“SEC coaches sound off on tampering: It's 'a cutthroat business'” (football)

[BobPSU92]

See the link below. From the article:

”DESTIN, Fla. -- While college football coaches bemoan the prevalence of tampering when it comes to the transfer portal, Florida's Billy Napier acknowledged the driving force behind rule-bending in recruiting, telling reporters on Tuesday, "This is a cutthroat business."

Ever since the advent of the transfer portal five years ago, coaches have warned about the possibility of recruiting players on other teams' rosters.

NCAA rules stipulate that players cannot be contacted by coaches until they've officially submitted their names into the portal. But coaches at SEC spring meetings and across the country said that it's happening frequently.

"There's no doubt tampering is real," Napier said. "... And I think that until there's something done about it, I think that you'll continue to see it."

What can be done to stop it, however, is up for debate.

Very few coaches have shown a willingness to call one another out for perceived wrongdoing. Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi has been vocal, questioning the transfer last year of Jordan Addison from the Panthers to USC. To which Napier asked, "What's come of that?"”

SEC coaches on tampering: 'A cutthroat business'

Florida's Billy Napier was among several coaches asked about tampering at the SEC's spring meetings on Tuesday, saying, "It's a cutthroat business."

www.espn.com

All sorts of misunderstandings.

 

[GrimReaper]

See the link below. From the article:

”DESTIN, Fla. -- While college football coaches bemoan the prevalence of tampering when it comes to the transfer portal, Florida's Billy Napier acknowledged the driving force behind rule-bending in recruiting, telling reporters on Tuesday, "This is a cutthroat business."

Ever since the advent of the transfer portal five years ago, coaches have warned about the possibility of recruiting players on other teams' rosters.

NCAA rules stipulate that players cannot be contacted by coaches until they've officially submitted their names into the portal. But coaches at SEC spring meetings and across the country said that it's happening frequently.

"There's no doubt tampering is real," Napier said. "... And I think that until there's something done about it, I think that you'll continue to see it."

What can be done to stop it, however, is up for debate.

Very few coaches have shown a willingness to call one another out for perceived wrongdoing. Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi has been vocal, questioning the transfer last year of Jordan Addison from the Panthers to USC. To which Napier asked, "What's come of that?"”

SEC coaches on tampering: 'A cutthroat business'

Florida's Billy Napier was among several coaches asked about tampering at the SEC's spring meetings on Tuesday, saying, "It's a cutthroat business."

www.espn.com

All sorts of misunderstandings.

 

[psykim]

Well, why have rules if you are not going to enforce them! I sure hope PSU is not contacting players from other teams until they are in the portal. I would be very disappointed if PSU is not following this simple rule. I went undergrad to an honor system college ((UVa) and integrity still counts for a lot to me. Do what is right, not what you can get away with.

 

[ChandlerPearce]

Did anyone truly expect Emmert to do ANYTHING?!?! There has been two leadership changes....Emmert and Warren were total disasters of late....hope the new commissoners fare better.

 

[BobPSU92]

Well, why have rules if you are not going to enforce them! I sure hope PSU is not contacting players from other teams until they are in the portal. I would be very disappointed if PSU is not following this simple rule. I went undergrad to an honor system college ((UVa) and integrity still counts for a lot to me. Do what is right, not what you can get away with.

Honor? Integrity? It’s 2023, not 1823.

 

[BobPSU92]

Did anyone truly expect Emmert to do ANYTHING?!?! There has been two leadership changes....Emmert and Warren were total disasters of late....hope the new commissoners fare better.

One day, we will all look back at emmert as the ncaa’s golden age.

 

[PSUSignore]

See the link below. From the article:

”DESTIN, Fla. -- While college football coaches bemoan the prevalence of tampering when it comes to the transfer portal, Florida's Billy Napier acknowledged the driving force behind rule-bending in recruiting, telling reporters on Tuesday, "This is a cutthroat business."

Ever since the advent of the transfer portal five years ago, coaches have warned about the possibility of recruiting players on other teams' rosters.

NCAA rules stipulate that players cannot be contacted by coaches until they've officially submitted their names into the portal. But coaches at SEC spring meetings and across the country said that it's happening frequently.

"There's no doubt tampering is real," Napier said. "... And I think that until there's something done about it, I think that you'll continue to see it."

What can be done to stop it, however, is up for debate.

