All on CCC

[xxxbobxxx]

First, in the bonus, should have fouled coming out of time out. Second, after fvcking that up, should have called time out over half court and set up a play. These are things that are coached.

I loved this game. Loved the come back and take over. But the last plays were all on CCC. Not about making shots, about making strategy. They had all the momentum.

Unless this team dances, send CCC packing. Love Lowery’s D.

 

[ballerog711]

Boston Celtics coach does not call time out in those situations.

I guess you forget the missed free throws, missed 80-90 percent shots throughout the game. 50-50 balls the players did not get.

If they do t go to the dance all the coaching staff leaves and most of the players with them. Then what do you nave?

 

[GatoLouco]

There was no poise in the last couple of minutes, period. The only reason we are up is a bank shot. Disappointing after fighting so hard to get back in a game that was not going well for us.

 

[CSCatFan1]

There was no poise in the last couple of minutes, period. The only reason we are up is a bank shot. Disappointing after fighting so hard to get back in a game that was not going well for us.

Bank shots go both ways. Spencer had one as well.

 

[ballerog711]

Lots of plays make up a game we all remember the last one. For me it was the bounce of the ball at half court. MN gets that, game over, he missed and they hit the shot.

But what if he let's the Rutgers guy get the ball and they defend and get the ball back,

Beran had a couple of huge non box outs where Rutgers got the rebound and scored.

 

[Secho99]

And how do we lose out on Pat Spencer’s brother. Correct me if I’m wrong, both wore the 10. If so, must be pretty close. Could have filled one of those empty schollies nicely.

Was he going to get 30 minutes a game at NU? That's what he's getting at Rutgers. He's really good, but there's no way CC was going to be able to promise him that kind of role.

 

[Secho99]

I rewatched the possession where Spencer hit the winning 3. Good call by Rutgers to go with a high PNR to pull Nicholson away from the hoop and force Matt to make the right read (he didn't). The screen wasn't good, Boo easily got around it and had Mulcahy handled but Matt got caught in no man's land where he wasn't trapping Mulcahy OR guarding Omoruyi. That forced Chase to dive back to the paint to cut off a pass to Omoruyi, leaving Spencer wide open.

 

[SimpsonElmwood]

They knew what we’d do defensively and executed perfectly.

 

[NUCat320]

I rewatched the possession where Spencer hit the winning 3. Good call by Rutgers to go with a high PNR to pull Nicholson away from the hoop and force Matt to make the right read (he didn't). The screen wasn't good, Boo easily got around it and had Mulcahy handled but Matt got caught in no man's land where he wasn't trapping Mulcahy OR guarding Omoruyi. That forced Chase to dive back to the paint to cut off a pass to Omoruyi, leaving Spencer wide open.

I posted my thoughts in the game thread. Roper should’ve cut to the post, but Audige made the move when Roper didn’t.

First, in the bonus, should have fouled coming out of time out. Second, after fvcking that up, should have called time out over half court and set up a play. These are things that are coached.

NU should’ve fouled intentionally with a two-point lead? Weird.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Boston Celtics coach does not call time out in those situations.

I guess you forget the missed free throws, missed 80-90 percent shots throughout the game. 50-50 balls the players did not get.

If they do t go to the dance all the coaching staff leaves and most of the players with them. Then what do you nave?

Yes - guys predictably don’t hit those. The center? Roper? Maybe you expect everyone to hit 100%?

I called two specific instances that MIGHT have made a difference.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Lots of plays make up a game we all remember the last one. For me it was the bounce of the ball at half court. MN gets that, game over, he missed and they hit the shot.

But what if he let's the Rutgers guy get the ball and they defend and get the ball back,

Beran had a couple of huge non box outs where Rutgers got the rebound and scored.

MN had a great game. Things not in the box score. That toss around that went around into the three was awesome. The haters just hating. MN is a legit B1G starter. Not star. But B1G starter. Yet, last year he wasn’t even worth garbage time…. #CCC

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Was he going to get 30 minutes a game at NU? That's what he's getting at Rutgers. He's really good, but there's no way CC was going to be able to promise him that kind of role.

1. Do you know that as the promise?
2. Berry - Roper - G — I can find him minutes from this roster. His brother showed the family gene. Cam was all BB. Yup, even if it cost me Roper, I take Cam. And it would not have cost me Roper.

 

[Secho99]

I posted my thoughts in the game thread. Roper should’ve cut to the post, but Audige made the move when Roper didn’t.

Yeah, I see that now. Better to leave McConnell open than Spencer. But Chase did what he had to do there.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

I rewatched the possession where Spencer hit the winning 3. Good call by Rutgers to go with a high PNR to pull Nicholson away from the hoop and force Matt to make the right read (he didn't). The screen wasn't good, Boo easily got around it and had Mulcahy handled but Matt got caught in no man's land where he wasn't trapping Mulcahy OR guarding Omoruyi. That forced Chase to dive back to the paint to cut off a pass to Omoruyi, leaving Spencer wide open.

Foul on the ground before shooting happens.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

I posted my thoughts in the game thread. Roper should’ve cut to the post, but Audige made the move when Roper didn’t.



