58-0 was too much. Miami fires Al Golden.
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I don't see the Hurricane making a comeback on the big scene of college football anytime soon. Florida State isn't going anywhere and Florida is building themselves up again. Miami also lacks the support (or so it seems) by boosters. Their facilities just don't attract the young talent.
Miami has never had a consistent local support. When they were winning consistently, they would only sell out home games when the opponent was a big name. Just like most big city teams with a local NFL team, their local support was pretty average or worse. They did show up for the OB's when they got to play a home game for the national championship.
But that wasn't the norm. When they last got blown out, the lower deck was virtually empty in the fourth quarter.
But that wasn't the norm. When they last got blown out, the lower deck was virtually empty in the fourth quarter.
There's plenty of HS talent in Florida to go around. If they hire the right guy, involve the former players, and make a commitment to improving their facilities, they'll be back.
SIDR, one of the problems with that is that if the alum players return too much in the old tradition, they might end up with the death penalty. They were lucky not to get it last time. Miami might have tradition, but it's pretty old.
I also think that the two 30 For 30 episodes about their program, designed to highlight and help them actually may have done just the opposite. I wondered about that. They're being lauded in both for their thumbing their noses at some pretty serious charges. I'm not sure that the thug mentality that they emphasized more than a decade ago, is as good a sell in 2015. Could be wrong about that. But we always hear how important it is to sell mom in recruiting. Don't think the thug image helps in that as much as it hurts..
I also think that the two 30 For 30 episodes about their program, designed to highlight and help them actually may have done just the opposite. I wondered about that. They're being lauded in both for their thumbing their noses at some pretty serious charges. I'm not sure that the thug mentality that they emphasized more than a decade ago, is as good a sell in 2015. Could be wrong about that. But we always hear how important it is to sell mom in recruiting. Don't think the thug image helps in that as much as it hurts..
I've only seen one of the 30 for 30s, so I'll defer to you on that. I thought their previous trouble with the NCAA was caused by Shapiro, who was not a former player but an agent, I believe.
As to the thug life image, I agree it may not be a selling point, but UM is in Dade County...from what I've heard, the campus is pretty much ghetto central. But hey, so is USCs and they recruit fine.
I still believe with the right coach, it's a sleeping giant, waiting to be awakened.
As to the thug life image, I agree it may not be a selling point, but UM is in Dade County...from what I've heard, the campus is pretty much ghetto central. But hey, so is USCs and they recruit fine.
I still believe with the right coach, it's a sleeping giant, waiting to be awakened.
I would definitely agree with this. Most kids that grow up in that kind of lifestyle/neighborhood I believe are trying to get OUT of that kind of situation. Why would any good kid want to go to college and play football at a program that is known for encouraging that kind of crap. Most kids see using their football talent as a way to get themselves, and even their family out of that and improving their situations.
Idle thought: Wonder how the Clemson coach feels about getting a member of the coaching fraternity fired?
Yeah, I know, this was building for some time, but 58-0 was the final nail in the coffin.
I noticed in our last two games Bob went out of his way to hold down the score, even though we scored a lot on both teams. He called off the dogs late in the third quarter against KSU and in the fourth against Taco Tech. (Not Bob's fault that Tech couldn't stop the second and third teams from running in the final score.)
Yeah, I know, this was building for some time, but 58-0 was the final nail in the coffin.
I noticed in our last two games Bob went out of his way to hold down the score, even though we scored a lot on both teams. He called off the dogs late in the third quarter against KSU and in the fourth against Taco Tech. (Not Bob's fault that Tech couldn't stop the second and third teams from running in the final score.)
I heard or read somewhere this week, that Golden was not given all the facts regarding their probation.
The problems ran much deeper than he was led to believe.
If the "U" isn't willing to come clean with their head coach, they probably won't have a chance to be relevant again.
The problems ran much deeper than he was led to believe.
If the "U" isn't willing to come clean with their head coach, they probably won't have a chance to be relevant again.
My guess is that he knew what the probation was specifically, but he didn't know the specifics of how Miami was going to be held to account. The university was going to put a lid on the buying of talent and in Miami, you cannot recruit well enough to win big otherwise. There is a lot of talent in south Florida, but to get them to Coral Gables, they need incentives to stay. And that dried up.
I'm thinking with the right coach, Miami could be relevant again in a very short period of time. As pointed our earlier, there is a ton of talent in south Florida and they were successful for a solid and even dominant for at least twenty years under five different coaches - Schnelly, Johnson, Erickson, Davis and Coker. If they start winning again, the fans will return and the money will come in for capital improvements.
Personally, I detest Miami more than texass, USC and Notre Dame combined and hope they never return to their glory days. I would not be upset if they became a "stepping stone" program for coaches on their way to bigger and better programs.
F the U
Personally, I detest Miami more than texass, USC and Notre Dame combined and hope they never return to their glory days. I would not be upset if they became a "stepping stone" program for coaches on their way to bigger and better programs.
F the U