I have a daughter born in 08. I think it's too early to tell if their generation sucks or not.
1 out of 6 millennial men are unemployed or in jail
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I have a daughter born in 08. I think it's too early to tell if their generation sucks or not.
I completely agree with you.
I read an article a while back that actually (and it made sense) blamed the generation that fought in WW1. They started the decline and it's been steady ever since.
I guess it all just seems a bit scarier when your living it rather than hearing or reading about it, like most things of course.
I've never looked into it, but I've heard plenty of people from the boomer generation talk about being the first in their family to go to college. I would think it was a combination of things that made it seem more difficult.
Income vs cost of school
Not near the gov't help for school then vs now
Schools could be more selective back then because they were actual learning institutions and not cash cow businesses like they have become
Dunno for sure, just some thoughts.
I don't have a problem with people whatever the age that can hold a job and take care of themselves. It's the ones who won't and then cry about needing the gov't to support them that pisses me off.
That's an extreme position. That you should not put any blame on the individual themselves but put it solely on who raised them. Extreme positions are dumb and always wrong. Its both the individuals fault, as he has to be responsible for himself at some point, as well as who raised them. Once again, the truth is always in the middle.
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Good parents rear kids that turn out lousy. Lousy parents rear kids that turn out good. There is no foolproof formula that produces good kids. Each person is the product of the choices they make, often in early adulthood. Those choices are often made when society's (not parent's) influence on them is greatest and they are the most naive, having not a clue that this might be a bad decision and that it might lead to horrible results later.
Man it must've been nice to be in my grandparents' generation, when my grandfather moved to Louisville after high school, walked into Greyhound and said "give me a job please" then worked there the rest of his life, supporting a family on one income, until a very comfortable retirement. How do you expect more than a few 25 year olds to have substantial retirement savings when most people don't get a good job without going to college and for a lot of people grad school? Not only is the entrance into the job market delayed 4+ years, the first years are spent paying down student loans.
Plenty of good paying jobs that don't require a 4 year degree, and the massive student loans that come with it. Learn a trade.
Also there are plenty of options to avoid massive amounts of debt if your goal is to get a degree. If people choose not to use any of those options, that's on them.
Thus the phrase: "Those were the good old days." I'm really glad I came of age back then. So many advantages. I really feel for my grandkids and their generation.
That's a whole lot of excuses. As the article said, many millennials are not finding good jobs because they lack the wanted skills and even some basics skills like showing up to work on time, teamwork or putting their phone down for an hour or more. The jobs are out there if you are qualified (a philosophy degree from the University of Phoenix won't help). Also you don't need a graduate degree to find a decent job and most programs are not four years even if you did. If you can't afford college, find scholarships, start off at community college, join the military and let them pay, etc. If college isn't for you, you can apprentice as an electrician, plummer, carpenter, ect. and acquire a skill to support yourself and never take on student loan debt. Once you get a decent job, put 5%-10% of your pay into the company 401k plan or into an IRA if your company doesn't offer one. It's really not that hard to get a job and save for your future.
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Even Gunsmoke and Bonanza are too exciting for my old ticker.
Actually, try: millennials that go to college are coming out making wages that don't even compare to what boomers made that went straight to work from high school.
I don't see much difference in a high school diploma and a college degree, at this point. High school degree means you get a 4-5 year jump on earning income and no student loan debt. Unless you have a professional/specialized degree, it's kind if a waste. Master's degree is the new bachelor's.
I'm a licensed architect and my wife is in grad school so she can teach. MAYBE we'll be solidly middle class someday.
Not so fast.
"So it might come as a surprise that a new study shows the value of a college degree is greater than it has been in nearly half a century, at least when compared to the prospect of not getting a degree. The Pew Research Center has found that the earnings gap between millennials with bachelor’s degrees and those with just a high school diploma is wider than it was for prior generations."... "Among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only."
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...en-young-college-and-high-school-grads-widens
^ right, but the idea is that everyone has them and they've become the new requirement for unrelated jobs.