NU should’ve fouled intentionally with a two-point lead? Weird.

Non intentional intentional. They are one and one. Trap, force and foul. Weird? Maybe. After watching foul-athons to finish 99.9% of games in my life - this is where it works. Game for best case, force up to two shots, get ball back no worse than tie.

 

[lunker35]

It’s my fault everyone. I’m 0-2 in person this year.

 

[GatoLouco]

It’s my fault everyone. I’m 0-2 in person this year.

But if you don’t go who’s gonna ***** at the refereeing???

 

[Secho99]

1. Do you know that as the promise?
2. Berry - Roper - G — I can find him minutes from this roster. His brother showed the family gene. Cam was all BB. Yup, even if it cost me Roper, I take Cam. And it would not have cost me Roper.

Obviously I don't know anything about what was promised, but if you're Cam and you see there's 2 senior guards at NU who play 30+ minutes are you rolling the dice that you're getting time? Rutgers had to fill a huge hole left by Geo Baker (who played 34 minutes a game last year). Even if CC tells Cam he'd find minutes for him it wouldn't be as clear a role.

 

[GatoLouco]

Boston Celtics coach does not call time out in those situations.

I never saw any data on this. It’s not just one coach, multiple believe in the “don’t let the defense set” approach. But I think that’s a pro thing. Players are much more experienced and have been there a lot more. I think in college it’s rare to see a coach not take the timeout.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Obviously I don't know anything about what was promised, but if you're Cam and you see there's 2 senior guards at NU who play 30+ minutes are you rolling the dice that you're getting time? Rutgers had to fill a huge hole left by Geo Baker (who played 34 minutes a game last year). Even if CC tells Cam he'd find minutes for him it wouldn't be as clear a role.

What was the picture like for Pat? The bro whose number I wear.

 

[lunker35]

But if you don’t go who’s gonna ***** at the refereeing???

Not bad tonight for once. Look it’s a new me.

 

[cedricmelons]

Obviously I don't know anything about what was promised, but if you're Cam and you see there's 2 senior guards at NU who play 30+ minutes are you rolling the dice that you're getting time? Rutgers had to fill a huge hole left by Geo Baker (who played 34 minutes a game last year). Even if CC tells Cam he'd find minutes for him it wouldn't be as clear a role.

And why would Cam pick NU who just had a horrible season, put CCC in a lame duck situation, and lost their best player to the portal over Rutgers who made the tournament?

 

[GatoLouco]

Was he going to get 30 minutes a game at NU? That's what he's getting at Rutgers. He's really good, but there's no way CC was going to be able to promise him that kind of role.

That reminds me of the whole we are better off without Nance and Young. Spencer is good enough to have major playing time for Rutgers but not for us. We are too good!

It’s very likely we tried him. I don’t know and I don’t think anyone on this board knows. There was never amy rumors about it.

If my memory does not fail me I read somewhere he had 2 or 3 visits planned. None were to NU. He went to Rutgers and committed immediately. Quick, very quick, and no more visits.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

I never saw any data on this. It’s not just one coach, multiple believe in the “don’t let the defense set” approach. But I think that’s a pro thing. Players are much more experienced and have been there a lot more. I think in college it’s rare to see a coach not take the timeout.

Fouls and timeouts were on our side. CCC ignored both. Dance or replace. It’s been asked and I have refrained. This has been a delightful surprise of a season. But tonight I take my stance as coaching probably cost this game - dance or let’s find the next guy.

Nobody thought anyone would take the NU job if we sent BC packing…. If I’m not at a tourney game then I believe CCC should not be in Evanston anymore.

Btw - remember when the team was exciting, Doug was always a cutaway or two. When was the last time you saw Doug.

 

[Secho99]

What was the picture like for Pat? The bro whose number I wear.

We played without a true PG the year before Pat got here because of the Lathon debacle and the only PGs he had to compete with for time in 19-20 were Greer (who played sparingly in 18-19) and Buie who was a true freshman. Playing time was wide open, unlike this year when 60 minutes were always going to go to Audige/Buie.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Listen, for all you that hate me, I get it. I have called for CCC’s head and I have been giving Lowery the lion share credit for the D.

Ok. Call me whatever. I watched the game tonight. Beginning to end. Didn’t bomb the game thread. And the guys fought back and took the lead when it mattered.

I feel CCC failed in two specific coaching type decisions at the end. Can’t do anything about game play - free throws, makes, misses, poor rotation - that’s players.

But we pay this guy a lot of money to coach. And two decisions that were low brow, easy calls were missed.

And now, this team that I see as a hard fighting, balls to the wall, what we love to root for team was set back a game unnecessarily. They weren’t supposed to be winners. So I’m saying if they aren’t, don’t cut CCC any slack.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

We played without a true PG the year before Pat got here because of the Lathon debacle and the only PGs he had to compete with for time in 19-20 were Greer (who played sparingly in 18-19) and Buie who was a true freshman. Playing time was wide open, unlike this year when 60 minutes were always going to go to Audige/Buie.

