Help me out stat nerds. Has the third OC been the charm for a still green head coach in such a short time frame? If you aren't a nerd and just want to chime in, help me be optimistic about this transition and what it means moving forward outside of mentioning BOOM.
3 OC's; 4 years
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I don't think MS really wants a OC that will run the fb less than 60-65% of the time...Worried about his precious defense
Unfortunately, I can't answer your question. What I can tell you is that it's not as bad as some on here think. It will probably take more than a year, though
And we will now have 4 Oc's in 5 years.
2012 - Sanders
2013 - Brown
2014 - Brown
2015 - Dawson
2016 - ???
That trend has to stop & it is not a recipe for success.
2012 - Sanders
2013 - Brown
2014 - Brown
2015 - Dawson
2016 - ???
That trend has to stop & it is not a recipe for success.
If I am a OC i am staying as far away from this program as possable!
we don't have an OC yet.
Only two actually until we hire one.....and one of those left for a head coaching position.....an event that was talked about BEFORE he was hired.
Yep, its a turnover rate, and one that opposing recruiting teams will use, but it isn't as outlandish as we can make it to be.
Only two actually until we hire one.....and one of those left for a head coaching position.....an event that was talked about BEFORE he was hired.
Yep, its a turnover rate, and one that opposing recruiting teams will use, but it isn't as outlandish as we can make it to be.
I think Stoops completely understands how big of an issue the turnover is at this critical spot but to me that speaks more to how bad the situation was with Dawson than anything with Stoops. It must have gotten to the point that Stoops would rather try an new OC then he would like to try and rectify any issues that he, or anyone else, had with Dawson.
Maybe Stoops has plans of taking care of the OC position like he did last year with Special Teams. Then we wouldn't have so many OCs in such a short period of time.
All those changes when the problem wasn't the coordinators. The surrounding cast would have been considered a box office flops in Hollywood. Earnest performers but B tier, at best.
Get the players, give them time to mature and a mediocre OC will attain genius, football status. This game is not rocket science.
The point is that Brown left on his own to become a head coach. So to say we've had 3 OC's in 4 years and put that blame on Stoops for not keeping continuity is completely misleading. This coaching staff has been pretty much stable over the last three years with only a couple of coaching changes. Losing Dawson and Towles is addition by subtraction
Ok, this is great to know. 12-24 and a "stable coaching staff", despite needing the third OC in 4 years must be a great position to be in. I originally asked for some optimism given that a new coach (the 3rd in 4 years) will be coming in, not situational explanations as to why the other guys left. No blame on Stoops, I just can't be optimistic about a still green head coach now needing his 3rd OC in 4 years, can you?
1. Completely unfair to count Neil Brown against Stoops. He left UK for a HC job at Troy which is a better job and more $$$
2. I blame Stoops for being tied to this air raid or bust mentality...which is how we ended up with Dawson.
But let's let Stoops pick his best OC this time around and see if he gets it right.
2. I blame Stoops for being tied to this air raid or bust mentality...which is how we ended up with Dawson.
But let's let Stoops pick his best OC this time around and see if he gets it right.
I still think Brown was going somewhere whether it was Troy or something else. No way that Brown lets his reputation as an offensive mind go down with the ship here. It is clear that Stoops is not willing to run a true air raid offense here and trying to tweak it obviously didn't work. Guess we will see how smash mouth works.
This is shades of Bill Curry. Like Stoops he had no vision of what he wanted offensively and as result he changed Offensive Coordinators as often as Stoops. Regrettably, Barnhart put us in a corner by prematurely and erroneously giving Stoops such a over paid contract that will likely keep us from firing Stoops for two more years.
I think it highly unlikely that the mere hiring of another new OC will produce the kind of immediate success that Stoops must have next year to keep the better recruits interested in coming to UK. The schedule is much tougher next year with fewer home games. I've not witnessed any player improvement in Stoops' three years at UK despite having better talent than his predecessor. If he doesn't win 6 games next year, the following year will likely be his last unless Barnhart gets so much heat he has to fire him and pay Stoops 10 plus million not to coach UK.
As others have said, what quality OC would want to step into this mess given the perceived odds at this point that Stoops will not be around but for two more years at the most? Stoops will be on every sportswriter's "hot seat" list of coaches in danger of getting fired in next fall's pre season football publications. I think we are just treading water until we have to changed coaches in a year or two. I hope I'm wrong. I hope he pulls a "Rick Brooks" unforeseen turnaround. I just don't see it happening.
Like it or not - having three OCs in three years is not what one would wish to see. But at the same time, if it's not workIng, we need a AD /HC who are not afraid of making a change. And I'm sorry, Stoops fault, Dawson's fault, the O was not working. So I applaud them in at least taking a chance.
Who is crying? Give me some substance. This post started with a call for optimism. No blame on Stoops, or even Dawson for that matter. The point is, can we move forward quickly enough for Stoops to find any kind of rhythm offensively for his team?
