Anyone on this board have Crohn's or knows someone with Crohn's?

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My 12 yr old daughter was diagnosed with Crohns one year ago. She gets infusions every 6 weeks (Remicaid sp?). After one year of getting infusions her blood work is coming back normal but her doc wants to do another colonoscopy just to get a close up. I know there is no cure but our hope is that she goes into remissions so that the frequency of infusions goes down. My question to everyone here is anyone currently taking remicade to treat crohns... if so how is it working? I have researched the disease a ton and don't like what I am reading. The doc that treats my daughter tells me I shouldn't rely on the internet for crohns info accept for a few accredited sites. So I am conflicted... is he telling me that so I don't worry about the horrible things to come or is he telling me that because he feels she will be fine. Some of the things I have read is:
1) crohns can lead to colon cancer.
2) It is worse than colitis because colitis can be corrected with surgery whereas crohns cant.

I hate that such an innocent girl has to suffer... I guess it could be way worse (she could have terminal sickness) but as any parent here can attest, any major sickness that happens to your child is heart breaking. Any input from those in the know would be appreciated.
 

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I have something similar.

The biggest thing that has helped, and I fail to follow, but is diet.

Look into a paleo diet, or a no carb diet. Mainly paleo. Diet has been shown to improve symptoms of various autoimmune diseases.

While it's not a cure all, a lot of incomplete information exists, so it's up to you to do a lot of research. But it's a thought. Works for some epilepsy patients as well.

http://robbwolf.com/2013/02/11/healing-chrohns-disease-feel-absolutely-normal-time-10-years/
 
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My 12 yr old daughter was diagnosed with Crohns one year ago. She gets infusions every 6 weeks (Remicaid sp?). After one year of getting infusions her blood work is coming back normal but her doc wants to do another colonoscopy just to get a close up. I know there is no cure but our hope is that she goes into remissions so that the frequency of infusions goes down. My question to everyone here is anyone currently taking remicade to treat crohns... if so how is it working? I have researched the disease a ton and don't like what I am reading. The doc that treats my daughter tells me I shouldn't rely on the internet for crohns info accept for a few accredited sites. So I am conflicted... is he telling me that so I don't worry about the horrible things to come or is he telling me that because he feels she will be fine. Some of the things I have read is:
1) crohns can lead to colon cancer.
2) It is worse than colitis because colitis can be corrected with surgery whereas crohns cant.

I hate that such an innocent girl has to suffer... I guess it could be way worse (she could have terminal sickness) but as any parent here can attest, any major sickness that happens to your child is heart breaking. Any input from those in the know would be appreciated.
I was just diagnosed with colitis last week. As you pointed out, it isn't Crohn's but is part of the IBD family. I've found very few resources that pertain to the disease. I have also been looking around for some kind of support group and haven't found any. There is a kentucky chapter of the Crohn's and colitis foundation, but from what I can tell, isn't very active.

I am still waiting for my follow up with the GI Dr to hopefully discuss treatment and diet. I've not heard of the surgery options. Only thing I've read is that if it gets bad enough they may elect to take out your colon. I am on prednisone right now which has reduced symptims 1000%.

I also thought I read that Crohn's just puts you at greater risk for colon cancer. Could be wrong on that one.

I would ask the questions that you have flat out. Ask her doctor how he would rate his concern and if there are any other therapies or treatments that he would recommend. I would also try to keep involved with both a pediatrician and GI specialist to hopefully get multiple opinions.

I'll keep your daughter in my thoughts. I have 2 of my own and would take all the afflictions in the world if I could keep them away from them. If you come across any support groups or associations, please post them.
 

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MIL has it. Once she's got the urge to crap, she's got about 15 seconds. Poops herself all the time. She's 56 or so, had it for about 20 years, I think. Had multiple GI surgeries.

