All the bad news about JQ, Lowe, and Aberdeem in one thread

[theBlues]

I hope you didn't click expecting me to have the bad news; I meant other people could post it here.

The only news I've heard about JQ has been the best news we could have possibly heard. With Lowe we originally thought he'd be out 6 weeks and have heard he may be ready for the first game.
We heard that DA's problem was minor and he wasn't expected out long.

We are not snakebit and Kentucky does not currently have major injury problems. Excuse me for not being overly worried about exhibition game body language.

 

[Kentucky15]

Welp, Pope wanted this well he’s got it. This fanbase is starving and it’s a top 5 passionate base in all of sports in any sport. I find we’re very similar to the St. Louis Cardinals and in a similar spot. Haven’t lived up to the legacy name in a decade and absolutely starved. I’d ignore some of it. Pope needs time to figure his way out and it’s worth it to us to give him that time. We won’t get a chance at a former champion alumni to bring titles as a coach. It’s a huge deal. we can’t go Tubby on his *** before his second year people.

Don’t use Calipari’s tenure to pressure Pope. He’s done nothing wrong. He’s been a blessing to this program and he’s not underperformed in any area to this point. I get it but chill out. If the dogs need to be called they will, but we’ve got to give some extra room here. He’s too important to go crazy on too quickly.

Hold the line.

 

[SteelerCat]

Welp, Pope wanted this well he’s got it. This fanbase is starving and it’s a top 5 passionate base in all of sports in any sport. I find we’re very similar to the St. Louis Cardinals and in a similar spot. Haven’t lived up to the legacy name in a decade and absolutely starved. I’d ignore some of it. Pope needs time to figure his way out and it’s worth it to us to give him that time. We won’t get a chance at a former champion alumni to bring titles as a coach. It’s a huge deal. we can’t go Tubby on his *** before his second year people.

Don’t use Calipari’s tenure to pressure Pope. He’s done nothing wrong. He’s been a blessing to this program and he’s not underperformed in any area to this point. I get it but chill out. If the dogs need to be called they will, but we’ve got to give some extra room here. He’s too important to go crazy on too quickly.

Hold the line.

I agree with this to a certain extent. Pope shouldn't be punished for the sins of the father as they say.

However, with NIL in place college bball is closer to the NBA (especially at a place like UK with deep pockets) in that results are expected sooner than later.

 

[kybassfan]

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

We ain’t got no point guard, they all had surgery.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

 

[blackcat714]

I agree with this to a certain extent. Pope shouldn't be punished for the sins of the father as they say.

However, with NIL in place college bball is closer to the NBA (especially at a place like UK with deep pockets) in that results are expected sooner than later.

Popes needs a final four in the next couple of years if not his seat will start to get hot

 

[Kentucky15]

I agree with this to a certain extent. Pope shouldn't be punished for the sins of the father as they say.

However, with NIL in place college bball is closer to the NBA (especially at a place like UK with deep pockets) in that results are expected sooner than later.

But the coach still has to have time to find his team. Pope is maintaining the roster, he wants continuity. It might take a little time to grow a few guys into juniors and seniors and we can’t run him before then.

NIL will supplement some OAD’s and guys to fill in gaps. Sometimes they’ll be a star sometimes they’ll be strong role guys. But Pope isn’t building a roster of mercenaries he’s building a real team. You can clearly see that.

 

[bnewt]

I hope you didn't click expecting me to have the bad news; I meant other people could post it here.

The only news I've heard about JQ has been the best news we could have possibly heard. With Lowe we originally thought he'd be out 6 weeks and have heard he may be ready for the first game.
We heard that DA's problem was minor and he wasn't expected out long.

We are not snakebit and Kentucky does not currently have major injury problems. Excuse me for not being overly worried about exhibition game body language.

Would say JQ's injury is pretty major

 

[theBlues]

Would say JQ's injury is pretty major

It's been major for going on 8 months. It's less major than it used to be and the news is as good as possible; there literally has not been any bad news about JQ's recovery.

