a millisecond that the kid was religious!!!! You can point out plenty, BO BASSETTE comes to mind for example.

You being a F*** st luver because they cheated and won( you were never one before!!!!!) You can obviously/ certainly point us to ALL these "great men of faith" ( the lying POS krailures words) that you have seen!!!
I dont agree with what Penn St is doing. I would like to know why you would question someone’s faith. Not every person is out front in their faith. its very personal to most people. If its a scam to keep them around longer its terrible. If this is their true faith we should have no problem with it.
come on man!!!!
I don’t buy this. Everybody knew the rules and that they could do this. He’s just the one scummy enough to open the floodgates.
YES!!!! TY the SCUMBAG lying POS should be removed from coaching!!!!
Some spend time complaining less about how religious they are, but more about how self-righteous they are.
However, many complain about Carl's manipulation of the system. We get it. It's all legal, and he's very good at it. Congrats.
uhhhh what????? "its legal" yea so was paying out $600K in "camp expenses"!?!?!? I mean you run camps and instead of making money, you pay money!!!!!! YEP nothing to see here!!!! Move right along!!!!

I mean I have seen this many times, dozens of times, hundreds even........ oh wait a minute......... NO I haven't , not even ONCE have I seen kids in skool who SUDDENLY leave to go on a mission!!!! I have seen Mormons who commit BEFORE skool etc.....

PLEASE point out OTHER F*** st wrestlers who have done this????? NOT Mormon by the way, also enrolled in skool for years!!!! I will help you out, how about any wrestlers from any team???? I will wait LMAO PATHETIC bunch of LOSERS you bandwagon clowns are!!!!!
 

VonEhwegen

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Actually I do know why they are doing it; to save eligibility. How do I know this? The names involved and the timing. You know it too.
Unfortunately, this didn't just come about. The parties involved have known about it since mid-summer from my understanding. But all together just a bull **** way of saving a year. But yes, this has been the game plan for a while now, just wasn't made public for whatever reason. Cael doing Cael things
 

VonEhwegen

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WOW!!!!

Some of you really/ honestly want to try and make this out for something other then it is???? For the love of GOD!!!!

Let me try it again. The SCUMBAG aka the GR8 Krailure is NOTHING more then a LARGE POS!!!! Some want to give him a pass for "gaming the system" using FatMoneyMans dough to bring in 5Xs more recruits then anyone else!!!!

It AMAZES me the STUPIDITY that todays world is!!!!!

This is just more of the BS that this PRICK has come up with to do his best to drive wrestling to extinction!!! These Wrestlers( at least wanna be) should be WRESTLING for some other team!!!

So STOP sugar coating EVERY darn thing!!! Just say it how it is. F*** st and those involved are COCKROACHES!!! They will do everything and ANYTHING to cheat/lie/ steal !!!! Where is the POS ncaa on this????? I mean I do not EVER even recall either of the TWOOOO guys showing/ talking about their deep religious beliefs???

I mean a guy like the BULL for example. You saw it, heard it etc.... and if it was a wrestler like him, you might say, OK I get it kinda?!?!?!? BUTTs these F*** st guys?????? I bet you in less then a week I could BLOW UP the whole darn thing!!!! Where do they go to church? What church were they brought up in? Have they been going to church all along? where? Start with <<<<< this!!!!
Relax bud, it will all be alright. Don't pop a blood vessel over PSU. Cael is a snake and the same guy that betrayed his own school to be a sell out
 

Sabula

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Honest question, and coming from a Hawkeye fan:

How would you feel if this were happening on Iowa's team? Is it sleazy, is it a way 'around' the rules, or is it because they really want to get closer to God?

Relax bud, it will all be alright. Don't pop a blood vessel over PSU. Cael is a snake and the same guy that betrayed his own school to be a sell out
So if someone's taking off to do a "mission", does their nil money follow them or is that on hold?
 

UNIHawk

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If Mocco were the first one to do this, I have a feeling that 99% of the reactions from people on this board would be quite different.
I’d at least identify for what it is, gaming the system. I wouldn’t sell it as some sudden enlightenment on part of the kids to protect Saint Carl’s reputation. Everyone knows what this is….the blowing of smoke up my hind end is what I find insulting.
 

GLC1969

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IMO this is wrong. I understand. But it’s it is there true faith who are we to question. IRON hates PSU CLEARLY. Religion is a different breed. I have no intention of opening a religious war on a Hawkeye board. I will say this though if TNT did this with Basset would you have accepted it. I am done now. That might have been a brige to far
 

sdvike

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If Mocco were the first one to do this, I have a feeling that 99% of the reactions from people on this board would be quite different.
If this, if that. He wasn't the first but it's open season now to go get the mission red shirt. Thanks Cael for taking out the 5 for 5, just wondering which team ya think will benefit the most.
 
