According to a tweet from Jeff Hoover the new state budget gives state employees a raise except teachers.....

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teachers are state employees.
Could be way off on this but I’ll give it a try… I teach but not in Kentucky. I am a state employee but different districts have different salary schedules and are paid by their individual district. I would assume it is the same in KY???
 

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If Andy wanted it, it wasn’t going to happen. Thats their prerogative being duly elected House and Senate members. Brought to you by the same folks who hate cannabis but promote bourbon and who hate gambling but promote … gambling on horses. ohwell.gif

My pay is good. Can’t say the same for other counties though, because I haven’t looked. I’d imagine some counties would be well served by higher pay that would attract teachers to their schools.

Was glad to see that social workers get a raise and that full day K passed. We already have it but I guess money that was being used for it can be allocated somewhere else.
 
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Districts can give teacher's raises on their own accord, but the state has a right to MANDATE teacher raises if they so desire, and it is up to the districts to fund those mandates, IIRC.

Districts are also free to set their own salary schedules for both certified (teachers) and classified (non-teaching) postitions.
 

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I have a lot of friends who work for the state, so I just read the Conference Committee report budget that was passed to see what it actually says …. a couple of observations:

1. to provide context… executive branch state employees haven’t been provided a raise for about 12 years, one year was a negative salary adjustment ….so 8% in the first year of the biennium, while a start, is still way behind where it should have been ….

2. Teachers have received raises via their local district in most recent years and I would assume that those local jurisdictions will provide raises again since the upcoming biennium provides an increase in education appropriation ….so it’s up to the local jurisdiction to determine the amount of salary increase …

3. according to the Conference Committee reported budget, the 2nd year of the biennium doesn’t provide for a 12% raise, it indicates that it is the intent of the General Assembly to provide a salary increment, contingent on the completion of a classification and compensation report … but stops short of saying what that specific percent increase might be.
 
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Considering the product that teachers are turning out year after year. They are already overpaid. The average teacher salary in Kentucky being well over $50.00 dollars an hour & turning out kids that that are so uneducated that they couldn't tell you what states that border Kentucky.
 
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Considering the product that teachers are turning out year after year. They are already overpaid. The average teacher salary in Kentucky being well over $50.00 dollars an hour & turning out kids that that are so uneducated that they couldn't tell you what states that border Kentucky.
Sounds like your problem isn't with the teachers but the curriculum they are being required to teach. My wife and daughter are both teachers and they teach the core content they are required to teach. It seems the curriculum they are required to teach is quite different than what I was taught. While I disagree with the core content it doesn't diminish the job any of them do with what they are given to work with. With that said there are good and bad teachers just like any other profession. I work in finance and we have some great employees at my company and others who I wonder how they even find their way to work everyday.
 
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Matt Jones also tweeted that there is a 90 Million dollar appropriation for an "athletic village" at U of L and 6 Million to replace the seats at Cardinal Stadium. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Considering the product that teachers are turning out year after year. They are already overpaid. The average teacher salary in Kentucky being well over $50.00 dollars an hour & turning out kids that that are so uneducated that they couldn't tell you what states that border Kentucky.
Talk about ignorant. You made up the $50 an hour just to piss on teachers. Average pay is maybe half that.
 

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Sounds like your problem isn't with the teachers but the curriculum they are being required to teach. My wife and daughter are both teachers and they teach the core content they are required to teach. It seems the curriculum they are required to teach is quite different than what I was taught. While I disagree with the core content it doesn't diminish the job any of them do with what they are given to work with. With that said there are good and bad teachers just like any other profession. I work in finance and we have some great employees at my company and others who I wonder how they even find their way to work everyday.
I've also never seen a profession where the solution to improving employee performance or hiring better employees was to pay them less.

Would be like saying Calipari is being overpaid for his performance, so lets cut his pay. What do you think that's going to accomplish?

Unless someone is tied down to a certain area for whatever reason, the best are generally going to go to where they can be paid the most. You cut their pay or don't give them raises (which is in effect a pay cut) and they're just going to eventually leave for somewhere that pays more.
 
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I assumed that he made that comment to poke at the fact that teachers only work a portion of the yr.
They also are contracted to work a certain number of days. Most choose to spread that over all 12 months. So no they are not actually paid days they don’t work.
 
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Oh, I guess with COVID being over for 2 months it’s now back to the “teachers are so underpaid, they need a raise!!” Annual narrative? Cool.
Teachers spend more time with your kid that you probably do M-F. By the way do you feel underpaid? I would guess 95% of workers feel underpaid.
 

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And they frequently have to work outside of contracted hours as well
My wife’s hours are 7:15-3:30. She’s usually there before 7 and never leaves before 4:30. And most nights it’s later because of staff meetings, parent meetings, answering emails, ect. Most nights after dinner she works on something. Sundays she does lesson plans for the week.
 
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Oh, I guess with COVID being over for 2 months it’s now back to the “teachers are so underpaid, they need a raise!!” Annual narrative? Cool.
a post about teachers or education can only mean one thing....that Ron Mehico will come complaining about teachers, education and school systems. You know you could always start your own private school where you can hire who you want, pay them what you want and make them teach what you want because apparently you are an expert.
 
