american history textbooks in 2035
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Some people won't people happy until there's a mixture of Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron and Orwell's 1984. Both seem to be coming.
Nonsense. Every child should be taught REAL history, good and bad. Start with Howard Zinn’s “A People’s History”.
the past happened. We don’t need to be ashamed of it. We just need to make the now and the future better.
the past happened. We don’t need to be ashamed of it. We just need to make the now and the future better.
I suppose next you’re gonna tell us how the economies of Pennsylvania and Virginia were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740.
It will show 2020 was the year that freedom fighters rose up against the evil government to help Americans erase all of the terrible things that have happened even though that's why they were freedom fighters to start with meaning nobody will understand why they ever revolted...
You all are more melodramatic than the girl elves up here in the North Pole.
There won’t be an America in 2035 if the disgusting Marxists continue to be enabled. Not as it was established. Not even close. And it won’t be pretty. This is what my grandkids have to look forward to.
You’re right. It’s not like America was the first, and really only, country founded on enlightenment ideals that all men are created equal, that the people control the government, that the individual is entitled to their God given rights leading to the most prosperous and powerful nation in the history of the world. With these same ideals establishing the foundation for abolition of slavery in the US.
It’s not like we were founded by overthrowing tyranny, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives to end slavery, defeated European totalitarianism, and stood up against quite possibly the most evil governing ideology in history known as communism.
We obviously didn’t lead the world in mass industrial and technological advancement never before seen including but not limited to putting man on the moon.
Nope. Nothing special about America at all. Cause, you know, racism.
I don't know you well enough to know if that's sarcasm, but...
Loved it (audio book while commuting). Almost finished with The Fountainhead.
I see a lot of similarities to 2020 real world. Especially the collectivism v individualism debate.
Anybody remember Huck Finn? A book banned for being racist, even though Huck becomes more enlightened about slavery and black people through his journey with Jim. Banned because it has the word "******" in it, even though as a reader, you become as enlightened as Huck himself?
Eff cancel culture! Eff neo progressive facist libs. They can all go straight to hell.
Eff cancel culture! Eff neo progressive facist libs. They can all go straight to hell.
I agree those ideals were awesome, too bad the founders had a good for me bad for thee attitude toward them. When you write like Jefferson did, but continue to hold slaves it's extremely hypocritical.
I think non-whites would say they are having their Boston Tea Party right now. We are 230 years in and people are still not treated equally. We have thousands of laws that go against our very Constitution that were designed specifically to keep black people from prospering after their emancipation. Is it hard for you to admit that for all the good this country has done it has also done a lot of really $hitty things as well. Slavery, Trail Of Tears, global tyrrany since World War II in the name of defeating Communism or Terrorism or whatever we can call it to scare voters into continuing to spend trillions of $'s on the military industrial complex.
Then the people that supposedly love freedom and liberty are huge proponents of law and order. Guess what, those 2 concepts are diametrically opposed. The more freedom and liberty you give the less law and order there can be and vice versa. That is how it works.
This country can immediately be a better place to live with 2 or 3 really simple things:
1. End the War On Drugs. If we are fighting drugs we are getting our asses kicked. There are more drug users than ever before and our own pharmaceutical companies under FDA approval created the largest generation of addicts ever, yet we continue to jail young poor men for selling and using marijuana. Decriminalize all drug possession and use. Stop using money to fund policing of drugs and use it to treat addicts like human beings instead of animals.
2. Healthcare. It's stupid we don't have Healthcare for every American. The government already pays for about 1/2 of Americans Healthcare. We can afford to pay for the rest. There is 0 reason to keep fighting this
3. Massively reform US immigration policy. Make it easier to come here so we can continue to prosper econkmically. We are shooting ourselves in the foot with our immigration policies because we make it nearly impossible for our population to grow. And economy is constrained by it's labor force. If it is too small things won't happen. Instead of letting workers who want to work come here we are making it almost impossible for them to come and then spending a fortune trying to police that too. It's insanity.
These are simple and easy to implement and 2 would reap huge savings for the government. Yet we must get behind our red and blue canopy and see what our overlords tell us before deciding anything.
I absolutely can admit America has some stains on its past. You know why? Because it’s a country made up of humans - just like everyone other country in the world. And humans aren’t perfect and make mistakes. Some of those mistakes are egregious. But the values and beliefs which America was founded on are inherently good.
True - the founders were men of their time. But like I said, their beliefs and views enshrined in the DOI and Constitution set the stage for abolition. That wasn’t a coincidence. We don’t celebrate men for their vices, we celebrate them for their achievements. Our founders are political and philosophical giants that carved out the closest to perfect governing document in human history. Sorry, but I think that shouldn’t be ignored or erased because they owned slaves.
I also think it’s an insincere attack on America. Why aren’t these same people doing ANYTHING about modern day slavery in Africa, the Middle East or communist China? Slavery ended here 160 years ago yet TODAY it exists elsewhere. I’m sure those slaves think American liberals are true saints among men.
I don’t support endless wars or the MIC so you’re preaching to the choir on endless wars. I’m sure you support Trump’s efforts, though repeatedly stonewalled by the establishment, to reign these in right?
Jim Crow and segregation was bad - no argument there. Im sure you’re on the front lines picketing against the reverse segregation we’re starting to see pop up in academia and the public sector right?
The idea that law and order is incompatible with freedom and liberty is completely inaccurate. This is a disingenuous argument similar to when people attack libertarianism by saying true liberty means people could walk around killing others. Uh, no. The purpose of law and order is to PROTECT liberty. Without property rights, there is no liberty. Hence the need for law. Yes, due to government overreach, there are several laws that are unconstitutional and should be done away with. But that’s not the constitutions fault - it’s the fault of poor leadership and an uniformed populace.
I’m not going to go into too detailed a response on your proposals because that’s a different topic.
I see both sides on war of drugs and don’t really feel strong enough either way to decide. I don’t use illegal drugs so I’ve never had a problem with it.
Medicare for all would be a disaster of epic proportion resulting in rationed care, even more exploding deficits, incompetent administration, and a further divide in quality of care between rich and poor. The idea that there is zero reason to oppose it is laughable at best.
I don’t even know where to begin with your immigration views. So anyone who wants to can come in? Do they have to be educated? What about their skill level? What about their ability to contribute rather than take from society? Do they have to share American ideals? If not, are their third world ideas acceptable? Do we want their culture here?
See how absurd it is to say open the borders?
If mass immigration was the answer, why aren’t we flourishing now? We’ve had enormous immigration levels for the last 30 years, yet all’s that’s happened is it drives down middle class and lower class wages. Opening the border would probably be the absolute worst thing you could possible due to a country for a myriad of reasons.