2025 NCAA Championship Session III Thread

Psuproud

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Interesting question. In college, some part of one of the wrestlers must still be inbounds for a TD to be awarded.

The caveat is that the ref is somewhat out of the screen. Kasak was in the danger position, and I'm not sure if the ref's count on that got to 3. If it did, then it was a TD. If not, then PSU should have challenged the call. If you look at the sequence in full screen and slow it down, there is a short time when Kasak's foot is off the mat, and before Seymour spins around and gets his feet inbounds. I'm pretty sure that in college, at least one has to be touching, and they don't have a virtual cylinder on the line (in high school, I know that's the case).
I thought that you had to be completely outside the cylinder and that if you had a body part inside but not on the mat you were still inbounds.
 

Psuproud

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There’s a reason why all these guys are in this tournament and made it to this round. They are all really good. Anything can happen and nothing is guaranteed. We have become very spoiled with unprecedented success.
Losing is one thing but I don't think either wrestled particularly smart matches.
 

Whisker man

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I agree. Im not sure why kasak initiated the scramble at the edge of the mat in the 3rd. I thought he could have cleared and returned to center. Idk it would have ended differently though. He looked shot in the 2nd period
Let me be clear im not beating the kid up. Stuff happens. Hes a better wrestler sick with one arm tied behind his back than i ever was. In hindsight i think playing smart keep away was his best option but wtf do i inow
 
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Tom McAndrew

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I thought that you had to be completely outside the cylinder and that if you had a body part inside but not on the mat you were still inbounds.

I would have to check with friends that are college refs about that. And pretty much all of them are at NCAAs or working other events, so I can't do a quick check with any of them.

In HS, it's not completely outside the cylinder -- it has to be contact with the mat. That doesn't mean that in crazy situations where both guys are off the mat due to rolls, lifts, whatever, they are instantly OOB -- you wait to see if they land in-bounds on the return. But in going for a TD where all supporting points are OOB except one, if that point comes off the mat (again, in HS), then the wrestlers are OOB.
 
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hohmadw1978

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I would have to check with friends that are college refs about that. And pretty much all of them are at NCAAs or working other events, so I can't do a quick check with any of them.

In HS, it's not completely outside the cylinder -- it has to be contact with the mat. That doesn't mean that in crazy situations where both guys are off the mat due to rolls, lifts, whatever, they are instantly OOB -- you wait to see if they land in-bounds on the return. But in going for a TD where all supporting points are OOB except one, if that point comes off the mat (again, in HS), then the wrestlers are OOB.
One would think that if the TD was close, we would have thrown a challenge brick.

I thought the referees call on the TD was appropriate. If we would have challenged it, doubtful it would have been reversed.

Tyler was also out of gas starting in the second period. If he escapes towards the end of the third period, he goes to SV-not sure he would have won.

I was surprised that he did not exhibit more defensive wrestling in the third period.
 

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PSU wrestlers matches in Session IV:

125 Consolation R4: #1 seed Luke Lilledahl vs. #11 seed Nicolar Rivera (Wisconsin)

133 Consolation R4: #8 seed Braeden Davis vs. #11 seed Evan Frost (Iowa St.)

141 Semifinal: #2 seed Beau Bartlett vs. #3 seed Jesse Mendez (Ohio St.)

149 Semifinal: #3 seed Shayne Van Ness vs. #2 seed Ridge Lovett (Nebraska)

157 Consolation R4: #1 seed Tyler Kasak vs. #14 seed Jude Swisher (Penn)

165 Semifinal: #1 seed Mitchell Mesenbrink vs. #12 seed Christopher Minto (Nebraska)

174 Semifinal: #2 seed Levi Haines vs. #3 seed Dean Hamiti (Okla. St.)

184 Semifinal: #1 seed Carter Starocci vs. #4 seed Dustin Plott (Okla St.)

197 Semifinal: #4 seed Josh Barr vs. #1 seed Jacob Cardenas (Michigan)

285 Semifinal: #3 seed Greg Kerkvliet vs. #2 seed Wyatt Hendrickson (Okla. St.)
 

lionlover

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Not a wrestler but how come some guys barely acknowledge the other wrestler after a loss? Seems like a solid handshake with eye contact would be a minimum effort. We practically hug each other in my church softball league.
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lionlover

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There’s a reason why all these guys are in this tournament and made it to this round. They are all really good. Anything can happen and nothing is guaranteed. We have become very spoiled with unprecedented success.
I'm okay with that.
 