Very few coaches have shown a willingness to call one another out for perceived wrongdoing. Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi has been vocal, questioning the transfer last year of Jordan Addison from the Panthers to USC. To which Napier asked, "What's come of that?"”

SEC coaches on tampering: 'A cutthroat business'

Florida's Billy Napier was among several coaches asked about tampering at the SEC's spring meetings on Tuesday, saying, "It's a cutthroat business."

www.espn.com

All sorts of misunderstandings.

Coaches don't want to call other coaches out because they are also tampering themselves.

 

[PSUJam]

There's this too from Drunkwith. This douche will make $6 million next year if he shuts he mouth.

 

[Nits74]

Why worry about it now. College football as we knew it is as dead as a doornail. If we want to see college football as what it was meant to be, we need to go back to its origins. Say, the Ivy League.

 

[Midnighter]

There's this too from Drunkwith. This douche will make $6 million next year if he shuts he mouth.

Yeah, I mean - this is all sports - not just college football. There is no reason for a basketball player to be a billionaire (except that people pay outrageous amounts of money on the sport, so yeah). For profit health care is less exciting.

 

[BobPSU92]

Yeah, I mean - this is all sports - not just college football. There is no reason for a basketball player to be a billionaire (except that people pay outrageous amounts of money on the sport, so yeah). For profit health care is less exciting.

It was bad enough when it was just professional athletes who were making pantloads more than doctors. When “student”-athletes are making more money than doctors, then we’re hopelessly f*cked up.

 

[Midnighter]

It was bad enough when it was just professional athletes who were making pantloads more than doctors. When “student”-athletes are making more money than doctors, then we’re hopelessly f*cked up.

Student-athlete in name only. They’re pros in every other sense of the word.

 

[BobPSU92]

Student-athlete in name only. They’re pros in every other sense of the word.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[PSUJam]

It was bad enough when it was just professional athletes who were making pantloads more than doctors. When “student”-athletes are making more money than doctors, then we’re hopelessly f*cked up.

The irony is the coach that is quoted is set to make 6 million at Mizzou next season. He doesn't "save lives" like his brother in law.

 

[BobPSU92]

The irony is the coach that is quoted is set to make 6 million at Mizzou next season. He doesn't "save lives" like his brother in law.

Maybe the coach goes out of his way to get kids off the streets and save them from gang life. I’m sure he‘s a real mentor.

 

[Midnighter]

Maybe the coach goes out of his way to get kids off the streets and save them from gang life. I’m sure he‘s a real mentor.

Still waiting for Dabo to find a new job…

 

[BobPSU92]

Still waiting for Dabo to find a new job…

Have you been paying attention? The economy is down. It’s tough out there.

 

[nittanyfan333]

One day, we will all look back at emmert as the ncaa’s golden age.

 

[Tom_PSU]

It was bad enough when it was just professional athletes who were making pantloads more than doctors. When “student”-athletes are making more money than doctors, then we’re hopelessly f*cked up.

Student Athletes and Doctors are pretty much the same to me. Both are screwing me. One is helping to destroy society, the other gives me prostate exams.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

Coaches don't want to call other coaches out because they are also tampering themselves.

Head coaches don't know anything....wink, wink. What a member of their staff does has nothing to do with the HC....wink, wink. SEC coaches and Dabo crying about the state of today's game when they perfected the illegal pay for play scheme over decades is incredibly funny to watch. They have lived by the prison honor code of snitches get stitches for so long they don't know which way is up anymore.

 

[ApexLion]

See the link below. From the article:

”DESTIN, Fla. -- While college football coaches bemoan the prevalence of tampering when it comes to the transfer portal, Florida's Billy Napier acknowledged the driving force behind rule-bending in recruiting, telling reporters on Tuesday, "This is a cutthroat business."

Ever since the advent of the transfer portal five years ago, coaches have warned about the possibility of recruiting players on other teams' rosters.

NCAA rules stipulate that players cannot be contacted by coaches until they've officially submitted their names into the portal. But coaches at SEC spring meetings and across the country said that it's happening frequently.

"There's no doubt tampering is real," Napier said. "... And I think that until there's something done about it, I think that you'll continue to see it."

What can be done to stop it, however, is up for debate.

Very few coaches have shown a willingness to call one another out for perceived wrongdoing. Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi has been vocal, questioning the transfer last year of Jordan Addison from the Panthers to USC. To which Napier asked, "What's come of that?"”