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blcoach80

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How does this affect PSU's 30 man roster (serious question)? Are they down to 28 this year or were they at 32 and are down to 30 now? Is the 30 man roster in effect this year yet? Waiting on Haines would have had bearing on their roster too if he got another year.
 

Wrestleknownothing

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How does this affect PSU's 30 man roster (serious question)? Are they down to 28 this year or were they at 32 and are down to 30 now? Is the 30 man roster in effect this year yet? Waiting on Haines would have had bearing on their roster too if he got another year.
It is hard to say for anyone. There are exempted athletes who do not count toward the 30, but no one outside of the NCAA and the athletes/schools knows who they are or how many there are. With exempted athletes someone can have more than 30 wrestlers.

Right now PSU has 28.
 

IRON HAWK

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They(F*** st people) are reporting that BabyFaceDavis is no longer on the roster? This is yet another example of WTF is going on!?!?!? Is babyFace still in NitWit Low Lying Swamp Valley????? Where is the kid? Did he leave skool, get cut.......?????? TheGR8 Krailure F-in up wrestlers as long as he has the $$$$$ , NO oversight, who cares right!?!?!??
 

sdvike

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They(F*** st people) are reporting that BabyFaceDavis is no longer on the roster? This is yet another example of WTF is going on!?!?!? Is babyFace still in NitWit Low Lying Swamp Valley????? Where is the kid? Did he leave skool, get cut.......?????? TheGR8 Krailure F-in up wrestlers as long as he has the $$$$$ , NO oversight, who cares right!?!?!??
From what I read (on Facebook so who knows) he got into some trouble again with drinking incident and was removed from the team.
 
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johnstownsteel

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They(F*** st people) are reporting that BabyFaceDavis is no longer on the roster? This is yet another example of WTF is going on!?!?!? Is babyFace still in NitWit Low Lying Swamp Valley????? Where is the kid? Did he leave skool, get cut.......?????? TheGR8 Krailure F-in up wrestlers as long as he has the $$$$$ , NO oversight, who cares right!?!?!??
With Davis, I'm hearing Cael is experimenting with the penal system and how it pertains to NCAA rules.

I'm still shocked Braeden is down with it all to be honest. These damn kids will do anything for that man...
 

sdvike

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Wow, the second they didn’t need him, he got kicked off the team for something he’s done multiple times. What an upstanding guy Carl is.
You're not wrong Chicago. I'm diehard Hawk fan but first thing I thought was how lucky JW is that Hawks didn't snag Shapiro out of the portal. JW would be training at cal poly or something.
 
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Sett1997

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Using religion as an excuse to get more eligibility in a collegiate sport= Scummy
You think these young men are doing that? Pretty bold statement. Did it occur to you that they may actually be fine young men honoring their calling to serve God? So many athletes proclaim their faith. If its not your deal, you have the right to not believe. To insinuate these men are lying about their faith, that's pretty scummy.
 

Reiterate

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From Grok AI:

Can any NCAA athlete take a year off with no penalty to do missionary work? Can you do it for for instance if you are Lutheran or Baptist or Methodist?:

The NCAA has strict rules about how these missions must be conducted. And it is harder for other religions to get that exemption for whatever reason. I think it's because it's more of an integral part of the Mormon faith.






No—not for any kind of missionary work, and not automatically for other denominations.


NCAA rules (Division I and II) provide a specific exception for time spent on an official religious mission. This pauses the five-year eligibility clock so the years do not count against the athlete. The exception has long existed and was retained under the newer age-based eligibility model (roughly five years of competition in a five-year window, with limited pauses). The other pauses are for pregnancy and active-duty military service. ncaa.org


What qualifies as an “official religious mission”


NCAA bylaws define it as a mission established by the religious organization of which the individual is a member that results in the person being unable to attend a collegiate institution during the mission period. The athlete generally cannot participate in organized competition while serving, or the exception does not apply. Documentation from the church is typically required, and the NCAA Eligibility Center administers these exceptions. web3.ncaa.org


It is not limited by name to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormon). In theory, a Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, or other athlete could qualify if their denomination has an equivalent formal, full-time missionary program that:


• Is an official call/assignment from the church,


• Requires full-time service for an extended period (typically a year or more), and


• Makes regular college enrollment impossible during that time.


Practical reality


In practice, the exception is used overwhelmingly by LDS athletes. The LDS Church has a highly structured, standardized full-time missionary program (generally two years for young men, 18 months for young women) that is a common religious expectation and deliberately interrupts college for many young members. Other mainline Protestant groups (Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, etc.) generally do not have an equivalent formal long-term full-time missionary requirement for young adults that precludes college enrollment in the same systematic way. Their typical “mission trips” are short-term (weeks or a few months), voluntary service or outreach projects, and would not meet the NCAA criteria for pausing the eligibility clock.