Yeah. In actuality, I don't think a degree is necessary for a lot of things. However, when I got my Associates, I left college and did a bunch of things and gathered experience with management and corporate jobs. However, I saw many companies where they were pushing out older people and I didn't want to be 50-years-old and not have a BA and get let go so I went back to school and took care of that.
I don't know how important it will be but I gained more skills, knowledge and see it as granting me more opportunities than I would have had without it. Just glancing at job ads, the majority of anything worth a damn requires a Bachelors.
I think there are too many kids that get idiotic degrees and then wonder why they can't get a job. Also, the job market is flooded with people that have degrees but zero work experience. That has to hurt.
Geez, you are oblivious.
1) learn to spell "plumber" if you are going to rip an entire generation.
2) very few people major in liberal arts degrees. I will try to find the data, but for the degrees you are alluding to (philosophy, history, anthropology, art) I remember it being under 10% and actually less people getting these degrees than there were in the 60s and 70s.
3) Fewer and fewer companies are sponsoring retirement programs. I think like 55% of people have access to nothing but IRAs.
You are blaming people for a culture that was set up outside their control. For 30 years, schools brainwashed kids that just getting a degree would make them successful. Now that this is not only not the case, but probably 180 degrees from reality, people want to turn around and blame said generation for these shortcomings. Then act shocked when millennials are pissed that they were sold a bill of goods.
Millennials aren't blameless, but let's not act like their job prospects are even in the same galaxy as their predecessors.
You all need to seriously get bent.
I was gonna go with African American studies courtesy of UNC.
There are plenty of jobs out there crazyqx83. You are always in these threads moaning and bitching. You live in america and have a degree, you have access to more wealth than 99% of the free world. Try living in another country where all it matter is your religion or your family's last name. There is a ton of money out there, and there are millions of rich people out there. Some of them got lucky, some of them had it given to them, but lots of them took it. If you don't make good money as an architect (which has been pretty common knowledge for about the last 25 years for anyone willing to actually research it for 30 minutes before going to school for 5 years for it), then you have ample opportunities and literally decades of years ahead of you to get it and make it happen. No, you are not going to graduate and make six figures, as a matter of fact very very few degrees give you that opportunity, but you have every opportunity in this country to make it happen.
1.) Sorry about the typo. I would rather be a poor typist than a whiny *** who can't take responsibility for my own failings. Each generation has had its tough times.
2.) While you are at looking up the percentages of liberal arts degrees, see how many of your fellow mellenials wasted tens of thousands on a degree from Strayer, University of Phoenix, etc. Anyone who enrolled in those places failed the I.Q. test.
3.) When I entered the workforce in the early 1990's (during a recession- so don't whine about the job market today) traditional pensions were already gone from most employers. Employers of any size then and today offer 401k plans because it doesn't cost them much unless they offer a match. Back then, I managed to put 10% of my annual salary away in my 401k while saving for a down payment on house. Within a few years, I had a decent savings and my own house. You can do it too.
Yea... I agree that we live in one of the better economic environments in the world's history, but we seem eager to flush it down the tubes.
Turnabout is fair play. We always talk about how billion dollar corporations "created" their own wealth, but then conveniently ignore that they too exist in one of the best economic environments ever. Then if they threaten to offshore if taxes increase, people defend it. Like they can just have all of the benefits of this awesome economy but don't have to contribute anything back in the form of taxes. Why do I get gobbled up in taxation and they don't?
The taxes, upon taxes, upon taxes is what kills the middle class. I may make it home with 80% of my paycheck (I am counting medicare, ssi, etc.), but then I'm paying sales tax, property taxes, usage taxes, etc. I'll bet I basically get 55-60% of my paycheck to actually spend. Which basically puts me just ahead of someone drawing a check and living in gubmint housing. Taken care of for life. It's asinine.
And I also think you're overstating how many good jobs there are out there.
Why though? I think I'm about that target age. I just did an overnight firewall project that required me to come BACK into work from 11:30pm until 2:45am. I jumped at that project and am now running on 4 hours of sleep. Why? Simply to learn more and because work ethic goes a far way. Meanwhile, plenty of other "mil-sacks" spent a quarter of their WORK day in the company game room playing Xbox.