She's walked in our house before, didn't say a word to anyone, and made a beeline to the bathroom with a pep in her step. Sometimes she makes it, sometimes she doesn't. Always say hi to her when she comes back out.

u r scum
 

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My niece has it. First misdiagnosed as ulcerative colitis (thank you Emory University). Vanderbilt correctly identified it as Crohns. Can't tell you the number of times she has spent lengthy stays in the hospital. She also has narcolepsy and was misdiagnosed as bipolar. Fought a Cdiff infection or three years. Up until recently she was taking 22 different Meds. Doctors at Vandy got her down to 5 or 6.

We'll pray for your daughter
 
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Not sure but message boards are the place to go when a critical health issue for a loved one pops up. I always tell my wife if I have have a heart attack or fall out of a helicopter "To hell with the ER, ask the guys on the Paddock what we should do".
A heart attack isn't the same as crohn's. Reaching out for info or suggestions from people experiencing a long term auto immune deficiency on a public forum isn't that uncommon.

But once again, you've got to get your little ******** quip in for the day at someone else's expense so you can yet again prove that you've got an inverted micro wanker.
 
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My brother in law has it. Constantly using the bathroom after meals. He lost a lot of weight and his appetite but has put it back on ever since going on monthly shots ( I assume this is what you mean by infusions). He said he does feel a lot more "normal" now.

I am sorry for your daughter, I really am. It must be terrible to go through that at such a young age. Good thing is she has time on her side and with the way medicine/science is developing, hopefully they can cure it soon.
 

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My 12 yr old daughter was diagnosed with Crohns one year ago. She gets infusions every 6 weeks (Remicaid sp?). After one year of getting infusions her blood work is coming back normal but her doc wants to do another colonoscopy just to get a close up. I know there is no cure but our hope is that she goes into remissions so that the frequency of infusions goes down. My question to everyone here is anyone currently taking remicade to treat crohns... if so how is it working? I have researched the disease a ton and don't like what I am reading. The doc that treats my daughter tells me I shouldn't rely on the internet for crohns info accept for a few accredited sites. So I am conflicted... is he telling me that so I don't worry about the horrible things to come or is he telling me that because he feels she will be fine. Some of the things I have read is:
1) crohns can lead to colon cancer.
2) It is worse than colitis because colitis can be corrected with surgery whereas crohns cant.

I hate that such an innocent girl has to suffer... I guess it could be way worse (she could have terminal sickness) but as any parent here can attest, any major sickness that happens to your child is heart breaking. Any input from those in the know would be appreciated.

1. Crohn's does increase the risk of colon cancer, but it's a small increase. It also increases the risk of small bowel carcinoma, but that is a less-common cancer and again, the increased rate is small. Ulcerative colitis increases the risk of colon cancer, possibly moreso than Crohn's does. Medications that keep the inflammation under control *may* reduce those increased risks (more data needed).

2. When you say colitis, you need to specify what type. Colitis just means inflammation of the colon. Ulcerative colitis is a specific disease. Crohn's disease can also cauce colitis, but in that case it's called Crohn's colitis. So colitis is non-specific and can mean either ulcerative colitis or Crohn's colitis (or other types as well). Yes, ulcerative colitis can be "cured" by surgical removal of the colon. Crohn's, on the other hand, can't be cured by surgery; if the diseased bowel is removed, Crohn's just comes back in the remaining nearby bowel.
 

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I have something similar.

The biggest thing that has helped, and I fail to follow, but is diet.

Look into a paleo diet, or a no carb diet. Mainly paleo. Diet has been shown to improve symptoms of various autoimmune diseases.

While it's not a cure all, a lot of incomplete information exists, so it's up to you to do a lot of research. But it's a thought. Works for some epilepsy patients as well.

http://robbwolf.com/2013/02/11/healing-chrohns-disease-feel-absolutely-normal-time-10-years/

You have "something similar?" Like what?

"Diet has been shown to improve symptoms of various autoimmune diseases" is a misleading statement to make. One, diet has only been shown to improve symptoms in anecdotes and small studies, which is pretty much worthless. Blogs such as you linked are not science. Larger studies are ongoing now (finally). Two, improving *symptoms* is not the same as improving actual inflammation. Symptoms in autoimmune diseases are easily affected by placebo (tons of research available on that), but reduction in actual inflammation by placebo effect is less common.