A random year off for personal faith reasons, a short-term trip, or self-directed service would not qualify. It has to be an official mission from the athlete’s religious organization that prevents college attendance.


In the case of the Penn State wrestlers, the coach’s description of them taking a “religious mission” year (with eligibility paused) aligns with this NCAA exception. It does not require the school or NCAA to identify the specific church, as long as the mission meets the formal criteria.
Im interested to see Msu's reaction to this "grok" guy's opinion.
 

Reiterate

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Unfortunately, this didn't just come about. The parties involved have known about it since mid-summer from my understanding. But all together just a bull **** way of saving a year. But yes, this has been the game plan for a while now, just wasn't made public for whatever reason. Cael doing Cael things
Cael is sending a message to those trying to level the playing field that hes not to be messed with. (5 for 5 new rule). I wonder who suggested the rule change to begin with. He announced it publicly without the question being asked if memory serves. Hes probably still laughing, if hes following this thread, anyway.
 
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Franisdaman

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What a scam



I am sure it's just all a coicindence.

The 3 exemptions that pause the continuous 5 year eligibility clock:
    • Active-Duty Military Service: Time spent serving on active duty in the military pauses the five-year clock.
    • Official Religious Missions: Recognized official religious mission trips pause the clock (provided there is no organized competition during the service).
    • Pregnancy / Maternity Leave: Pregnancy pauses the eligibility period when supported by appropriate medical documentation
 

mcpat

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I am sure it's just all a coicindence.

The 3 exemptions that pause the continuous 5 year eligibility clock:
    • Active-Duty Military Service: Time spent serving on active duty in the military pauses the five-year clock.
    • Official Religious Missions: Recognized official religious mission trips pause the clock (provided there is no organized competition during the service).
    • Pregnancy / Maternity Leave: Pregnancy pauses the eligibility period when supported by appropriate medical documentation
I’m not going to start. What are my options?

1. lose a year of eligibility in the practice room
2. Transfer
3. Enter the military
4. Get pregnant
5. Do a mission for my church

They picked #5. More power to them. We’ll just be sure to have them reach out to Ironbird next time to “show/talk” about their religious beliefs beforehand.
 

JoeBagobagels

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Bro, they aren’t Mormon no matter how much you try to get AI to agree with you.
I'm not necessarily saying they are Mormon, I'm saying it's likely that they are but other religions can qualify if it meet certain criteria.

If you are Mormon, this is a part of something that you have to do between 18 and 25 so that's the most likely answer. But it's not the only answer.

Either way if the NCA is OK with it that means what they're doing is within their rules
I guess we should not be surprised that a team full of fake religious virtue signalers would use a fake religious mission to manipulate the rules.
And you know this how?
 

JoeBagobagels

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You surely understand that even religious folks do not respect using religion as a crutch for their own personal greed/gain. It's not above questioning the good faith and timing.

Either use the mission prior to enrollment- bridge between HS to college or make it count against them if used any other time once enrollment has started. Only then would us fans respect their sacrfice.

Religion loses nothing pulling this stunt. At least if its the military exception they possibly risk their lives for the country. Henckel is certainly no Nile Kinnick or Ted Williams.
So prove it, where is your proof of their motives behind this?
 

JoeBagobagels

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I'm religious and a man of deep faith, so I don't want to criticize or overanalyze anyone answering a call, but man the timing of this interesting - and I think that's where most people are at right now - regardless of their view on faith.

Were these guys enrolled at PSU during this fall semester? If so, then I feel like the clock should be ticking since half the season takes place during the first semester. I get that missions will never line up perfectly with classes and athletics, but I also feel it's gaming the system. We're over a month into official team practices and 2 weeks into formal competition and just now this is being kicked into gear? Okay.

Lastly, I have two big questions that I think are valid:
1. Were they going to start and decided to answer the call anyways?
2. Was it their idea or was it presented to them from the coaching staff?

Personally, I think questions #2 is the bigger and more important question, but unfortunately we'll never get an answer to that.
It doesn't matter . You will never get a satisfactory answer .
 

JoeBagobagels

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How does this affect PSU's 30 man roster (serious question)? Are they down to 28 this year or were they at 32 and are down to 30 now? Is the 30 man roster in effect this year yet? Waiting on Haines would have had bearing on their roster too if he got another year.
I don't think they're on the roster or enrolled at school during this process.
Wow, the second they didn’t need him, he got kicked off the team for something he’s done multiple times. What an upstanding guy Carl is.
So you should kick a kid off the team the first time he drinks?
 

JoeBagobagels

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Im interested to see Msu's reaction to this "grok" guy's opinion.
It's a search engine just like Google AI. I never knew about an exemption for missionary work prior to this incident because I never paid attention to it.

But it seems we have a bunch of sore loser experts here who will assume the worst motives for people who want to do this?
 
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