 

[bnewt]

But the coach still has to have time to find his team. Pope is maintaining the roster, he wants continuity. It might take a little time to grow a few guys into juniors and seniors and we can’t run him before then.

NIL will supplement some OAD’s and guys to fill in gaps. Sometimes they’ll be a star sometimes they’ll be strong role guys. But Pope isn’t building a roster of mercenaries he’s building a real team. You can clearly see that.

With NIL, all players are mercenaries. They are hired guns that jump to the highest pay check

 

[Kentucky15]

With NIL, all players are mercenaries. They are hired guns that jump to the highest pay check

But if you notice, that’s not what he’s doing. MO wanted to be here because he wants to play for Kentucky. Retaining Kentucky kids. JQ wanted to play at Kentucky. Oweh told me personally he wanted to play for Kentucky it was a dream to play at a blue blood like this. Aberdeen gave up playing for a title team and his home state because he wanted to play at a blue blood.

These are not mercenaries compared to what Calipari builds. He’s intentionally looking for guys that want to be a family and part of this tradition.

He’s literally recruiting guys that care about this place. It’s not what it was but this is as close as it gets to the old way.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

I agree with this to a certain extent. Pope shouldn't be punished for the sins of the father as they say.

However, with NIL in place college bball is closer to the NBA (especially at a place like UK with deep pockets) in that results are expected sooner than later.

Yeah but let’s not fire the coach who made the Eastern Conference finals either! They love doing that and coaches who literally just won a title two years ago.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

But if you notice, that’s not what he’s doing. MO wanted to be here because he wants to play for Kentucky. Retaining Kentucky kids. JQ wanted to play at Kentucky. Oweh told me personally he wanted to play for Kentucky it was a dream to play at a blue blood like this. Aberdeen gave up playing for a title team and his home state because he wanted to play at a blue blood.

These are not mercenaries compared to what Calipari builds. He’s intentionally looking for guys that want to be a family and part of this tradition.

He’s literally recruiting guys that care about this place. It’s not what it was but this is as close as it gets to the old way.

Spread the gospel brother Morg. Go Big Blue!

 

[Vek96]

Welp, Pope wanted this well he’s got it. This fanbase is starving and it’s a top 5 passionate base in all of sports in any sport. I find we’re very similar to the St. Louis Cardinals and in a similar spot. Haven’t lived up to the legacy name in a decade and absolutely starved. I’d ignore some of it. Pope needs time to figure his way out and it’s worth it to us to give him that time. We won’t get a chance at a former champion alumni to bring titles as a coach. It’s a huge deal. we can’t go Tubby on his *** before his second year people.

Don’t use Calipari’s tenure to pressure Pope. He’s done nothing wrong. He’s been a blessing to this program and he’s not underperformed in any area to this point. I get it but chill out. If the dogs need to be called they will, but we’ve got to give some extra room here. He’s too important to go crazy on too quickly.

Hold the line.

Great post.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

It's been major for going on 8 months. It's less major than it used to be and the news is as good as possible; there literally has not been any bad news about JQ's recovery.

What “news” have you heard? The only thing that Pope has talked about is super vague ramblings about his sweat soaked workouts with a S&C coach. That’s been it. I agree there’s no bad news. But I also know there’s been no good news. Everything we heard was he was supposed to be back in 6 months. Obviously that didn’t happen. Anyone with half a brain knew it wouldn’t. So here we are, nearly 8 months out and nothing. No definitive timeline. That means we are further than closer. Granted we all probably have a bit of PTSD on this front, but there’s a reason for the vague responses.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

But if you notice, that’s not what he’s doing. MO wanted to be here because he wants to play for Kentucky. Retaining Kentucky kids. JQ wanted to play at Kentucky. Oweh told me personally he wanted to play for Kentucky it was a dream to play at a blue blood like this. Aberdeen gave up playing for a title team and his home state because he wanted to play at a blue blood.

These are not mercenaries compared to what Calipari builds. He’s intentionally looking for guys that want to be a family and part of this tradition.

