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Pygmy*Sasquatch said:
Definitely some questions of character with a lot of Self's players. Kind of sad it's not surprising.
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It really is. This case seems a little different as it involved drinking and consent. His team mate said he seen her being active in seducing him, but they must have had something else to convict him. Seems like a bad thing all the way around but you have to be extremely careful these days. I have not been able to find anything related to the case the than basic information on the conviction.

I tell my son that if you get with a girl, especially one you don’t know or have never met to make sure you are 100% she’s ok with whatever you do(always but extreme caution here) and to never get in a situation involving drugs or alcohol. If I was a rich athlete I wouldn’t even try to get with a chick at a party. Asking for trouble.
 
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*Fox2Monk* said:
It really is. This case seems a little different as it involved drinking and consent. His team mate said he seen her being active in seducing him, but they must have had something else to convict him. Seems like a bad thing all the way around but you have to be extremely careful these days. I have not been able to find anything related to the case the than basic information on the conviction.

I tell my son that if you get with a girl, especially one you don’t know or have never met to make sure you are 100% she’s ok with whatever you do(always but extreme caution here) and to never get in a situation involving drugs or alcohol. If I was a rich athlete I wouldn’t even try to get with a chick at a party. Asking for trouble.
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The level of intoxication kind of makes things unclear. It would be hard to make a call unless there's something else like you said. I've only read the article you linked and the NYT article and didn't see any hint of that in those articles.

Eight years is a lot of time.
 
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Pygmy*Sasquatch said:
The level of intoxication kind of makes things unclear. It would be hard to make a call unless there's something else like you said. I've only read the article you linked and the NYT article and didn't see any hint of that in those articles.

Eight years is a lot of time.
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They have a new law where that’s the minimum In the state on those charges. You can’t serve less.
 
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I’m confused. Is this yet another new case or a sentencing from an existing Kansas depravity. With them, it’s hard to keep track. Coeds would be well advised to transfer away from that back alley university.
 
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kybassfan said:
I’m confused. Is this yet another new case or a sentencing from an existing Kansas depravity. With them, it’s hard to keep track. Coeds would be well advised to transfer away from that back alley university.
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It’s an older charge the trial just ended. It happened in 2021 I believe.
 
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Let's review the bidding when in comes to the Bill Self regime in Kansas -- just on the topic of brutalizing and raping women, not the long list of assorted other crimes and misdemeanors.

* There was Sherron Collins, charged with sexual assault back in 2008, and sued by his victim in a case that settled.

* Josh Jackson has been involved in multiple allegations of abusing and raping women in Kansas and after he left.

* LaGerald Vick was charged with Sexual assault.

* Carlton Bragg was charged with beating up his teenaged girlfriend among other act so vile even Bill Self couldn't stomach him.

* Five Kansas basketball players were interviewed by police in the case of a 16-year-old girl who said she was raped in the players dorm.

* Despite all that, Arterio Morris was recruited by Self AFTER he was kicked off the team in Texas for sexual assault - and then he was charged with rape at Kansas.

* Silvio DeSousa was basically a deranged violent beast, from clubbing opponents with chairs on the court to knocking out an eye of someone in a bar.

* And now the charges against Ben McLemore.

That's not a coincidence, or a couple bad apples. That's a legacy of a program that actively sought out players that other coaches were repulsed by. And these are just the cases that got widespread coverage in the media. People who have been around the program during the Self era know that the atmosphere around the team has constantly been set by violent, women abusing miscreants.
 
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Anon1714181029 said:
That’s awful. Apparently he wasn’t wealthy enough to get away with it.
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Well, he’s made around $50 million in career earnings. That’s counting his overseas money.
So, I think he probably had great lawyers. Maybe he was guilty?
 
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Vek96 said:
Well, he’s made around $50 million in career earnings. That’s counting his overseas money.
So, I think he probably had great lawyers. Maybe he was guilty?
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I’m not talking about rich, I’m talking about wealth. Of course he’s guilty but what does that have to do with going to prison in America?
 
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