Another troubling statement

[billoliver40]

Coach said more than once that he has to recruit harder for the front seven.

A former defensive coordinator saying that after four years.

So.....if we get two four star down linemen this year and a couple of high grade linebackers, then we can expect some result when they are juniors.
After the current offense is gone.
And we are back to we can't score points.
It almost gets comical.

 

[Cats_2010]

Pretty sure that's just part of his schtick now. Gotta get back to work, gotta do this, gotta do that, blah blah blah.....everytime I try to listen to him do a postgame show all I hear is Charlie Browns teacher!!!!

 

[megablue]

It appears that KY fans clamor for an entertaining offense.

When you award an inordinate number of scholarships to receivers (remember we had four (4) tight ends on scholarship, all from Ohio), and concentrate more on the offensive line than the other side, you are setting yourself up for a sub-par defense, especially for the line and LBers. There are simply more smaller football players than larger ones.......

 

[ukgrad83]

It seems Stoops is good at coordinating players that already have the necessary skills to play at the collegiate level, aka 5 stars, but he does not appear to have the ability to "coach up" lesser players. That might explain his success at FSU. He didn't have to teach them skills, he just had to teach them the schemes. The guys we have don't have all the skills yet and it's killing us. I think the same could be said for the line coaches as well. None of the players appear to improving or showing the necessary skills (foot work, spin techniques, etc.)

 

[docholiday51]

It seems we are learning several things from Stoops and Gran;
1.The players aren't smart enough to grasp and execute the whole playbook (both on offense and defense)
2.Barker has chronic back issues dating back to the summer
3.Stoops took away the run option from Johnson during the game(makes you wonder about Towles not running last year was it Dawson or Stoops?)

 

[dorkmeister]

He has done a great job recruiting but not so much compared to the SEC teams. I'm not sure if he is the one but he is trying to build our roster.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Coach said more than once that he has to recruit harder for the front seven.

A former defensive coordinator saying that after four years.

So.....if we get two four star down linemen this year and a couple of high grade linebackers, then we can expect some result when they are juniors.
After the current offense is gone.
And we are back to we can't score points.
It almost gets comical.

Have to recruit harder for the front 7 regardless of your record. SEC quality DL are scarce.

 

[tntuk]

It seems we are learning several things from Stoops and Gran;
1.The players aren't smart enough to grasp and execute the whole playbook (both on offense and defense)
2.Barker has chronic back issues dating back to the summer
3.Stoops took away the run option from Johnson during the game(makes you wonder about Towles not running last year was it Dawson or Stoops?)

I'm pretty sure your #3 had a lot to do with not getting Johnson hurt, after the horse collar tackle (that wasn't called by the refs).

 

[LeonThe Camel]

He has done a great job recruiting but not so much compared to the SEC teams. I'm not sure if he is the one but he is trying to build our roster.

He is not recruiting well enough to beat many teams, not just SEC.
We beat winless Miami(Ohio) and an FCS Alabama State his first year.
Second year we beat Tennessee-Martin, Ohio U., and Louisiana-Monroe.
Last year we beat Louisiana-Lafayette, Charlotte, and barely EKU.
Those are some poor teams to brag about beating.

 

[docholiday51]

I'm pretty sure your #3 had a lot to do with not getting Johnson hurt, after the horse collar tackle (that wasn't called by the refs).

You are probably right about that,it just seems we are hearing things that no one knew about before the season started,I wonder if we were 2-1 vs 1-2 if we would know these things now.

Could it be that Barkers back issue buys the staff a few extra days to decide on a QB,it keeps South Carolina guessing and it is a winnable game so we need any help we can get

 

[Comebakatz3]

It seems Stoops is good at coordinating players that already have the necessary skills to play at the collegiate level, aka 5 stars, but he does not appear to have the ability to "coach up" lesser players. That might explain his success at FSU. He didn't have to teach them skills, he just had to teach them the schemes. The guys we have don't have all the skills yet and it's killing us. I think the same could be said for the line coaches as well. None of the players appear to improving or showing the necessary skills (foot work, spin techniques, etc.)

He also did quite well with Arizona when he became their coordinator before going to Florida State. So he seemingly showed the ability to both scheme and coach up. Or someone did anyway.

 

[BigBlueNathan]

Coach said more than once that he has to recruit harder for the front seven.

A former defensive coordinator saying that after four years.

So.....if we get two four star down linemen this year and a couple of high grade linebackers, then we can expect some result when they are juniors.
After the current offense is gone.
And we are back to we can't score points.
It almost gets comical.

We as fans gotta get out of this microwave mentality and start thinking more like dial up. Rome wasn't built in a day right? I think what we need is to continue chopping wood and everything will fall into place. We're getting highly ranked guys...if only we can get them to stay longer than 4 years rather than going to another team or retiring early.

 

[katwest]

Elite talent covers up suspect coaching and mediocre talent exposes suspect coaching, something has to be done here soon, Elliot may be the first domino to fall.

 

[ukgrad83]

He also did quite well with Arizona when he became their coordinator before going to Florida State. So he seemingly showed the ability to both scheme and coach up. Or someone did anyway.

They were 33-39 overall while he was there. I wouldn't call that quite well.

 

[KentuckyStout]

Mark stoops needs to recruit 5% better and we should be OK.

 

[Comebakatz3]

They were 33-39 overall while he was there. I wouldn't call that quite well.