So, in all, diet helping symptoms may be nothing more than placebo effect, with no real impact on reducing underlying inflammation. Ongoing studies will shed some light on this.
 
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Not sure but message boards are the place to go when a critical health issue for a loved one pops up. I always tell my wife if I have have a heart attack or fall out of a helicopter "To hell with the ER, ask the guys on the Paddock what we should do".

Having a lifelong, chronic medical condition that largely impacts quality of life but is rarely fatal has what exactly to do with going to the ER for a life-threatening emergency???! Terrible analogy.

ER docs are good at keeping a person alive in the short term. They are not trained in treating Crohn's disease in the long term.
 
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I was just diagnosed with colitis last week. As you pointed out, it isn't Crohn's but is part of the IBD family. I've found very few resources that pertain to the disease. I have also been looking around for some kind of support group and haven't found any. There is a kentucky chapter of the Crohn's and colitis foundation, but from what I can tell, isn't very active.

I am still waiting for my follow up with the GI Dr to hopefully discuss treatment and diet. I've not heard of the surgery options. Only thing I've read is that if it gets bad enough they may elect to take out your colon. I am on prednisone right now which has reduced symptims 1000%.

I also thought I read that Crohn's just puts you at greater risk for colon cancer. Could be wrong on that one.

I would ask the questions that you have flat out. Ask her doctor how he would rate his concern and if there are any other therapies or treatments that he would recommend. I would also try to keep involved with both a pediatrician and GI specialist to hopefully get multiple opinions.

I'll keep your daughter in my thoughts. I have 2 of my own and would take all the afflictions in the world if I could keep them away from them. If you come across any support groups or associations, please post them.

I was wondering what your diagnosis was. So they just said "colitis," or did they specify "ulcerative colitis?" Crohn's colitis and ulcerative colitis often look similar and have similar symptoms, but the treatment in the long term is quite different.

As for the prednisone, yes, it often works well and very quickly, but it's not a long term solution. It's a double-edged sword - it makes you feel better fast but it does more harm than good in the long term (side effects of long-term prednisone use are BAD). So you shouldn't be on it more than a few weeks, and you should work with your GI to make a plan to get on a proper maintenance medication and ween off the steroids as quickly as you can.

The maintenance medication(s) you choose will depend on whether it's UC or Crohn's, how severe the disease looked on the colonoscopy, and where exactly in the colon the disease is located.
 

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My 12 yr old daughter was diagnosed with Crohns one year ago. She gets infusions every 6 weeks (Remicaid sp?). After one year of getting infusions her blood work is coming back normal but her doc wants to do another colonoscopy just to get a close up.

It's a good idea to do a colonoscopy every year or two, and possibly an MRI of the small bowel every year or two as well, to see what the disease looks like. Blood tests are not a reliable indicator of disease state for Crohn's.

If she is on Remicade and it is working, STAY ON IT and don't even think about reducing infusions. The fears of the infusions are understandable but in actuality are irrational. Remicade has its risks, but untreated, or undertreated Crohn's disease has even more risks. So if it works, keep on it, and resist the urge to decrease treatment until she gets through her adolescence - because her critical growth years are coming up, and it's important to keep the Crohn's under control during that time. Otherwise she may not grow properly during her teens.
 
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I was wondering what your diagnosis was. So they just said "colitis," or did they specify "ulcerative colitis?" Crohn's colitis and ulcerative colitis often look similar and have similar symptoms, but the treatment in the long term is quite different.

As for the prednisone, yes, it often works well and very quickly, but it's not a long term solution. It's a double-edged sword - it makes you feel better fast but it does more harm than good in the long term (side effects of long-term prednisone use are BAD). So you shouldn't be on it more than a few weeks, and you should work with your GI to make a plan to get on a proper maintenance medication and ween off the steroids as quickly as you can.