SEC coaches on tampering: 'A cutthroat business'

Florida's Billy Napier was among several coaches asked about tampering at the SEC's spring meetings on Tuesday, saying, "It's a cutthroat business."

www.espn.com

All sorts of misunderstandings.

tamperin' pamperin' cry me a Sewanee River. The ole ball coach Bobby never complained - he just got 'em a set of wheels.

 

[J.E.B]

There's this too from Drunkwith. This douche will make $6 million next year if he shuts he mouth.

Dude you are making more than ur brother in law. And ur a coach! Shut up.

 

[PSUFTG]

See the link below. From the article:

”DESTIN, Fla. -- While college football coaches bemoan the prevalence of tampering when it comes to the transfer portal, Florida's Billy Napier acknowledged the driving force behind rule-bending in recruiting, telling reporters on Tuesday, "This is a cutthroat business."

Ever since the advent of the transfer portal five years ago, coaches have warned about the possibility of recruiting players on other teams' rosters.

NCAA rules stipulate that players cannot be contacted by coaches until they've officially submitted their names into the portal. But coaches at SEC spring meetings and across the country said that it's happening frequently.

"There's no doubt tampering is real," Napier said. "... And I think that until there's something done about it, I think that you'll continue to see it."

What can be done to stop it, however, is up for debate.

Very few coaches have shown a willingness to call one another out for perceived wrongdoing. Pittsburgh coach Pat Narduzzi has been vocal, questioning the transfer last year of Jordan Addison from the Panthers to USC. To which Napier asked, "What's come of that?"”

SEC coaches on tampering: 'A cutthroat business'

Florida's Billy Napier was among several coaches asked about tampering at the SEC's spring meetings on Tuesday, saying, "It's a cutthroat business."

www.espn.com

All sorts of misunderstandings.

Let's look at the recipe:

By and large (with very few exceptions):
1) The benefits of cheating - when it comes to recruiting talent or any other form of acquiring talent - are huge. Basically, a lot easier to win more games.
2) There is near zero impediment or penalty for cheating. The NCAA? The Conferences? the University chiefs? LOL
3) There is tremendous pressure on Head Coaches, Assistant Coaches, ADs, etc, to win.
4) If they don't win, those coaches (and the other highly-compensated cogs in the college sports business) are likely to be out of work.
5) The coaches (even assistant coaches) at major football and basketball programs are paid very, very huge chunks of money, so long as they keep their jobs (which usually comes down to how many games they win).
6) Nearly all of those coaches/others reaping huge personal benefits, if they were not holding positions at major football and basketball programs, have very, very limited earning potential/applicable skills wrt other vocations. Miniscule relative to the benefits received in their "college sports" positions. ie, keeping that job in college sports is a lottery ticket every year - for folks without any real discernable value aside from holding a job in college sports (how much would Dabo Swinney make as a maitre d'?)
And there are ten folks waiting in line for every job (all with probably comparable skills) just hoping to get their shot - a shot which can only happen when one of the current chosen ones gets the boot.
7) For the most part, it is not just the people who are supposed to maintain/enforce ethics (the NCAA, university leaders, etc) who don't care about the cheating (as least not nearly as much as they value the winning), but neither do all the other cogs in the system (fans, media, etc)

Mix up all those ingredients into the "Big Money College Athletics" stew, and how could it be the least surprising that rampant cheating goes on - and ethics or integrity are worth less than yesterday's newspaper?

 

[BobPSU92]

Let's look at the recipe:

By and large (with very few exceptions):
1) The benefits of "cheating" (with regard to every form of recruiting / procuring and retaining talent) are significant wrt achieving more wins.
2) The is near zero impediment or penalty for cheating. The NCAA? The Conferences? the University chiefs? LOL
3) There is hugely tremendous pressure on Head Coaches, Assistant Coaches, ADs, etc, to win.
4) If they don't win, those coaches/others are likely to be out of work.
5) The coaches (even assistant coaches) at major football and basketball programs are paid very, very hugely if they can win - and keep their jobs.
6) Nearly all of those coaches/others reaping huge personal benefits, if they were not holding positions at major football and basketball programs, have very, very limited earning potential/applicable skills wrt other vocations. Miniscule relative to the benefits received in their "college sports" positions.
And there are ten folks waiting in line for every job (all with probably comparable skills) just hoping to get their shot - a shot which can only happen when one of the current chosen ones gets the boot.
7) For the most part, it is not just the people who are supposed to maintain/enforce ethics (the NCAA, university leaders, etc) who don't care about the cheating (as least not nearly as much as they value the winning), but neither do all the other cogs in the system (fans, media, etc)

Mix up all those ingredients into the "Big Money College Athletics" stew, and how could it be the least surprising that rampant cheating goes on - and ethics or integrity are worth less than yesterday's newspaper?