Their defense improved a ton after his arrival. I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something to the effect that in his third year they were a top 25 defense, whereas before he even arrived they were in the 100s. So, their record might not have reflected improvement, but he only had control over the defense, and not the entire team.

Still, that wasn't pointed out to defend Stoops, all that really matters is what he has done here, and that is under perform. I brought it up simply because it is strange to me that we're doing so poorly on defense when we should be improving. I can't really wrap my heard around it. Stoops said he was calling the plays this past Saturday, but that didn't help any and really seemingly only made things worse.

 

[ukgrad83]

Their defense improved a ton after his arrival. I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something to the effect that in his third year they were a top 25 defense, whereas before he even arrived they were in the 100s. So, their record might not have reflected improvement, but he only had control over the defense, and not the entire team.

Still, that wasn't pointed out to defend Stoops, all that really matters is what he has done here, and that is under perform. I brought it up simply because it is strange to me that we're doing so poorly on defense when we should be improving. I can't really wrap my heard around it. Stoops said he was calling the plays this past Saturday, but that didn't help any and really seemingly only made things worse.

Understood. I didn't know the defensive rating, just looked at the record.

I agree with you 100%.

 

[Poetax]

Coach said more than once that he has to recruit harder for the front seven.

A former defensive coordinator saying that after four years.

So.....if we get two four star down linemen this year and a couple of high grade linebackers, then we can expect some result when they are juniors.
After the current offense is gone.
And we are back to we can't score points.
It almost gets comical.

Bill, you're reaching for something to gripe about. They have failed to recruit DLinemen and some that they did left
so what was he going to say about lack of depth.

 

[Cat06]

It appears that KY fans clamor for an entertaining offense.

When you award an inordinate number of scholarships to receivers (remember we had four (4) tight ends on scholarship, all from Ohio), and concentrate more on the offensive line than the other side, you are setting yourself up for a sub-par defense, especially for the line and LBers. There are simply more smaller football players than larger ones.......

Entertaining offense would be great. And the best part is that this is not the NFL. There is no cap on the quality of player you can bring in based on their skill (salary cap). No one told them to not bring in quality players on both sides of the line.

 

[Blueaz]

Coach said more than once that he has to recruit harder for the front seven.

A former defensive coordinator saying that after four years.

So.....if we get two four star down linemen this year and a couple of high grade linebackers, then we can expect some result when they are juniors.
After the current offense is gone.
And we are back to we can't score points.
It almost gets comical.

be patient, he just needs more time...no way four years is enough to turn around a program.

 

[fuzz77]

Entertaining offense would be great. And the best part is that this is not the NFL. There is no cap on the quality of player you can bring in based on their skill (salary cap). No one told them to not bring in quality players on both sides of the line.

But there is a cap, 85 scholarships with a maximum of 25 in any one year. Pretty sure they have signed 25 every year sending some kids previously on scholarship packing.
Also, who you can get has a lot to do with who you can sign. I am sure they would gladly take any DL that they thought could help them even if it meant letting someone else go. But it does no good to sign someone who can't play.

 

[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

"Their defense improved a ton after his arrival. I don't remember the exact stats, but it was something to the effect that in his third year they were a top 25 defense, whereas before he even arrived they were in the 100s. So, their record might not have reflected improvement, but he only had control over the defense, and not the entire team."

But did he have control over the scheme and what was it??? He may have learned bend then break later on.

 

[merrimanm]

It seems we are learning several things from Stoops and Gran;
1.The players aren't smart enough to grasp and execute the whole playbook (both on offense and defense)
2.Barker has chronic back issues dating back to the summer
3.Stoops took away the run option from Johnson during the game(makes you wonder about Towles not running last year was it Dawson or Stoops?)

There was no need for him to keep it anymore. The RBS were getting big chunKS of yards and are more adapt to take those hits. We already lost 1 QB. When you the RBs ran like they did, then no need to get him more hits. Got to protect him a but more.

 

[KendallCat]

Some people can be great coordinators but horrible head coaches - see Norv Turner as exhibit A. Different skill sets required, and a DC is a MUCH easier job than a head coach. You get 45-50 guys of which 18-20 play plus you have coaches for Dline, lb's, and db's. Head coach has hiring of staff, recruiting oversight, boosters, AD, President, discipline players, create a scheme, organize practices and games plus add 20 other things on top.

In the real world it is like a guy who is a great salesman but a horrible sales manager. Different skill sets. First case is he has to motivate one person - himself. Second case he has to manage 1-1000 people and get them to sell and think like him plus his work ethic, knowledge...

 

[catscratchfever3215]

Out of Stoops first recruiting class only 1 D-Lineman remains. That would be J. Hyde well 2 if you count A. Bell. In the first 2 classes Stoops spent more scholarships on JC players to try and improve the roster. That combined with attrition has put a damper on our depth and plans.

From just the first recruiting class Hatcher, Meant, M. Lewis, and Z. Smith. Then you add in Tubman an C.J. Johnson from the second class. That's 3 players that should still be on the roster. One unfortunately got screwed and never stepped on the field. The other 2 have personal issues. Now without the 3 Jucos our prior teams would have been worse but we could have 3 more DL to choose from.

It is concerning though looking at the classes and seeing the lack of defensive lineman.

Sorry my son grab my phone and sent this while I was making his plate for supper.