The maintenance medication(s) you choose will depend on whether it's UC or Crohn's, how severe the disease looked on the colonoscopy, and where exactly in the colon the disease is located.
Sorry. I just abbreviate UC to colitis being this early in my diagnosis. The GI said after the scope that it looked like a pretty severe case (I was out, this was second hand from my wife). Still waiting for the biopsy results to (I assume) confirm and go from there.
 

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You have "something similar?" Like what?

"Diet has been shown to improve symptoms of various autoimmune diseases" is a misleading statement to make. One, diet has only been shown to improve symptoms in anecdotes and small studies, which is pretty much worthless. Blogs such as you linked are not science. Larger studies are ongoing now (finally). Two, improving *symptoms* is not the same as improving actual inflammation. Symptoms in autoimmune diseases are easily affected by placebo (tons of research available on that), but reduction in actual inflammation by placebo effect is less common.

So, in all, diet helping symptoms may be nothing more than placebo effect, with no real impact on reducing underlying inflammation. Ongoing studies will shed some light on this.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1542356507012001

The cumulative risk of subsequent autoimmune disease was lower in patients compliant to a gluten-free diet versus noncompliant patients.

From a different scholarly journal.

Conclusion Timing of introduction of gluten into the infant diet is associated with the appearance of CDA in children at increased risk for the disease.


A third article.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2002.10719248

So besides your lack of ability to use google scholar, and reading comp, I said it helps, not cures. Grats on being a total jackass on a subject that a poster wants help that he hasn't found from the established medical field. To say there is no benefit is insanely stupid, even if you are a murse.

Many people in the autoimmune community have found diet to ease their pains. So blogs help. There are also studies backing this.

Good luck OP, hope you find relief.
 
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Bunch of old naggy crones live in my grandma's neighborhood. Good at making cookies and absolutely excellent at judging. Would not do any of them.
 

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1542356507012001

The cumulative risk of subsequent autoimmune disease was lower in patients compliant to a gluten-free diet versus noncompliant patients.

From a different scholarly journal.

Conclusion Timing of introduction of gluten into the infant diet is associated with the appearance of CDA in children at increased risk for the disease.


A third article.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07315724.2002.10719248

So besides your lack of ability to use google scholar, and reading comp, I said it helps, not cures. Grats on being a total jackass on a subject that a poster wants help that he hasn't found from the established medical field. To say there is no benefit is insanely stupid, even if you are a murse.

Many people in the autoimmune community have found diet to ease their pains. So blogs help. There are also studies backing this.

Good luck OP, hope you find relief.


I read the Paddock enough to know that getting into an argument with you is no more productive than arguing with the chimps at the San Diego Zoo, but I'll say this much:

You can use Google Scholar to find a small study that says just about anything. But as any researcher in the field will tell you, conclusions such as the ones you are trying to make ARE NOT accepted until they can be reproduced in multiple studies, or in large meta-analysis aggregations of several well-done smaller studies.

But if only the OP had the ability to go back in time and not introduce gluten to his daughter at a young age, perhaps there's a small chance she wouldn't have Crohn's disease now? THAT is your contribution? [pfftt]

Show me multiple studies that show a benefit to Crohn's in removing gluten from one's diet once the person has IBD.

Same with omega-3 fatty acids. Small studies that have shown benefit have not been successfully reproduced in larger studies.

As to the attempted insult in calling me a murse, guess again.

And as to calling me a total jackass on the subject, tell us again what kind of IBD you have? You see, I have Crohn's, and have had it since the 1980s. And my brother has UC.

So eff off.
 

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Sorry. I just abbreviate UC to colitis being this early in my diagnosis. The GI said after the scope that it looked like a pretty severe case (I was out, this was second hand from my wife). Still waiting for the biopsy results to (I assume) confirm and go from there.

How much pred are you on? 40mg or so?

The goal, long term, is to A) keep the disease under control (in total remission or near remission) B) do so *without* taking steroids.

Steroids like prednisone work quickly but don't work long term and have bad long-term side effects. Two newer steroid formulations, Entocort and Uceris, work in the colon and are less absorbed into the rest of the body. They are expensive and not quite as effective as prednisone, but generally have fewer side effects and can be used more frequently.