By NU standards, Boo was a highly ranked frosh. Vs a lax player. Just saying it wasn’t the four star MBB player coming in. It was a lax player playing his first college BB minutes too.

 

[Sec_112]

... but Matt got caught in no man's land where he wasn't trapping Mulcahy OR guarding Omoruyi. That forced Chase to dive back to the paint to cut off a pass to Omoruyi, leaving Spencer wide open.

I wanted to highlight this because this is the way they've defended the screen at the top ALL SEASON. Nich was just a half second later than usual which left Audige with a choice.

Tough night. Still 3/4 of the marathon left.

 

[Cat-Court-Jester]

Collins explains his decision not to call timeout:

So Rutgers being a “pressing team” meant he didn’t like his chances calling a timeout and drawing up a play? That is frustrating

More frustrating? NU is apparently the opposite of a “pressing team”… maybe more of a “sit back and run whatever you just drew up” team. Because Rutgers down 2 with 14 seconds called timeout and we didn’t even contest the inbounds! Let Mulcahy casually catch the ball, zero deny or ball pressure, just let them go into the exact play as they drew it on their clipboard. That is even more frustrating

 

[ballerog711]

I live in Boston and they complained about his timeout all the time. It's teaching the team to play through situations to make them better later.

What coaches look for in that situation is a match up you can exploit. Sometimes taaking a timeout will let the opposition make a substitution to take away an advantage.

Also, players should upstanding time and score. A three pointer puts the other team in the lead. A two pointer into tied the game. Chase should have stayed with the shooter.

Ultimately, NU left a lot of points on floor during the game with missed free throws and layups. It was a good game and nice to see them co petting, could have been the best start for the team in a long time and we should get rid of the coach that gave NU the opportunity.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

Collins explains his decision not to call timeout:

So Rutgers being a “pressing team” meant he didn’t like his chances calling a timeout and drawing up a play? That is frustrating

More frustrating? NU is apparently the opposite of a “pressing team”… maybe more of a “sit back and run whatever you just drew up” team. Because Rutgers down 2 with 14 seconds called timeout and we didn’t even contest the inbounds! Let Mulcahy casually catch the ball, zero deny or ball pressure, just let them go into the exact play as they drew it on their clipboard. That is even more frustrating

I can agree with this but once they crossed half court, should have called time out. Besides, we have seen lots of real good inbound plays too.

 

[GatoLouco]

Collins explains his decision not to call timeout:

So Rutgers being a “pressing team” meant he didn’t like his chances calling a timeout and drawing up a play? That is frustrating

More frustrating? NU is apparently the opposite of a “pressing team”… maybe more of a “sit back and run whatever you just drew up” team. Because Rutgers down 2 with 14 seconds called timeout and we didn’t even contest the inbounds! Let Mulcahy casually catch the ball, zero deny or ball pressure, just let them go into the exact play as they drew it on their clipboard. That is even more frustrating

Ultimately, though I think it's bone headed to not call a timeout for our team, this does not bother me that much. And that is because there is like a 1% chance we score after the timeout. We'd end up playing 1 on 1 and maybe not even getting a shot up. That's how we've rolled in late game situations for a few years now.

 

[jne381]

What I know is that Tom Izzo would have called a timeout as soon as that ball made it across half court.

 

[xxxbobxxx]

I must have missed some fun. Seems im missing a post or two.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

If thats true - that posts were deleted - that would make me sad. There was nothing remotely close to disrespectful on any of the threads ... that I saw.

 

[The Purple Knight]

First, in the bonus, should have fouled coming out of time out. Second, after fvcking that up, should have called time out over half court and set up a play. These are things that are coached.

I loved this game. Loved the come back and take over. But the last plays were all on CCC. Not about making shots, about making strategy. They had all the momentum.

Unless this team dances, send CCC packing. Love Lowery’s D.

Buie should never touch the ball in that situation.

 

[bringbacktherantboard]

There was no poise in the last couple of minutes, period. The only reason we are up is a bank shot.

Rutgers had their own ridiculous bank shot, so don't begrudge us ours.

 

[GatoLouco]

Rutgers had their own ridiculous bank shot, so don't begrudge us ours.

They could have had 10. Would not negate we got lucky, instead of executed well, with 1:14 to go.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

If thats true - that posts were deleted - that would make me sad. There was nothing remotely close to disrespectful on any of the threads ... that I saw.

Bob did he usual unprovoked call out if at least two people. The only thing surprising was it was only two people this time.

 

[PurpleWhiteBoy]

Bob did he usual unprovoked call out if at least two people. The only thing surprising was it was only two people this time.

What is the defintion of an "unprovoked call out?"
Asking seriously.

If somebody writes "Nicholson is going to eat Omoruyi alive... He'll probably dunk over him 5 times."
and after that doesn't happen, somebody decides to scold the erroneous predictor, is that wrong?
Seems like it is deserved and certainly "fair play."

Now if somebody writes "See, I told you Nicholson is terrible and you, PWB. are a fu*6ing idiot" that seems out of line.

Its the obscenity and the name-calling that should be throttled, not making fun of bad predictions or disagreeing with someone's position. As long as its civil and accurate, it seems fair game to me.