30 for 30 on the 1986 Mets tonight and tomorrow

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As a 20 year old Yankee fan, who grew up in NY metro area, we hated the Mets. Unlikeable. Darryl, Dykstra, Hojo, Backman, Carter. But, they had some good dudes, Doc, Hernandez, etc. Cocaine ruined what could have been a great run. We called it, 1986- The Year of the Dynasty.
 
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I always loved how this series is the background and cause of the downfall of the Bad Lieutenant.
 
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Phenomenally talented with a singular drive to win, the 1986 New York Mets are entirely worthy of the multi-part “30 for 30” treatment. Yet the team also showed how volatile a championship team can be, perhaps best demonstrated by the failure to establish a championship dynasty. (That troubling fall probably doesn’t get enough attention here, despite the four-hour run time.)

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So far I’m loving it, wasn’t a Mets fan, actually despised them, but it brings back so many great memories.
The “ This week in Baseball” music at the end of the second episode brought a wave of emotion.
The Cards/Mets rivalry in the Mid 80’s was intense.
Just a different time…
 
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I recorded this and I'm looking forward to watching it.

I really, really wish that ESPN would do a 30 For 30 on the 1990 Reds. They weren't as dysfunctional as the '86 Mets, but they were still a mess, and yet they still managed to go wire-to-wire and sweep the A's in the World Series.
 
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One other thing about this post season. The Angels had the Red Sox beat in the ALCS and Dave Henderson hit a home run off Donnie Moore to win it. They said Donnie Moore never got over the depression and killed himself.
 

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That might be my favorite 30 for 30 mainly because I followed it very closely at the time. I moved there in spring of 84 and immediately picked them as my team because like all decent people, I hated the Yankees. I wish I still cared about baseball but the strike of 94 was bad enough but the response to it of trying to get the fans back by selling their souls out to the home run. Sitting back and waiting for the 3 run Homer was OK when it was just Earl Weaver doing it. The game got ruined when the entire league was given incentive to do it.
 

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MLB Network Presents did do a story on the 1990 Reds. Not sure how dysfunctional that team was, it was later on that Dibble fought Pinella or threw the ball in the stands
 
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So far I’m loving it, wasn’t a Mets fan, actually despised them, but it brings back so many great memories.
The “ This week in Baseball” music at the end of the second episode brought a wave of emotion.
The Cards/Mets rivalry in the Mid 80’s was intense.
Just a different time…
Same here. I'm through two episodes, and it's a great watch so far. I grew up a Cardinals fan and the mid 80s through the early 90s was my peak baseball fandom. After the strike I never really got back into it, so this brought back a lot of good memories.
 

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Ending was weak, as the story said, they were expected to win more. They raced through all the issues that led to their downfall which was just as interesting.
 

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Ending was weak, as the story said, they were expected to win more. They raced through all the issues that led to their downfall which was just as interesting..
The quote I remember from the show was that they had 4 main stars, 2 of which were old and starting to decline (Carter and Hernandez) and the other 2 were junkies (Gooden and Strawberry). Ray Knight was old and his replacement was already on the roster in Howard Johnson. HoJo actually played a big part on that team. He spelled Ray Knight a lot to keep him healthy and he also played shortstop every 5th day when Sid Fernandez pitched. Sid was a high ball pitcher and got a ton of fly ball outs so Davey Johnson would play Johnson at short instead of Rafael Santana (ex Redbird) to get an extra bat in the lineup. Lenny Dykstra was always a head case. Mookie Wilson was old. Bobby Ojeda was old. Sid Fernandez looked to be in better shape for the interviews on this show than he did back then. Getting rid of Kevin Mitchell was their biggest mistake although Kevin McReynolds was a pretty good ball player, it still turned out to be the wrong move.
Did it freak anyone else out that Keith Hernandez, who is not a color announcer for the Mets, had his cat with him while being interviewed. I would think that someone that has been an announcer for 20 years wouldn't need an emotional support animal.
Far and away the most annoying part of the show was Howard Bryant claiming racism for George Foster being released when he was hitting .227 at the time. I guess he doesn't understand that he hurts his cause by doing that but I digress.
It wasn't hyperbole when that said that game 6 of the NLCS could be the greatest game ever played. I remember watching it and it was gut wrenching.
I wish I could get back into baseball like I was back then.
Oh yeah, I got a hit of a future major league pitcher in high school. Dave Fleming. I remember turning on the college world series and he was the starting pitcher for Georgia in the championship game and I remembered saying I played against a Dave Fleming in high school. Then they showed where he was from and I was like Holy Crap, it's him. I don't even remember him being the best pitcher on his team because they had one guy that threw a lot harder than him. Speed isn't everything in pitching. We actually won the game too which was surprising because they were one of the top teams in the state and we were very far from that.
 
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That might be my favorite 30 for 30 mainly because I followed it very closely at the time. I moved there in spring of 84 and immediately picked them as my team because like all decent people, I hated the Yankees. I wish I still cared about baseball but the strike of 94 was bad enough but the response to it of trying to get the fans back by selling their souls out to the home run. Sitting back and waiting for the 3 run Homer was OK when it was just Earl Weaver doing it. The game got ruined when the entire league was given incentive to do it.
It was one of my favorites as well, episode 2 was my favorite of the 4.

I remember at the time not understanding why they didn't resign Knight, he was the WS MVP. My 12 year old brain couldn't grasp that.
 

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Yeah, KMAC never delivered. Dykstra's quote said it all.
Hernandez with the cat was unnerving. That said, his quote to Orosco is mythic.
Forgot Mitchell was a rookie.
 
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Yeah, KMAC never delivered. Dykstra's quote said it all.
Hernandez with the cat was unnerving. That said, his quote to Orosco is mythic.
Forgot Mitchell was a rookie.
One of the main differences between the 85 and 86 teams was that they traded a pinch hitter that couldn't play any positions (Rusty Staub) for one that could play 6 positions in Mitchell.
 

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Just finished watching this, it was so good. Even if you aren't a Mets fan but if you are a baseball fan and remember that time this is a great watch. Loved every second of it.
 
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