Long term meds:

For mild UC one can start out with the 5-ASA medications, also called mesalamines, which includes Lialda, Pentasa, Asacol, etc. You take several pills a day. Most people have little or no side effects from these meds.

For more severe disease, imuran, 6mp, or methotrexate are often used. These are immunusuppressants, old cancer drugs or organ transplant drugs that are used in lower doses to dampen down the immune system. They require frequent blood tests, especially at first, to make sure the liver is ok and that there isn't too much bone marrow suppression. Lots of people, but not all, experience nausea from these meds; sometimes it goes away, sometimes it doesn't. These meds can take several weeks, even 3-6 months, to kick in and help.

But in the last 15 years or so, there has been a revolution in treatment of IBD with the introduction of so-called biologic medications. These are the most effective meds for moderate to severe disease. They are given as infusions or subcutaneous injections. They are expensive, and the side-effect list scares lots of people, but the reality is that they are far safer than prednisone (which, for whatever reason, doesn't scare people nearly as much). These meds include Remicade, Humira, Simponi, and Entyvio. More are coming down the pipeline. These meds are by far the best (but still not 100% effective) in showing significant healing of the bowel.

One problem is that over time they often stop working. People develop antibodies to them. Studies have shown that combining a med such as imuran, 6mp, or methotrexate ALONG WITH the biologic drug decreases the odds of developing antibodies, so for an adult with severe disease, that is the recommended plan of attack - a combination immunosuppressant and a biologic.
 

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By the way, LEK tries to insult my reading comprehension, but this is the sentence he wrote:

"The biggest thing that has helped, and I fail to follow, but is diet." [eyeroll]
 

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I read the Paddock enough to know that getting into an argument with you is no more productive than arguing with the chimps at the San Diego Zoo, but I'll say this much:

You can use Google Scholar to find a small study that says just about anything. But as any researcher in the field will tell you, conclusions such as the ones you are trying to make ARE NOT accepted until they can be reproduced in multiple studies, or in large meta-analysis aggregations of several well-done smaller studies.

But if only the OP had the ability to go back in time and not introduce gluten to his daughter at a young age, perhaps there's a small chance she wouldn't have Crohn's disease now? THAT is your contribution? [pfftt]

Show me multiple studies that show a benefit to Crohn's in removing gluten from one's diet once the person has IBD.

Same with omega-3 fatty acids. Small studies that have shown benefit have not been successfully reproduced in larger studies.

As to the attempted insult in calling me a murse, guess again.

And as to calling me a total jackass on the subject, tell us again what kind of IBD you have? You see, I have Crohn's, and have had it since the 1980s. And my brother has UC.

So eff off.
So to recap, I post studies, you don't. You say all of them are invalid based of your opinion, yet, I'm the chimp. You said diet has no effect, which studies clearly show an effect greater than placebo.

Got it, you 're a complete dumbass.

Also, fairly amusing, your trump card is you have it, which is also anecdotal.

The reason you're a jackass, is because diet helps. You then try to come at me because I gave an alternative to try. You picked the argument.

So when I post studies, they're invalid because of small sample size? You have no idea how statistics work. What a donkey...
 

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By the way, LEK tries to insult my reading comprehension, but this is the sentence he wrote:

"The biggest thing that has helped, and I fail to follow, but is diet." [eyeroll]
You attack superficial posting error. You have an error in logic. Please tell me more how diet has no effect because of your opinion and ignore the science which shows it does.

Stupid hill jack.

Edit: And reading comp and grammar mistake are two different things. What a clown...
 
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OP needs to ignore anybody linking blogs about diets, etc.

<- Crohns and been on Remicade for roughly a decade. Love that stuff (honestly might've ended up on disability had it not been for Remicade), but I am a bit of a slave to it.

Make sure she always has good health insurance. If she has to get a single infusion that isn't covered, you'll be paying that **** off for years.
 
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You want studies? Here's a study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20564531

"There are insufficient data to recommend the use of omega 3 fatty acids for maintenance of remission in CD and UC."

