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IronMike57

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Who do you think will be the top 15-20 conference scorers this season? How many guys will average 20 ppg? Your thoughts gentlemen.

I see Ky Bowman leading the league with Maye also averaging 20. Perhaps Battle as well.
 
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dukehokie

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I don’t know man. Maye may be goofy and all of that, but the kid has enough skill to ward off high profile recruits and have Roy entrust him with his program. Remember he was a 4 star recruit by some services. He chose to go to UNC off scholarship.

Twenty per game is tough due to balance and pace. Since 2009-2010 only 9 men have scored 20 a game (Nolan Smith, Terrell Stoglin, Cat Barber, Erick Green, Marvin Bagley, Jerome Robinson, Luke Kennard, TJ Warren, and Grayson Allen). That’s 9 guys in 8 years. It’s a tough road to hoe.

This season, certain teams are going to need guys to score and score a bunch. Every team has to have a score leader, here’s who seems to fit that mold

BC - Ky Bowman
Clemson - Shelton Mitchell
Duke - Barrett, Williamson, or Reddish
FSU - M.J. Walker or Mann
Georgia Tech - Alvarado
Louisville - King, Cunningham or Perry
UNC - Maye
NC St - Bryce or Dorn
ND - Gibbs or Pflueger
Miami - Johnson, Huell, or Lykes
Pitt - Terrell Brown
Syracuse - Battle
UVA - Guy or Hunter
VT - Robinson or Alexander- Walker
Wake - Sarr or Childress

Of those guys Bowman, Battle, one of that Duke trio, Brown, Maye or Mitchell all have the best chance to hit 20 due to pace and/or need.

Regardless, the ACC is a super tough conference which should get 7-9 in the tourney barring injuries.
 
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dukedevilz

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Wouldn't be surprised to see TJ Gibbs lead the league in scoring... Notre Dame lost a bunch of high-quality seniors, and they also score a lot. He will carry the load for Notre Dame, no quesiton. But it's hard to bet against Battle, especially when he averages close to 40 minutes a game.

Tyus Battle, Syracuse: 21.2
TJ Gibbs, Notre Dame: 20.3
RJ Barrett, Duke: 19.6
Ky Bowman, Boston College: 18.8
Marcquiese Reed, Clemson: 17.9
Luke Maye, UNC: 17.4
Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech: 17.3
Zion Williamson, Duke: 17.1
CJ Bryce, NC State: 16.8
Nassir Little, UNC: 16.6
VJ King, Louisville: 16.3
Oshae Brissett, Syracuse: 16.1
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, VT: 15.5
Torin Dorn, NC State: 15.0
Cam Reddish, Duke: 14.8
Kyle Guy, Virignia: 14.6
Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: 14.5
Zach Johnson, Miami: 14.4
Terrance Mann, FSU: 14.2
Justin Robinson, VT: 14.1
Frank Howard, Syracuse: 14.0
Malik Ellison, Pitt: 13.9
Dewan Huell, Miami: 13.7
Phil Cofer, FSU: 13.6
Cam Johnson, UNC: 13.5
Jaylen Hoard, Wake: 13.4
DeAndre Hunter, UVA: 13.4
Trey McGowens, Pitt: 13.2
Kerry Blackshear, VT: 13.1
Robby Carmody, Notre Dame: 13.0
 
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dukedevilz said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see TJ Gibbs lead the league in scoring... Notre Dame lost a bunch of high-quality seniors, and they also score a lot. He will carry the load for Notre Dame, no quesiton. But it's hard to bet against Battle, especially when he averages close to 40 minutes a game.