The world needs more Joe Paternos.

 

[Tom_PSU]

Let's look at the recipe:

By and large (with very few exceptions):
1) The benefits of "cheating" (with regard to every form of recruiting / procuring and retaining talent) are significant wrt achieving more wins.
2) The is near zero impediment or penalty for cheating. The NCAA? The Conferences? the University chiefs? LOL
3) There is hugely tremendous pressure on Head Coaches, Assistant Coaches, ADs, etc, to win.
4) If they don't win, those coaches/others are likely to be out of work.
5) The coaches (even assistant coaches) at major football and basketball programs are paid very, very hugely if they can win - and keep their jobs.
6) Nearly all of those coaches/others reaping huge personal benefits, if they were not holding positions at major football and basketball programs, have very, very limited earning potential/applicable skills wrt other vocations. Miniscule relative to the benefits received in their "college sports" positions.
And there are ten folks waiting in line for every job (all with probably comparable skills) just hoping to get their shot - a shot which can only happen when one of the current chosen ones gets the boot.
7) For the most part, it is not just the people who are supposed to maintain/enforce ethics (the NCAA, university leaders, etc) who don't care about the cheating (as least not nearly as much as they value the winning), but neither do all the other cogs in the system (fans, media, etc)

Mix up all those ingredients into the "Big Money College Athletics" stew, and how could it be the least surprising that rampant cheating goes on - and ethics or integrity are worth less than yesterday's newspaper?

Well if you examine it from that angle, all the participants are doing an excellent job. Very soon anything illegal or morally corrupt will be accepted. Therefore using inverse logic they will have done a good job in cleaning things up. If everything is acceptable, then nothing can be unacceptable.

 

[GrimReaper]

Well if you examine it from that angle, all the participants are doing an excellent job. Very soon anything illegal or morally corrupt will be accepted. Therefore using inverse logic they will have done a good job in cleaning things up. If everything is acceptable, then nothing can be unacceptable.

What is illegal is the NCAA restricting the earnings capability of college athletes. Don't believe me? Ask Justice Kavanaugh.

 

[Tom_PSU]

What is illegal is the NCAA restricting the earnings capability of college athletes. Don't believe me? Ask Justice Kavanaugh.

Don’t tell me about it, I can’t help you. Tell him to line up four more Supreme Court Justices and you have a winner.

 

[GrimReaper]

Don’t tell me about it, I can’t help you. Tell him to line up four more Supreme Court Justices and you have a winner.

He doesn't have to line up anyone. Precedent has already been established. All someone has to do is bring a case. Unlikely that happens before the entire NCAA regulatory structure collapses on its own.

 

[Tom_PSU]

He doesn't have to line up anyone. Precedent has already been established. All someone has to do is bring a case. Unlikely that happens before the entire NCAA regulatory structure collapses on its own.

I wish it would collapse, but I suspect it won’t. Huge public money making schemes depend on stupid, incompetent and corrupt supervisory agencies for their success and survival. No matter what ensues there’s just too much money floating around (wether players are paid or not) to keep the sharks away. What may follow the NCAA regulatory structure in your scenario sadly isn’t guaranteed to be any better. Sorry for the pessimism.

 

[PSUFTG]

I wish it would collapse, but I suspect it won’t. Huge public money making schemes depend on stupid, incompetent and corrupt supervisory agencies for their success and survival. No matter what ensues there’s just too much money floating around (wether players are paid or not) to keep the sharks away. What may follow the NCAA regulatory structure in your scenario sadly isn’t guaranteed to be any better. Sorry for the pessimism.

You are abundantly justified in being pessimistic on that front, IMO.
Who knows how that evolves? IDK.

That said, as to the finances, the first time someone(s) among the talent pool (players), with standing, get a case before the SCOTUS, saying "See that gigantic pile of money? From TV contracts and the like? We want our part of it." (and it would be a HUGE part of it) - the gig is up.

 

[JakkL]

The loophole is that the player's "people" can be in contact and the NIL people can be in contact. It's just the coaching staff that can't reach out until the enter the portal.