He’s literally recruiting guys that care about this place. It’s not what it was but this is as close as it gets to the old way.

Seriously? MO and Aberdeen absolutely came to UK because they were offered more $$$. Both their former coaches have said it passive aggressively. It’s pretty common knowledge. I wouldn’t call them mercenaries necessarily, but let’s not pretend they came here for the name on the front either.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

Popes needs a final four in the next couple of years if not his seat will start to get hot

He’s not getting one.

we can pretend all we want because he’s a good guy.

this job is too big for Pope.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

He’s not getting one.

we can pretend all we want because he’s a good guy.

this job is too big for Pope.

There’s a large part of me that believes this. But then there’s the part of me that sees how good his offenses can be at times and thinks he can make it work. Idk man, I need to see some progress in year two. If Lowe doesn’t pan out and JQ isn’t healthy, I’m not sure that progress is there.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

There’s a large part of me that believes this. But then there’s the part of me that sees how good his offenses can be at times and thinks he can make it work. Idk man, I need to see some progress in year two. If Lowe doesn’t pan out and JQ isn’t healthy, I’m not sure that progress is there.

I want it to be different.
but it’s not

 

[Kentucky15]

Seriously? MO and Aberdeen absolutely came to UK because they were offered more $$$. Both their former coaches have said it passive aggressively. It’s pretty common knowledge. I wouldn’t call them mercenaries necessarily, but let’s not pretend they came here for the name on the front either.

MO has said himself that he has always wanted to play for Kentucky. He was a UK fan and wasn’t recruited here. When he got the chance he seemed to jump at it.

Aberdeen has said himself he wanted to play at a blue blood and wanted to be here.

I’m literally going off of their comments. MO especially, he wanted to be recruited by UK but wasn’t offered under Calipari.

If the money isn’t there then you’re not getting anyone. But that hasn’t changed to a smaller degree. Hans wanted to play at UK but UNC offered his mother a job. So not sure it matters in the grand scheme. It’s always been an issue surrounding the offer. We still said so and so wanted to play here and there without getting into all that.

 

[MCIGuy]

Popes needs a final four in the next couple of years if not his seat will start to get hot

what???

 

[Kentucky15]

He’s not getting one.

we can pretend all we want because he’s a good guy.

this job is too big for Pope.

So Calipari needs to stay even though he was like 10-50 against the top 25 his last 7 years? Peacocked? But stay?

Tubby was worse than BCG? Didn’t you say that?

Now job too big for a guy that went to the sweet 16 year 1, and has a top 10 team to start year 2?

I think the troll job is a bit too strong. Have you been a UL fan the entire time? Still don’t get why people do that.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

What “news” have you heard? The only thing that Pope has talked about is super vague ramblings about his sweat soaked workouts with a S&C coach. That’s been it. I agree there’s no bad news. But I also know there’s been no good news. Everything we heard was he was supposed to be back in 6 months. Obviously that didn’t happen. Anyone with half a brain knew it wouldn’t. So here we are, nearly 8 months out and nothing. No definitive timeline. That means we are further than closer. Granted we all probably have a bit of PTSD on this front, but there’s a reason for the vague responses.

Because he doesn’t know for sure when he will be cleared for full contact yet and how he will respond. He can’t know the future, but I guarantee they have a timeline for when they will try to get him going for game action or will soon.

 

[Vek96]

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

We ain’t got no point guard, they all had surgery.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

Deep dark depression, excessive misery.

We ain’t got no point guard, they all had surgery.

Gloom, despair and agony on me.

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But if you notice, that’s not what he’s doing. MO wanted to be here because he wants to play for Kentucky. Retaining Kentucky kids. JQ wanted to play at Kentucky. Oweh told me personally he wanted to play for Kentucky it was a dream to play at a blue blood like this. Aberdeen gave up playing for a title team and his home state because he wanted to play at a blue blood.

These are not mercenaries compared to what Calipari builds. He’s intentionally looking for guys that want to be a family and part of this tradition.

He’s literally recruiting guys that care about this place. It’s not what it was but this is as close as it gets to the old way.