Tyus Battle, Syracuse: 21.2
TJ Gibbs, Notre Dame: 20.3
RJ Barrett, Duke: 19.6
Ky Bowman, Boston College: 18.8
Marcquiese Reed, Clemson: 17.9
Luke Maye, UNC: 17.4
Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech: 17.3
Zion Williamson, Duke: 17.1
CJ Bryce, NC State: 16.8
Nassir Little, UNC: 16.6
VJ King, Louisville: 16.3
Oshae Brissett, Syracuse: 16.1
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, VT: 15.5
Torin Dorn, NC State: 15.0
Cam Reddish, Duke: 14.8
Kyle Guy, Virignia: 14.6
Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: 14.5
Zach Johnson, Miami: 14.4
Terrance Mann, FSU: 14.2
Justin Robinson, VT: 14.1
Frank Howard, Syracuse: 14.0
Malik Ellison, Pitt: 13.9
Dewan Huell, Miami: 13.7
Phil Cofer, FSU: 13.6
Cam Johnson, UNC: 13.5
Jaylen Hoard, Wake: 13.4
DeAndre Hunter, UVA: 13.4
Trey McGowens, Pitt: 13.2
Kerry Blackshear, VT: 13.1
Robby Carmody, Notre Dame: 13.0
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Man, you really put some thought into that.

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Torin Dorn, NC State: 15.0
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Dear god,...that guy is still around?
 
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Terror Beard said:
Man, you really put some thought into that.



Dear god,...that guy is still around?
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Yep. Torin Dorn is still there. And watch out for NC State. I honestly think they have one of the better backcourts in the country. They return 3 starters + 6 eligible transfers. They will be dangerous. Take a peak...

 
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dukedevilz said:
Yep. Torin Dorn is still there. And watch out for NC State. I honestly think they have one of the better backcourts in the country. They return 3 starters + 6 eligible transfers. They will be dangerous. Take a peak...

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If people talk about you "finally having a good team" every year, they're bound to be right eventually.
 
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dukedevilz

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Terror Beard said:
If people talk about you "finally having a good team" every year, they're bound to be right eventually.
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Meh. I'm not here to pump NC State, just here to call things as I see them. This is a ridiculously deep backcout. They have 3 legitimate point guards that could start on most tournament teams in Johnson, Beverly, and Harris... They have two bonafide scorers in Bryce and Lockett. They have two great all-around players in Dorn and Daniels. This backcourt is not to be taken lightly. No doubt they'll be playing 1 big and 4 guards... and with all of the capable ball-handlers, they'll be able to find the open man with regularity... Down side for them will be interior scoring. Manny Bates is out for the season. Wyatt Walker was injured last year. If they can get somewhat consistent scoring down low, they could be a top 10 team. JMO.
 
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dukehokie said:
I don’t know man. Maye may be goofy and all of that, but the kid has enough skill to ward off high profile recruits and have Roy entrust him with his program. Remember he was a 4 star recruit by some services. He chose to go to UNC off scholarship.

Twenty per game is tough due to balance and pace. Since 2009-2010 only 9 men have scored 20 a game (Nolan Smith, Terrell Stoglin, Cat Barber, Erick Green, Marvin Bagley, Jerome Robinson, Luke Kennard, TJ Warren, and Grayson Allen). That’s 9 guys in 8 years. It’s a tough road to hoe.

This season, certain teams are going to need guys to score and score a bunch. Every team has to have a score leader, here’s who seems to fit that mold

BC - Ky Bowman
Clemson - Shelton Mitchell
Duke - Barrett, Williamson, or Reddish
FSU - M.J. Walker or Mann
Georgia Tech - Alvarado
Louisville - King, Cunningham or Perry
UNC - Maye
NC St - Bryce or Dorn
ND - Gibbs or Pflueger
Miami - Johnson, Huell, or Lykes
Pitt - Terrell Brown
Syracuse - Battle
UVA - Guy or Hunter
VT - Robinson or Alexander- Walker
Wake - Sarr or Childress

Of those guys Bowman, Battle, one of that Duke trio, Brown, Maye or Mitchell all have the best chance to hit 20 due to pace and/or need.

Regardless, the ACC is a super tough conference which should get 7-9 in the tourney barring injuries.
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Great list. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

I think that Wake will be led by Brown or Hoard. I think that Sarr is a year away.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see TJ Gibbs lead the league in scoring... Notre Dame lost a bunch of high-quality seniors, and they also score a lot. He will carry the load for Notre Dame, no quesiton. But it's hard to bet against Battle, especially when he averages close to 40 minutes a game.

