Another PBJ tread
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A 5 star recruit with a history at NU, who had us in his final choices and who has this kind of attitude with regard to the blue blood programs..... this was a must-get recruit for NU. Such a shame.
This may sound crazy, but I suspect his school choice might be based entirely on where his dad happens to be coaching, regardless what anyone might say to the media.
I don’t think it’s a “shame”, despite being disappointing. It just shows how difficult it is for NU to compete for high-level talent - even things that we think could work in our favor do not - he wants to play for his dad and his home town of Milwaukee. Things have to work perfectly for us. Collins has an immensely tough job, to re-state the obvious with this example.
Not crazy at all.
Just imagine if Phillips hadn’t given CCC a mega extension after one year of success. We could have replaced him with Baldwin and had PBJ in Evanston.
I quite enjoyed my seat at Vivent Arena. Possible promises of a potential player is a poor proxy for past performance.
Not sure we want the one and dones! I actually enjoyed my time at Northwestern once I gave up my delusions of grandeur of being an All American wrestler! Tried to join a frat, tried out for WaMu, dance
parties every weekend, great teachers, I was an economic major and secondary teaching and enjoyed them both, windsurfing, volunteering special Olympics! All those activities seemed more fun than getting pounded in the wrestling room by my buddy, two time All American Steve DePetro who beat me 22-6 in a wrestleoff for varsity one year!Pretty much what had stated from the start, despite what a few others thought.
Think things may have worked out differently with Starling if the program hadn't completely stunk it up after the Tourney season.
Relatively, CC and staff had recruited fairly well on paper, but most of those 4* recruits hadn't panned out - not to mention not doing a good job in building all the parts of a roster.
Now, CC and staff will have to earn their paychecks.
Find the diamonds in the rough - unheralded 3* recruits who are under-ranked a la Coble, Juice, Shurna, Crawford, Cobb, BMac, Pardon.
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PBJ debuted with a double double. 21 and 10. His ankle must be fine as he played 37 minutes.
Top 10 NBA pick after this year. Could have gone anywhere, but he only has one father.
Also, Jordan Lathon with 6 points, 7 rebounds, and an assist in his Milwaukee debut.
Other than BMac, all his pg recruits end up sucking, regardless of star rating.
Boo is the second best player on this years team. Roper looks like he has the tools to be good.
Collins had Lathon Signed. Then Lathon did something during his visit that caused NU to drop him. He’s now on his third school in 3 years. I don’t care how many points he scores in the Horizon League. He doesn’t seem like the kind of kid I’d want in my program.
Boo is not a pg. I’ll reserve judgment on roper until I see him in action.
Yes, that’s exactly the point isn’t it? Lathon is someone Collins wanted badly. Turns out the kid isn’t very good at basketball and has character issues to boot. So why was Collins’ evaluation so off base in all respects? At least when Fitz misses on recruits, they aren’t bad kids.
Kind of hard to fault Collins on the character evaluation. The OV is part of the evaluation. When the staff learned something went wrong on the visit, the recruit was dropped. Prospects visit so the coaches and the current players can get a better feel for each as a person. It’s a two way street. In this case the OV served its purpose.
Then pound on the other positions. There is enough material for you there. In fact, you might as well say he can’t recruit at all with the approach you are taking. Half the players bust on pretty much every roster.
Then who is a PG on the roster? Greer? You may say Boo is a bad PG if that is your opinion, but he is a PG. I’ll stick with my opinion of Roper after seeing him live. Might not be this year, but it won’t be long with him.
If anyone still believes it was a shame Lathon did not land in Evanston, they are out of their mind. We dodged a bullet. Suffered with the lack of a true PG, but ultimately lucked out he never came.
The roster doesn’t have a pg, or at least a capable one. That’s the entire problem. Boo is an undersized 2 guard. We have had a dismal record in close games ever since BMac graduated. Take one big guess why that is
From what I've seen and heard about Rowan, he looks to be a "true point guard", assuming he actually signs. I'd like to see Berry and Roper get some time at pg to see how they do in that role with this squad, but if not, I think Boo can continue do the job well enough to get us where we're trying to go.
We spent an entire year hearing how different it would have been “if only we had had Lathon”, or, perhaps, “CCC got screwed with the Lathon thing”, while Lathon was shooting 40% at UTEP.
We also had people arguing that PG is like QB, and top PG’s just don’t go where there’s a young one. This is of course untrue.
I, for one, will fondly remember AJ Turner pretending to be a point guard because he was the least terrible option. He had a chance to be a pretty good player, at least based on what he had done at BC.
You hear a lot of the same things over and over on this board. Like if Young started all games we’d suddenly be winning and Nicholson needs 5-10 minutes on the court each game because other teams play their 7 footers. Doesn’t make it right.
We have awkward lineup combos because, yep you guessed it, there's no natural PG on the team! I'm sure Collins lineups aren't 100% optimal, but he's often forced into a choice between bad and worse due to how poorly he's recruited the most important position in college bball
well yes it is actually easy to fault him because all his PG eggs were in the Lathon basket. And he turned out to be a bad basketball player on top of the character issues! Do any other ‘good recruiters’ completely fail at bringing in a serviceable PG to campus for 4 years straight?
Yep tell me about all the great Collins recruits who are exceeding or even meeting expectations. Guys like Ash, Brown, Falzon, Kopp, Rowley, Beran, Rap, Lathon. Man he is killing it! And it shows in our results as well!
But then again you’re someone who readily admits not knowing what you are seeing on tv despite watching basketball for 30 years. So I guess you’ve just heard some rando talking head on tv say that Collins is a good recruiter and now you just parrot it because you are incapable of forming your own opinions based on your eyes.
I just think Boo’s game is the opposite of what fits the rest of the team. He’s an inefficient chucker, and that ends up creating more possessions in the game and I think that isn’t necessarily to NUs benefit.
Wow we got a single decent PG recruit (potentially - Lathon was once pretty hyped too) 4 years after our last serviceable PG graduated. Great job Collins! Another 10 year extension is in the works!
I won’t go to your level (again and again), but you don’t have very good reading comprehension skills. The entire board agrees he’s good add it except for you.