Why, because his first left for a head coaching gig and his second failed? That's not a alarm, that's a bad hire. Guess what, if you hire people you will occaissionally make bad hires.
if NB thought the program was going somewhere he would not have left for Troy - he'd stayed another year or two and land a real HC job. Stoopid has issues dealing w his offense and if you choose not to recognize it then by all means go ahead.
I'm worried that Stoops really doesn't know what kind of offense he wants. It sorta reminds me of Curry's time here. I hope I'm wrong though. I want to see a high octane offense that scores alot of points, I don't care if it is Air Raid or Wishbone, just scoring alot of points.
doesnt it at least beg the Q why didn't he go after Gran last year? if the answer is he wanted Dawson more, it says he misjudged the guy he wanted and is now going after the guy he wanted less.
There is something to be said for continuity, but OTOH staff turnovers at this level are common either by design (Dawson) or accident (Brown). Look around the league and you'll see guys getting better jobs, or getting fired everywhere. Heck Steve Spurrier use to go through DCs like I go through long necks on a Saturday afternoon.
If things aren't working you have to make changes. I don't know all the inns and outs of the Dawson situation but my gut feeling is it may have more to do with interpersonal matters than Xs&Os.
If things aren't working you have to make changes. I don't know all the inns and outs of the Dawson situation but my gut feeling is it may have more to do with interpersonal matters than Xs&Os.
Whether it was stoops or Dawson the issue is his offense looked really bad.Not only bad but the whole team was in disarray.. Some quit and had bad attitudes against the staff.. For the life of me I can not understand why some think changing coaches will make it worse!!! What do you think would happen next year?? You have players quiting on your oc for whatever reason, somethings got to change..this is why I think stoops needs to get a oc who will demand respect and not allow a Player to divide the team. Someone with experience and who understands how to control athletes and get them to band together to win ect. Dawson may be good but didn't work because of the inexperience on the staff..
Stoops needs to assess his strength and weakness and address that in his staff hired.. IMO one is discipline..
Curry V.2
The similarities are scary.
We're on our third OC in four years and our fourth offense (Due to differences in QB and personnel, Brown 1 was different than Brown 2)
On field performance isn't much different.
Look back, even the coaches comments are the same
"We had a really good week of practice (prior to getting beat)
"We're going to go out and work harder ..."
"We're going to get tougher"
I just hope there is a different outcome ...
The similarities are scary.
We're on our third OC in four years and our fourth offense (Due to differences in QB and personnel, Brown 1 was different than Brown 2)
On field performance isn't much different.
Look back, even the coaches comments are the same
"We had a really good week of practice (prior to getting beat)
"We're going to go out and work harder ..."
"We're going to get tougher"
I just hope there is a different outcome ...
Yeah I mean why would he keep hiring Air Raid OC's when he could easily find an OC that runs the ball alot. Makes a whole lot of sense. This is the kind of intelligent insights from the peanut gallery. If Stoops wanted to run the ball that much he would have gotten an OC that runs the ball that much. But evidently now 3 times he went with a OC that throws more than they run.
I'm sure Coach Stoops had a LOT of input on play calling. If things aren't working, he should input...and scream, and shout, and scream some more.
This thing about Dawson being a sacrificial lamb is borderline outta hand.
A guy making five hundred large a year guaranteed that could go to the press and the school and supposedly have players PROVE he is being over-ridden on the sideline has cause for a wrongful termination suit.
It was a bad hire. I've made em. You don't see it coming. The first OC got a chance to move up to a bigger chair....which could lead to an even bigger chair. That happens too. Matter of fact, I think I remember Brown being a late hire because he was interviewing for a HC slot the same time he was interviewing here....and he stated he felt he wasn't quite ready then.
So one promotion, one bad hire. Now we hope this one is a good hire.
This thing about Dawson being a sacrificial lamb is borderline outta hand.
A guy making five hundred large a year guaranteed that could go to the press and the school and supposedly have players PROVE he is being over-ridden on the sideline has cause for a wrongful termination suit.
It was a bad hire. I've made em. You don't see it coming. The first OC got a chance to move up to a bigger chair....which could lead to an even bigger chair. That happens too. Matter of fact, I think I remember Brown being a late hire because he was interviewing for a HC slot the same time he was interviewing here....and he stated he felt he wasn't quite ready then.
So one promotion, one bad hire. Now we hope this one is a good hire.
Here's my opinion. Hope I'm wrong but the situation we're in happens often and 99% of the time the head coach ends up with a pink slip 1-2 years later. Stoops' asinine buyout money ends in 2 years so his coaching changes are par for the course. Make changes to look like you're going to fix things and try to hold onto the fan base. Going into his fourth year as a head coach Stoops shouldn't be rolling the dice AGAIN. These coaching changes remind me of Joker and Kragthorpe. These guys aren't leaving for better jobs, they're getting fired.