Tyus Battle, Syracuse: 21.2
TJ Gibbs, Notre Dame: 20.3
RJ Barrett, Duke: 19.6
Ky Bowman, Boston College: 18.8
Marcquiese Reed, Clemson: 17.9
Luke Maye, UNC: 17.4
Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech: 17.3
Zion Williamson, Duke: 17.1
CJ Bryce, NC State: 16.8
Nassir Little, UNC: 16.6
VJ King, Louisville: 16.3
Oshae Brissett, Syracuse: 16.1
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, VT: 15.5
Torin Dorn, NC State: 15.0
Cam Reddish, Duke: 14.8
Kyle Guy, Virignia: 14.6
Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: 14.5
Zach Johnson, Miami: 14.4
Terrance Mann, FSU: 14.2
Justin Robinson, VT: 14.1
Frank Howard, Syracuse: 14.0
Malik Ellison, Pitt: 13.9
Dewan Huell, Miami: 13.7
Phil Cofer, FSU: 13.6
Cam Johnson, UNC: 13.5
Jaylen Hoard, Wake: 13.4
DeAndre Hunter, UVA: 13.4
Trey McGowens, Pitt: 13.2
Kerry Blackshear, VT: 13.1
Robby Carmody, Notre Dame: 13.0
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Another great list.
I think that Chatman from BC and Chaundee Brown from Wake will be around 15.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Meh. I'm not here to pump NC State, just here to call things as I see them. This is a ridiculously deep backcout. They have 3 legitimate point guards that could start on most tournament teams in Johnson, Beverly, and Harris... They have two bonafide scorers in Bryce and Lockett. They have two great all-around players in Dorn and Daniels. This backcourt is not to be taken lightly. No doubt they'll be playing 1 big and 4 guards... and with all of the capable ball-handlers, they'll be able to find the open man with regularity... Down side for them will be interior scoring. Manny Bates is out for the season. Wyatt Walker was injured last year. If they can get somewhat consistent scoring down low, they could be a top 10 team. JMO.
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I’m not chastising you as much as I am NCSU. They’ve had plenty of talent and experience in the past and they never threaten. That’s all.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Meh. I'm not here to pump NC State, just here to call things as I see them. This is a ridiculously deep backcout. They have 3 legitimate point guards that could start on most tournament teams in Johnson, Beverly, and Harris... They have two bonafide scorers in Bryce and Lockett. They have two great all-around players in Dorn and Daniels. This backcourt is not to be taken lightly. No doubt they'll be playing 1 big and 4 guards... and with all of the capable ball-handlers, they'll be able to find the open man with regularity... Down side for them will be interior scoring. Manny Bates is out for the season. Wyatt Walker was injured last year. If they can get somewhat consistent scoring down low, they could be a top 10 team. JMO.
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How valuable is having multiple PGs? Really? JWill and CDu won a title (Shane had a lot to do with that), but JWill was more of a SG than PG, so..... Ditto Tyus (PG) and Quinn (more than a little SG).
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And great leadership on those teams helped smooth out any problems (Shane and Quinn). Multiple guys that expect to direct the action can backfire.
 
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Little will average 25 ppg a game if hof coach roy williams will let him. big fluke can put up 25 ppg So look for 10 players if hof coach roy williams wants him to. cam williams can score 25 ppg if coach roy williams decides he wants him to. But we all know tha hof coach roy williams feels like all players on the team are equal and should contribute equally. Another college basketball innovation from unc. So I feel like there will be about the top 10 rotation players averaging about 12 points a game. That should about do it. 120 ppg. :p
 
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dukedevilz

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Terror Beard said:
I’m not chastising you as much as I am NCSU. They’ve had plenty of talent and experience in the past and they never threaten. That’s all.
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I just think they have really talented guards. They return 3 starter's from last year's NCAA Tournament team. And they're bringing in 4 talented guards/wings via the transfer market. CJ Bryce and Devon Daniels will both start, IMO.