I couldn’t agree more. Mark recruits guys that have character, and want to be here. It’s a privilege to play here.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

He’s not getting one.

we can pretend all we want because he’s a good guy.

this job is too big for Pope.

 

[Uncle ByeBye]

MO has said himself that he has always wanted to play for Kentucky. He was a UK fan and wasn’t recruited here. When he got the chance he seemed to jump at it.

Aberdeen has said himself he wanted to play at a blue blood and wanted to be here.

I’m literally going off of their comments. MO especially, he wanted to be recruited by UK but wasn’t offered under Calipari.

If the money isn’t there then you’re not getting anyone. But that hasn’t changed to a smaller degree. Hans wanted to play at UK but UNC offered his mother a job. So not sure it matters in the grand scheme. It’s always been an issue surrounding the offer. We still said so and so wanted to play here and there without getting into all that.

I think we all read the same article about Mo. He liked Kentucky because of Hamidou Diallo. Let's not pretend he was a fan like us all his life. And Aberdeen also said the NBA was his goal and knew all of the guys that came through UK.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

MO has said himself that he has always wanted to play for Kentucky. He was a UK fan and wasn’t recruited here. When he got the chance he seemed to jump at it.

Aberdeen has said himself he wanted to play at a blue blood and wanted to be here.

I’m literally going off of their comments. MO especially, he wanted to be recruited by UK but wasn’t offered under Calipari.

If the money isn’t there then you’re not getting anyone. But that hasn’t changed to a smaller degree. Hans wanted to play at UK but UNC offered his mother a job. So not sure it matters in the grand scheme. It’s always been an issue surrounding the offer. We still said so and so wanted to play here and there without getting into all that.

Wtf you think they’re going to say? Yeah, we came here for the money? The money wasn’t close. We way outbid Bama and Florida. Outbidding is FINE, btw. But let’s not pretend it’s something it’s not. For the record, I blame nobody. Get your bag.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Because he doesn’t know for sure when he will be cleared for full contact yet and how he will respond. He can’t know the future but I guarantee they have a timeline for when they will try to get him going for game action or will soon.

So then say that. Be transparent. Don’t be vague and ramble about sweat filled workouts. “You know, I’m not really sure. He’s still not cleared for contact. Once he is, and responds well, then he’ll be about four weeks away.” The vague ramblings and moving targets remind us all of previous situations. Pope isn’t supposed to be like previous situations.

 

[Kentucky15]

I think we all read the same article about Mo. He liked Kentucky because of Hamidou Diallo. Let's not pretend he was a fan like us all his life. And Aberdeen also said the NBA was his goal and knew all of the guys that came through UK.

He said the weekend of madness he was a UK fan. I’m not sure to what degree, I’m not sure any of these guys ever rooted for teams the way we do. But he was a UK fan and had a connection to it to some emotional degree, had the opportunity to play here and took it. Aberdeen has said “blue blood” is what his aim was. So he wanted to be here, and Oweh said it directly in front of me that his dream was to play at a program like this. He wanted blue blood offers and never got it. They all wanted this kind of opportunity.

pope is trying to get as many players as he can that fit the mold of guys who want to be a part of this because he knows it means a lot more. They seem to me to be more UK than Sheppard who is from here and grew up a fan. Hopefully he changes his tune at some point but Oweh specifically has been more of a UK guy than he has been in my eyes. When I spoke to Oweh about playing at UK he went on and on about this being a dream come true.

 

[Kentucky15]

Wtf you think they’re going to say? Yeah, we came here for the money? The money wasn’t close. We way outbid Bama and Florida. Outbidding is FINE, btw. But let’s not pretend it’s something it’s not. For the record, I blame nobody. Get your bag.

Yea that’s exactly what a lot of players say. There are many that say it’s a business decision and UK has nothing to do with it? Have you been deaf during Cals tenure?

A guy like Oweh makes it clear playing at UK is a dream. JQ wanted to be here, Pope wants guys that want to be here. The money has to be there, but once the money is there they pick on something and many of the guys he’s getting want to play for UK.