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My wife’s hours are 7:15-3:30. She’s usually there before 7 and never leaves before 4:30. And most nights it’s later because of staff meetings, parent meetings, answering emails, ect. Most nights after dinner she works on something. Sundays she does lesson plans for the week.
People who think teachers walk out the door the last day of school and don't come back until the first day of school just show their lack of knowledge when it comes to teaching. They will spend 15-20 days during summer break doing PD, taking down and getting their classrooms ready for the first day of school, etc. They also don't see the nights and weekends spent grading papers, planning lessons and doing various other after school activities that is done with no overtime pay. To be honest my wife works more hours than I do yearly compared to my 8-4 job and the sad thing is I make more than she does even though she has a masters degree and I only have a high school education.
 

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People who think teachers walk out the door the last day of school and don't come back until the first day of school just show their lack of knowledge when it comes to teaching. They will spend 15-20 days during summer break doing PD, taking down and getting their classrooms ready for the first day of school, etc. They also don't see the nights and weekends spent grading papers, planning lessons and doing various other after school activities that is done with no overtime pay. To be honest my wife works more hours than I do yearly compared to my 8-4 job and the sad thing is I make more than she does even though she has a masters degree and I only have a high school education.
When the year ends she spends a few days packing up her room. They clean, paint, wax the floors during the summer so everything has to be packed up and put in one corner. The have training/CE days during the summer. Before school starts she spends several days setting her room up, getting everything perfect for open houses. I’m not trying to make her out to be the greatest thing going, but she teaches because she loves it. When students stop by to see her that she had years ago it makes her day. All of you bitching should wish your child could have a teacher that cares about them on that level.
 

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Public school teachers are state employees
Nope. Hired & fired by the district, not the state. And the leaders of the district that are in charge of the hiring & firing are elected locally & don't report to Dandy's people.
 

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Teachers spend more time with your kid that you probably do M-F. By the way do you feel underpaid? I would guess 95% of workers feel underpaid.

I own a small business. My pay is directly tied to how much money I generate and how much I work. It varies from year to year.


a post about teachers or education can only mean one thing....that Ron Mehico will come complaining about teachers, education and school systems. You know you could always start your own private school where you can hire who you want, pay them what you want and make them teach what you want because apparently you are an expert.

I enrolled my kids in private school this year, so all good 😊

I get it - you guys are married to teachers. It’s a biased conversation and you guys can’t be rational about it. However this is the only place in society I can complain about teachers without my life being ruined, so I will. One of the most entitled professions in the world, and COVID was disappointingly eye-opening.
 

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I own a small business. My pay is directly tied to how much money I generate and how much I work. It varies from year to year.




I enrolled my kids in private school this year, so all good 😊

I get it - you guys are married to teachers. It’s a biased conversation and you guys can’t be rational about it. However this is the only place in society I can complain about teachers without my life being ruined, so I will. One of the most entitled professions in the world, and COVID was disappointingly eye-opening.
He ain’t lying
 
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I own a small business. My pay is directly tied to how much money I generate and how much I work. It varies from year to year.




I enrolled my kids in private school this year, so all good 😊

I get it - you guys are married to teachers. It’s a biased conversation and you guys can’t be rational about it. However this is the only place in society I can complain about teachers without my life being ruined, so I will. One of the most entitled professions in the world, and COVID was disappointingly eye-opening.
Yes I may have a biased opinion but at least it's an informed opinion not just blowing hot air about something I don't entirely know about. If you think teachers are the most entitled profession in the world maybe you should check out actors, musicians, politicians, athletes, SEO's of major corporations and many others.
 
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and without teachers who educated you where would you be and what would you be doing? Also yes I may have a biased but at least it's an informed opinion not just blowing hot air about something I don't entirely know about.

There were lots of teachers I liked and lots I didn’t. Ultimately I like to think I created my own success with great guidance from my parents. I’m sure your wife is an excellent teacher. I’m speaking about the profession as a whole and what I feel are shortcomings. The last 3 years have been very disappointing, and I feel there should be a better self awareness as opposed to constant complaining and annual cries for more money.
 
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I'd be more than OK to give teachers a 30k raise on two conditions:

1. No more Tenure. You suck at your job, you're out. Just like the rest of us.
2. You need to STFU about how bad you have it. It's absolutely insulting to listen to teachers complain during the summer while they sit by the pool and I'm leaving on a Monday for a 45-50hr work week.
 
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I'm a teacher. Do I think we need to be paid more? Yes. In my opinion, though, it's completely a choice for teachers to work past contract hours. I did it for many years and it sucked. Coached, sponsored clubs, brought stuff home to grade, the whole nine. A couple of years ago I decided that this sucks too much to keep doing (almost left teaching). I made a conscious choice to not take anything home and stopped coaching. I don't feel any extra burden during the school day - I just bust it to get everything done (as I sit here on CatPaw) and am able to leave everything at work.

My wife makes double the salary and also works past her contract hours. Even takes PTO and still does stuff. It's not like teachers are the only ones.
 

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There were lots of teachers I liked and lots I didn’t. Ultimately I like to think I created my own success with great guidance from my parents. I’m sure your wife is an excellent teacher. I’m speaking about the profession as a whole and what I feel are shortcomings. The last 3 years have been very disappointing, and I feel there should be a better self awareness as opposed to constant complaining and annual cries for more money.
That’s great you had good, involved parents. But you know what. Many kids don’t. I could tell you stories that would make you cry like a baby. Some kids are so ignored and mistreated at home. The teachers, especially in grade school, play a huge role in not only educating but helping with self esteem and making them feel important.