PatrickYates said:
How valuable is having multiple PGs? Really? JWill and CDu won a title (Shane had a lot to do with that), but JWill was more of a SG than PG, so..... Ditto Tyus (PG) and Quinn (more than a little SG).
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And great leadership on those teams helped smooth out any problems (Shane and Quinn). Multiple guys that expect to direct the action can backfire.
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Villanova had Ryan Arcidiacono and Jalen Brunson in 2016

UConn had Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier in 2011, and Napier/Boatwright in 2014

Having two point guards doesn't necessarily make things better. But I like the idea of having multiple capable ball-handlers that can handle pressure and find the open shooter. NC State has 5 guys on the team that averaged at least 3 assists in their last season of basketball. How often does that happen? FWIW, Markell Johnson led the nation with 10.2 assists per 40 minutes. I can just see this team shredding defenses and constantly finding wide-open spaces on the floor through penetration and kick-outs.

I've never understood the Jason Williams is more of a SG argument. The guy has the 2nd highest assist average in Duke history! Being a point-guard is kind of like being a spread-offense/option quarterback - you simply have to make the right reads. If there is an opening, you make the play yourself. I hate the idea of the point guard simply being someone who is a pass-first type player.

Now back to NC State. Blake Harris won't see major playing time, IMO. Maybe 10-15 minutes. I think Devon Daniels and CJ Bryce will both merit close to 30 minutes a game, which means Beverly, the #2 point guard, probably won't be starting either. I see Markell Johnson, CJ Bryce, Devon Daniels, Torin Dorn, and Wyatt Walker being the starting 5 with Beverly & Funderburk (both guys started off at Ohio State) being the top guys off the bench.... Is this State team a national title contender? I wouldn't go that far. But they are talented - and they are dangerous. Beating State won't come easy. JMO.
 
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dukedevilz

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Hammertime57 said:
Another great list.
I think that Chatman from BC and Chaundee Brown from Wake will be around 15.
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Yeah, I think both are possible, actually. I compiled my list fairly quickly... Brown was a highly rated and Wake lost a lot of guys, so he'll probably be a relatively high-volume shooter. Chatman was already averaging around 13, so getting a few more buckets with Jerome Robinson out of the picture certainly wouldn't be unreasonable... Fun fact about Chatman: He actually came to Boston College as a graduate student with 3 years of eligibility. Never heard of that before. Often times you get grad student-athletes with 2 years left (ala Cam Johnson at UNC), but never seen someone graduate from one school with 3 more years of eligibility.
 
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dukiejay

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My pick would probably be Tyus Battle. Possibly Ky Bowman.

Luke Maye is good. I expect him to average mid-teens when it comes to scoring. IMO, UNC just has more balance this season than what they had last season. I don't think Maye will be forced to score as much.

For us, I'd pick Barrett around 18 per game, with the potential for Zion and Cam to both be in that 13 to 16 per game average.
 
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dukiejay said:
My pick would probably be Tyus Battle. Possibly Ky Bowman.

Luke Maye is good. I expect him to average mid-teens when it comes to scoring. IMO, UNC just has more balance this season than what they had last season. I don't think Maye will be forced to score as much.

For us, I'd pick Barrett around 18 per game, with the potential for Zion and Cam to both be in that 13 to 16 per game average.
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I’d go with Battle as well. Dude will get as many shots as he can handle every night. I could see him at something like 22ppg. He will probably take a ton of threees every night.

As for Duke i see it being similar to 2010 when we had a three man scoring machine and everyone else contributed along the way. I see Barrett leading the way around 19 a game and if Cam is healthy he and Zion will both be right around that 15-17 range. Perhaps Alex can crack double digits but outside of that, i see everyone else being singles.
 