Obviously it’s not the degree of say, Noah. But yea Pope seems to really look for the signal that they want the UK program. I don’t think he’s interested in you if you scoff at it. That’s what I’ve gathered from listening to him and at gatherings.

Pope is looking to give the fans rosters that want to be here and love the situation. He’s trying to give us players we can grow with, not run a mill in and out. It’s extremely obvious it’s something he zones in on.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Yea that’s exactly what a lot of players say. There are many that say it’s a business decision and UK has nothing to do with it? Have you been deaf during Cals tenure?

A guy like Oweh makes it clear playing at UK is a dream. JQ wanted to be here, Pope wants guys that want to be here. The money has to be there, but once the money is there they pick on something and many of the guys he’s getting want to play for UK.

I mentioned specifically Aberdeen and MO D. That’s it. JQ was punching up. Same with Oweh. Aberdeen and MO D were not.

 

[Kentucky15]

I think we all read the same article about Mo. He liked Kentucky because of Hamidou Diallo. Let's not pretend he was a fan like us all his life. And Aberdeen also said the NBA was his goal and knew all of the guys that came through UK.

obviously the NBA pedigree is something a lot of these guys grew up watching. But that’s something I’m sure a lot of Tubby’s players grew up watching under Pitino. It’s always been that way. If you aren’t from Kentucky then most kids aren’t fans in the mold of us. But Pope is 100% looking for guys that want to play at UK or a program like UK, for whatever reason. I think he understands how much it means to the fans to have players that won’t bolt at the first offer out of town, and also to build some kind of family atmosphere after the mass exodus of guys following the Calipari years. He all but says this and it’s pretty constant his players talk about loving UK, it’s just something that’s understood around the program.

 

[Kentucky15]

I mentioned specifically Aberdeen and MO D. That’s it. JQ was punching up. Same with Oweh. Aberdeen and MO D were not.

What I’m saying is yes, many guys will tell you it’s about money. Many of them. Why are they different? Players haven’t been afraid to say it’s about money or NBA aspirations for a very long time. For not being from Kentucky, MO is definitely loving being a UK player. 100%. He’s said it over and over. His parents have said it. Aberdeen if nothing else wanted to be at a blue blood. You’ve got guys like JQ that have been trying to get to UK for a long time, he’s discussed playing here. Oweh will tell you this is the kind of program he’s always wanted to play at.

These are not secrets they will absolutely tell you this. And many players will say it’s about the coach and the money. The NBA. Well they aren’t saying that. I can’t count how many players flat out say nothing about the programs. It’s everywhere.

When you listen to pope he pretty much says he looks for guys that want to wear the jersey. He’s not lying.

 

[theBlues]

What “news” have you heard? The only thing that Pope has talked about is super vague ramblings about his sweat soaked workouts with a S&C coach. That’s been it. I agree there’s no bad news. But I also know there’s been no good news. Everything we heard was he was supposed to be back in 6 months. Obviously that didn’t happen. Anyone with half a brain knew it wouldn’t. So here we are, nearly 8 months out and nothing. No definitive timeline. That means we are further than closer. Granted we all probably have a bit of PTSD on this front, but there’s a reason for the vague responses.

Yes, there is a reason for the vague responses; lack of knowledge. Until the doctors clear him Pope can't give anybody any specific timelines but his descriptions of JQ's progress have not been vague. They were quite positive.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Yes, there is a reason for the vague responses; lack of knowledge. Until the doctors clear him Pope can't give anybody any specific timelines but his descriptions of JQ's progress have not been vague. They were quite positive.

How were they “quite positive”? We were told 6 months. Granted, you should’ve known that was hogwash. We are 7.5 months removed from surgery though, and still don’t know much. All that tells me is, at the extreme very best, we are still 6 weeks out. That puts him right at 9 months. But still, that’s VERY BEST at this point. That’s if he were cleared for contact in the next week or two and there are no setbacks.

What news do you have that is quite positive?

