A bourbon thread
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One of my favorites - so smooth for being 114 proof. Dangerous stuff! Cheers!
They should be ashamed for using the name of one of God’s most dedicated servants in such a sinful way.
I think it was the perfect name. He was a drunk.
For the money (and availability), Angel’s Envy is excellent.
He watched the world flood. I think that allows you to tie one on.I think it was the perfect name. He was a drunk.
I've definitely formed a great taste for Old Fashions over the past year. Much appreciation.
Good stuff, bottled at Willett. They also do Rowan’s Creek. The 2 cats roaming around the property up there are named Noah and Rowan.
Noah's Mill is pretty good. Relation to Rowan's Creek? Very similar bottles.
IDK if it's a New York thing. But Woodford was always the most expensive Bourbon until recently.. seems almost all the others are the same price now (some even more).. Makers, Bulleit, Knob, and anything a bit more boutique.
IDK if it's a New York thing. But Woodford was always the most expensive Bourbon until recently.. seems almost all the others are the same price now (some even more).. Makers, Bulleit, Knob, and anything a bit more boutique.
NM and RC are both KBD (Willett) products, hence the similarity.
That's news to them!
Lots of misinformation out there about what can be called bourbon and what cannot.
Bourbon should be 51% corn mash bill and be barreled in new charred white oak, only... not finished in port wine barrels.That's news to them!
Who gives a **** though, this brown juice is distinct, complex and delicious.
Blanton's when you can find it is still pretty damn good bourbon. As always, IMO.
That's news to them!
Agree. Probably not bourbon. Still good
Currently, any bourbon that is barrel finished is defined by law as a "specialty whiskey."
But that's because they don't have guidelines on what to do with it. The TTB forces it to be labeled as whatever style it is "(i.e. "Kentucky Straight Bourbon") Finished in _________" all the same type, font, and color on the primary label.
There is a pending proposal that will define it as it's own sub-type of whichever whiskey it is (bourbon, rye, etc).
But that's because they don't have guidelines on what to do with it. The TTB forces it to be labeled as whatever style it is "(i.e. "Kentucky Straight Bourbon") Finished in _________" all the same type, font, and color on the primary label.
There is a pending proposal that will define it as it's own sub-type of whichever whiskey it is (bourbon, rye, etc).
That is absolutely true and causing me some issues right now.
To hell with Johnny Law, I’m ready to get back to the Wild West.
To hell with Johnny Law, I’m ready to get back to the Wild West.
I say, don’t worry how it’s classified... make it distinct and delicious - first. Get your ‘expression’ correct and complex.
We really want them to create a distinct classification for it with defined labeling guidelines. As it stands, we can't list the age on the bottle of our first batch even though it spent 11 years in the first barrel because "specialty whiskeys" are not allowed age statements. A big red "11" would look great on our labels.
Who’s label?
Ha! Never mind I know who this is. You actually helped me and didn’t know it. We have a common friend in Owen.
Sounds like your stuff flew off the shelves!
Ha! Never mind I know who this is. You actually helped me and didn’t know it. We have a common friend in Owen.
Sounds like your stuff flew off the shelves!
Nice! Owen was at our launch and tasted some blends with us early on.
It's selling really well right now. Second allocations went out this week in Louisville. We're doing a tasting at Westport Whiskey & Wine tonight. We sold out to distributors right away, so hopefully it continues to fly off shelves and they'll come back for batch 2 this fall.
It's selling really well right now. Second allocations went out this week in Louisville. We're doing a tasting at Westport Whiskey & Wine tonight. We sold out to distributors right away, so hopefully it continues to fly off shelves and they'll come back for batch 2 this fall.
So I’m confused about not being able to put “age” on your bottle?
I see it on almost all bottles, is it because you finished it different than barrel strength or mixed something that made it not Straight Bourbon?
These rules/laws dealing with bourbon are insane.
I see it on almost all bottles, is it because you finished it different than barrel strength or mixed something that made it not Straight Bourbon?