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Twenty per game is tough due to balance and pace. Since 2009-2010 only 9 men have scored 20 a game (Nolan Smith, Terrell Stoglin, Cat Barber, Erick Green, Marvin Bagley, Jerome Robinson, Luke Kennard, TJ Warren, and Grayson Allen).
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Impressive that nearly half are Duke players.
 
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What Would Jesus Do? said:
Impressive that nearly half are Duke players.
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It also shows a little bit of a lack of balance. Believe me, on those Duke teams, the scoring averages outside of the leader weren’t exceptional minus last season. We’ve lacked the K standard of having 2-3 guys who can “go get it.” His best teams have that option. This year, even last year we had that option.
 
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dukehokie said:
It also shows a little bit of a lack of balance. Believe me, on those Duke teams, the scoring averages outside of the leader weren’t exceptional minus last season. We’ve lacked the K standard of having 2-3 guys who can “go get it.” His best teams have that option. This year, even last year we had that option.
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Also, Coach K leaves his starters in up by 50 with 5 minutes to go in a game!
 
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dukedevilz said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see TJ Gibbs lead the league in scoring... Notre Dame lost a bunch of high-quality seniors, and they also score a lot. He will carry the load for Notre Dame, no quesiton. But it's hard to bet against Battle, especially when he averages close to 40 minutes a game.

Tyus Battle, Syracuse: 21.2
TJ Gibbs, Notre Dame: 20.3
RJ Barrett, Duke: 19.6
Ky Bowman, Boston College: 18.8
Marcquiese Reed, Clemson: 17.9
Luke Maye, UNC: 17.4
Jose Alvarado, Georgia Tech: 17.3
Zion Williamson, Duke: 17.1
CJ Bryce, NC State: 16.8
Nassir Little, UNC: 16.6
VJ King, Louisville: 16.3
Oshae Brissett, Syracuse: 16.1
Nickeil Alexander-Walker, VT: 15.5
Torin Dorn, NC State: 15.0
Cam Reddish, Duke: 14.8
Kyle Guy, Virignia: 14.6
Shelton Mitchell, Clemson: 14.5
Zach Johnson, Miami: 14.4
Terrance Mann, FSU: 14.2
Justin Robinson, VT: 14.1
Frank Howard, Syracuse: 14.0
Malik Ellison, Pitt: 13.9
Dewan Huell, Miami: 13.7
Phil Cofer, FSU: 13.6
Cam Johnson, UNC: 13.5
Jaylen Hoard, Wake: 13.4
DeAndre Hunter, UVA: 13.4
Trey McGowens, Pitt: 13.2
Kerry Blackshear, VT: 13.1
Robby Carmody, Notre Dame: 13.0
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Don't forget Ty Jerome of UVA.
 
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dukedevilz said:
Under Bennett, UVA has never had more than 2 players average more than 13 ppg. So I'm going to say Guy and Hunter.. Jerome would probably score 14-15 ppg for most ACC teams, though.
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This may be the year for that to change. I read that Jerome tore it up at the
CP3 Elite Guard camp this summer. He impressed a few NBA scouts and he was supposedly the best shooter in camp. Breakout year is a possibility.
 
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Hammertime57 said:
This may be the year for that to change. I read that Jerome tore it up at the
CP3 Elite Guard camp this summer. He impressed a few NBA scouts and he was supposedly the best shooter in camp. Breakout year is a possibility.
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Still unless losing to the 16 seed was an epiphany, Bennett’s pace is predicated on keeping games in the 50’s and 60’s. Meaning UVA’s leading scorer will probably have 13-14 ppg. They’ll be efficient though, especially Jerome.
 
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i do not believe Battle has the all around scoring accuman to average 20 . Crap as a team they will probably be in the high 60s. Do you think he will be 1/3 of the teams scoring, more like 17
 
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dukedevilz said:
Yep. Torin Dorn is still there. And watch out for NC State. I honestly think they have one of the better backcourts in the country. They return 3 starters + 6 eligible transfers. They will be dangerous. Take a peak...

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This, we of all people should not be sleeping on the pack.
 
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