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Session III is over, so here are the top 10 in the team scoring race at the end of the Session:

1. PSU - 90.5
2. Nebraska - 65.5
3. Okla. St. - 63.0
4. Iowa - 42.0
5. Northern Iowa - 37.5
6. Ohio St. - 37.0
7. Minnesota - 35.5
8. Illinois - 33.5
9. Cornell - 29.5
10. Michigan - 27.5
 

lionlover

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PSU wrestlers matches in Session IV:

125 Consolation R4: #1 seed Luke Lilledahl vs. #11 seed Nicolar Rivera (Wisconsin)

133 Consolation R4: #8 seed Braeden Davis vs. #11 seed Evan Frost (Iowa St.)

141 Semifinal: #2 seed Beau Bartlett vs. #3 seed Jesse Mendez (Ohio St.)

149 Semifinal: #3 seed Shayne Van Ness vs. #2 seed Ridge Lovett (Nebraska)

157 Consolation R4: #1 seed Tyler Kasak vs. #14 seed Jude Swisher (Penn)

165 Semifinal: #1 seed Mitchell Mesenbrink vs. #12 seed Christopher Minto (Nebraska)

174 Semifinal: #2 seed Levi Haines vs. #3 seed Dean Hamiti (Okla. St.)

184 Semifinal: #1 seed Carter Starocci vs. #4 seed Dustin Plott (Okla St.)

197 Semifinal: #4 seed Josh Barr vs. #1 seed Jacob Cardenas (Michigan)

285 Semifinal: #3 seed Greg Kerkvliet vs. #2 seed Wyatt Hendrickson (Okla. St.)
Damn, those are some tough outs. Looks a lot like a finals event.
 

SurgeOne bOne

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Damn, those are some tough outs. Looks a lot like a finals event.
I know. Tuff. Before the last session started I said 9 wins: grand slam; 8 wins: stand-up double; 7 wins: fielders choice out, runner takes 2nd base; 6 wins: hit into a double-play.
I think we would have had better matchups had Lilledahl and Kasak made it through to the semi’s instead of a couple of the other guys. Don’t like many of the match-ups in semi’s). Besides Messenbrink, I thought Kasak was the most surety for a title, even odds with Starocci (in my pea-brain) Plott & the Minny young fella at CStar’s weight are legit threats.
 
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PSU87

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Session III is over, so here are the top 10 in the team scoring race at the end of the Session:

1. PSU - 90.5
2. Nebraska - 65.5
3. Okla. St. - 63.0
4. Iowa - 42.0
5. Northern Iowa - 37.5
6. Ohio St. - 37.0
7. Minnesota - 35.5
8. Illinois - 33.5
9. Cornell - 29.5
10. Michigan - 27.5
For some reason, can't put my finger on it, I've become a huge UNI fan.
 

SRATH

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Session III is over, so here are the top 10 in the team scoring race at the end of the Session:

1. PSU - 90.5
2. Nebraska - 65.5
3. Okla. St. - 63.0
4. Iowa - 42.0
5. Northern Iowa - 37.5
6. Ohio St. - 37.0
7. Minnesota - 35.5
8. Illinois - 33.5
9. Cornell - 29.5
10. Michigan - 27.5
We had 86.5 last year with 6 into the Semi's.
 
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SleepyLion

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I would have to check with friends that are college refs about that. And pretty much all of them are at NCAAs or working other events, so I can't do a quick check with any of them.

In HS, it's not completely outside the cylinder -- it has to be contact with the mat. That doesn't mean that in crazy situations where both guys are off the mat due to rolls, lifts, whatever, they are instantly OOB -- you wait to see if they land in-bounds on the return. But in going for a TD where all supporting points are OOB except one, if that point comes off the mat (again, in HS), then the wrestlers are OOB.
Contact with the mat is not required for NCAA. In the cylinder is still IB even without contact with the mat.