These rules/laws dealing with bourbon are insane.
Hey Bill,
Have you heard anything about BT moving Weller 12 into The Antique collection? My buddy said they are considering the move after 19. Any news on when this bourbon shortage will slow down? ( Elmer T, blantons, Weller, CHT exc..)
Just grabbed a bottle of new four roses small batch select. Looking forward to opening it up. Cheers
Have you heard anything about BT moving Weller 12 into The Antique collection? My buddy said they are considering the move after 19. Any news on when this bourbon shortage will slow down? ( Elmer T, blantons, Weller, CHT exc..)
Just grabbed a bottle of new four roses small batch select. Looking forward to opening it up. Cheers
I believe Ive read they have changed the wording from " white oak barrels" to just " oak barrels" . I'm guessing because of the shortage of white oaks.
Although I don't know any that have gone away from white oak barrels.
Sorry, been away from the interwebs for a bit.
BT already has William Larue Weller in the Antique Collection, and Weller 12 doesn't have the panache for that. Plus, it's already highly allocated. Bottom line, it's probably just a rumor.
It's never been limited to white oak. But red oak sucks for spirits so it's moot. More people assume it has to be American oak, but that's not true either, as french oak has been used over the years, and BT even used, or is planning to use, Mongolian oak for a release as an experiment.
There is a current proposed rule change that would standardize barrel sizes to a minimum of around 50 gallons (American standard barrels are 53 gallons), but I think that's idiotic.
If they're THAT concerned about barrel sizes, just have producer list on the label the size of the barrel if it was under 50 gallons.
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All the rules and regulations around Bourbon and its labeling are a consumer protection issue. The point is to make sure consumers know what's in the bottle with no dirty tricks. All in all, bourbon and whiskey shaped consumer protections laws in america, and today's regulations are a natural reflection of that.
There's great read on that from a local author (and Cat fan), Brian Haara: Bourbon Justice: How Whiskey Law Shaped America.
As far as the age statement on barrel finished bourbon: when you barrel finish it, it's no longer just a bourbon or a straight bourbon, it's a bourbon finished in ______. Since that's not, at this moment, a specific type/style classification, it just gets thrown into the "Specialty whiskey" categorization from a labeling perspective. There are no age statements allowed on specialty whiskeys because there are a thousand different things that can be specialty whiskeys, and no real way for the consumer to know what the age statement refers to. It could be the whiskey, some other flavoring agent, the age of the spirit in the finishing barrel, the initial aging + the finishing time, etc.
The TTB has proposed a new type and classification for finished whiskey that is "Whatever type of whiskey - (i.e. Kentucky Straight Bourbon)" "Finished in _______" Under this, they propose to define the age as the youngest whiskey that went into the finished barrels, allowing that age statement on the bottle.
Ironically, even under today's rules, if you don't want "bourbon" on the label at all, you can just call it "Whiskey" and do whatever you want in terms of used cooperage.
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I may know how I helped you and didn't know it. Guess you needed the barrel sample from Owen, right?
Shouldn't be too hard for you to get the label approval. We submitted ours at the start of the gov't shutdown. Even then, we got approval within a week or two of the govt reopening, and had to re-submit after a demanded change, and that only took 36 hours. it's usually pretty straight forward.
Nice!
I'm sure you're all set, but let me know if you need anything. We just went through that whole start-up process, so we've probably dealt with most everything at least once now. And let me know when you can share some info on your brand.
I have been enjoying a bunch of funky whiskeys. Particularly:
HighWire New Southern Revival Madeira Cask Finished Bourbon
Michter’s American
Burning Chair
Hillrock
Blood Oath Pact #5
I bought a bottle of HW-NSR Jimmy Red Corn, but I’m saving it...
Anyone tried?
HighWire New Southern Revival Madeira Cask Finished Bourbon
Michter’s American
Burning Chair
Hillrock
Blood Oath Pact #5
I bought a bottle of HW-NSR Jimmy Red Corn, but I’m saving it...
Anyone tried?