That's the difference. Entitlement. They think they deserve the pay, job and benefits. We have 19 year olds in college complaining about the free coffee the company gives them.
I have a decent savings (that always gets chunked by medical bills and car repairs), a meager retirement account and a house.
I went to UK, came out with $15k in debt ($850 current balance), drive a paid off car, etc. You're generalizations pointed towards me are ridiculous.
You can't spell worth ****, come off as kind of a buffoon and lack tact. My point is, that if people like you got ahead 25 years ago, it proves my point about your generation "accidenting" into prosperity.
And give me an absolute ******* beyond break with the early 90s being a recession. I graduated in spring 2007. There's zero ******* comparison.
What do you do?
What the hell do you all do where you:
A) have a company game room.
B) have bosses that aren't jumping the asses of employees that are being intentionally unproductive?
Seems like a case of employers setting up a funhouse environment in the office and then getting passive agressively pissed when employees take advantage of it. Sounds pretty boomerish.
BTW, we have a 21 year old summer intern that bucks all these stereotypes. Gets to work early. Stays on task. Eager to learn. I guess we lucked out, since codgers would have you believe those people don't exist.
Why do I get the feeling maybe 5 millennials have seen GGGR? What a great movie about sales and business. A top10 movie for me.
Work at a software company, where I think the average age is like 32 (And that's WITH a bunch of 50+ers pulling it up). They have taken on the google/facebook approach where they offer incentives to not only pull in talent but keep the user there longer. Meditation/yoga rooms, game rooms, fancy kitchens, etc. I've seen some companies serve beer at work, house ping pong tournaments and more.
It's great in theory, until you realize that at least 25% of workers spend an hour in the game room daily. Then other workers take 1.5 hour blocks to do yoga. (I'd kill to take an hour and a half, 3 days a week, to get a gym workout in..).
Too many workers lineup to play pinball or Fifa and yet everyone's quiet when a new project, sometimes a menial one, needs someone to take the lead...
Work at a software company, where I think the average age is like 32 (And that's WITH a bunch of 50+ers pulling it up). They have taken on the google/facebook approach where they offer incentives to not only pull in talent but keep the user there longer. Meditation/yoga rooms, game rooms, fancy kitchens, etc. I've seen some companies serve beer at work, house ping pong tournaments and more.
It's great in theory, until you realize that at least 25% of workers spend an hour in the game room daily. Then other workers take 1.5 hour blocks to do yoga. (I'd kill to take an hour and a half, 3 days a week, to get a gym workout in..).
Too many workers lineup to play pinball or Fifa and yet everyone's quiet when a new project, sometimes a menial one, needs someone to take the lead...
Ehh, not so sold on that article. Right off the bat the boomers worked and didn't whine for the last 50 years, something the millennials are struggling to do over their first working decade.
The last two points are basically just a victim of age and time frame: Anyone who's 20-30 now will be considered racists and anti-environment (or whatever things we deem important) in 50 years from now. We'll probably all be labeled anti-robot in 2060 as we fight against the first man and robot to bone each other using a physical and virtual hybrid reality.
Saying boomers are racist and don't care about the environment is relative. The baby boomers certainly didn't think much of those at the turn of the century.. barely protecting the factory worker, beating children, etc.
The last two points are basically just a victim of age and time frame: Anyone who's 20-30 now will be considered racists and anti-environment (or whatever things we deem important) in 50 years from now. We'll probably all be labeled anti-robot in 2060 as we fight against the first man and robot to bone each other using a physical and virtual hybrid reality.
Saying boomers are racist and don't care about the environment is relative. The baby boomers certainly didn't think much of those at the turn of the century.. barely protecting the factory worker, beating children, etc.
And you got to say racial slurs ... in public ... without hardcore right-wingers calling you PC for telling them they can't do that anymore!!
I've seen the light. I'm going back to the 50s. Where's Doc Brown?
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