 

[theBlues]

How were they “quite positive”? We were told 6 months. Granted, you should’ve known that was hogwash. We are 7.5 months removed from surgery though, and still don’t know much. All that tells me is, at the extreme very best, we are still 6 weeks out. That puts him right at 9 months. But still, that’s VERY BEST at this point. That’s if he were cleared for contact in the next week or two and there are no setbacks.

What news do you have that is quite positive?

I have heard NO negative news and Pope has been nothing but positive about his recovery. If you define "news" as doctor reports then there has been no news of any kind. You were NOT told 6 months. I heard some people here speculating on 6 months but nobody associated with the team said 6 months. But, have it your way, he'll probably never walk again and may lose that leg.

 

[sk73]

It's been major for going on 8 months. It's less major than it used to be and the news is as good as possible; there literally has not been any bad news about JQ's recovery.

I have no idea when Quaintance will play. For comparison, Kaeson Pryor, a UL player suffered a similar injury in November of last year. He is still being held out of competition. Expected to play within the next couple of games. Pryors injury occurred about 4 months before JQs. Both players have had great medical oversight. I hope JQ is ready to go soon but it may be months or, not at all.

 

[travisbickle]

News about JQ keeps getting worse.

Apparently he actually sucks at chess and has been using ChatGPT to tell him the next move to make. Doesn’t even know what castling means.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I certainly think Kentucky is snake bit with injury. Seems we did OK in 2000s, but Cals later years and on were practically year after year if detrimental, season-altering injuries.

If we want to call that cursed or if its just completely bad luck, doesnt matter to me.. but its been quite bad. Just go down the list. We had some of the most impactful injuries of any top25 team last season with Butler, Jrob and Carr.. and now we are going into the season with both PGs banged up. What other team right now has two top7 players injured and missing games?

 

[theBlues]

I certainly think Kentucky is snake bit with injury. Seems we did OK in 2000s, but Cals later years and on were practically year after year if detrimental, season-altering injuries.

If we want to call that cursed or if its just completely bad luck, doesnt matter to me.. but its been quite bad. Just go down the list. We had some of the most impactful injuries of any top25 team last season with Butler, Jrob and Carr.. and now we are going into the season with both PGs banged up. What other team right now has two top7 players injured and missing games?

Of course, we can't count JQ's injury as bad luck; JQ wasn't a Wildcat when he got injured. He's getting healthy as a Cat.
Nobody has missed any games yet. I expect DA back for game 1 and Lowe may be back that game so I don't see this team as snake bit.

I'm not one of those people who only see things in the most positive light. In fact I'm often too pessimistic. I just don't see any reason to
look at things like player injuries in the most negative light. I remember some of the talent that started or some of Tubby and Billy G's teams
and I remember the coaching or lack of coaching from the last coach. Right now I'm happy with the talent and the coaching so if injuries wind up killing the season I'll cry about if afterward. Me worrying about injuries has no effect on those injuries so I'm just choosing not to worry
about things beyond my control.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Of course, we can't count JQ's injury as bad luck; JQ wasn't a Wildcat when he got injured. He's getting healthy as a Cat.
Nobody has missed any games yet. I expect DA back for game 1 and Lowe may be back that game so I don't see this team as snake bit.

I'm not one of those people who only see things in the most positive light. In fact I'm often too pessimistic. I just don't see any reason to
look at things like player injuries in the most negative light. I remember some of the talent that started or some of Tubby and Billy G's teams
and I remember the coaching or lack of coaching from the last coach. Right now I'm happy with the talent and the coaching so if injuries wind up killing the season I'll cry about if afterward. Me worrying about injuries has no effect on those injuries so I'm just choosing not to worry
about things beyond my control.

Yeah im not saying dont be optimistic. They could all be healthy once the season starts. But, theres no denying the sort of injuries we DID have to endure, optimistic or not. Theres no two ways around it. Kentucky was been one of the most injured teams the last 15 years. And honestly, Duke was not far behind. For as much as I hate Duke, they've had to deal with a lot of injury woes also.