See, we can play that game all day long. That's why I said what I did - that you can find a study to support whatever you want. That's why it's important to look at the totality of studies out there and not just cherry pick those that support your position.

Signed,
Stupid Hill Jack
 

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You attack superficial posting error. You have an error in logic. Please tell me more how diet has no effect because of your opinion and ignore the science which shows it does.

Stupid hill jack.

Edit: And reading comp and grammar mistake are two different things. What a clown...

Here's an error in logic:

How can you know diet "has helped" when
A) You then go on to say you don't follow it
B) You haven't even told us what disease you supposedly have
C) You are talking about a disease that often goes into remission with no intervention whatsoever, meaning that even if one did start a specific diet and then go into remission, it does not necessarily mean that the diet is what caused the person to go into remission. For example, I have flared and later gone into remission multiple times with no intervention, no meds, and no dietary changes. It's the nature of the disease to do so, although it is true that that more severe cases are far less likely to experience remissions without intervention.
 

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4097150/

"Taken together, almost all studies suggest some beneficial effects of n-3 PUFAs in IBD but the mechanism remains controversial. In addition, clinical benefit seems to be largely confined to ulcerative colitis. However all studies have concluded that these compounds have no potential for a steroid/aminosalicylic acid sparing effect or to maintain remission." (my emphasis added)
 

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My mom had ulcerative colitis. Nearly died from it. It got so bad that they removed her large intestines back in the early 70s. She has an internal pouch (don't remember what it's called). As I recall, it was an experimental surgery at the time. Done at UK Med Center. She's 78 now and doing very well. Good luck to all of you who suffer from one of these GD IBD problems.
 

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My 12 yr old daughter was diagnosed with Crohns one year ago. She gets infusions every 6 weeks (Remicaid sp?). After one year of getting infusions her blood work is coming back normal but her doc wants to do another colonoscopy just to get a close up. I know there is no cure but our hope is that she goes into remissions so that the frequency of infusions goes down. My question to everyone here is anyone currently taking remicade to treat crohns... if so how is it working? I have researched the disease a ton and don't like what I am reading. The doc that treats my daughter tells me I shouldn't rely on the internet for crohns info accept for a few accredited sites. So I am conflicted... is he telling me that so I don't worry about the horrible things to come or is he telling me that because he feels she will be fine. Some of the things I have read is:
1) crohns can lead to colon cancer.
2) It is worse than colitis because colitis can be corrected with surgery whereas crohns cant.

I hate that such an innocent girl has to suffer... I guess it could be way worse (she could have terminal sickness) but as any parent here can attest, any major sickness that happens to your child is heart breaking. Any input from those in the know would be appreciated.


I have a nephew with Crohn's that is a senior in high school, about to go away to college this fall. He takes medication and is good about watching his diet.
He is doing good now, and is going strong.

I wish the same for your daughter!
 

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I was diagnosed with diverticulitis back in December. Put me on two meds for two weeks and then got a colon check. Everything came back crystal clear thankfully. They said it might never come back. I am not sure how that compares to Crohns or the other medical issues on here discussed, but it was not fun. Constant ache in lower waist line and finally went to the doctor. Referred me to an specialist and said they could see me in a month. Went directly to the hospital and that is where I was diagnosed. Saw the specialist in two days after the hospital visit.

Will keep your daughter in my thoughts. Nothing like that should happen to someone so young and innocent. Can you tell I have a 3.5 yr old daughter?
 

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4097150/

"Taken together, almost all studies suggest some beneficial effects of n-3 PUFAs in IBD but the mechanism remains controversial. In addition, clinical benefit seems to be largely confined to ulcerative colitis. However all studies have concluded that these compounds have no potential for a steroid/aminosalicylic acid sparing effect or to maintain remission." (my emphasis added)
I mean, this guy, he didn't even read his own article he linked:

CONCLUSION
Taken together, almost all studies suggest some beneficial effects of n-3 PUFAs in IBD.

What a stupid touching hill Jack monkey.

Anyone that tells you diet has no effect is a touching retard. No, it's not a cure, no one is arguing that.

The blogs are a link to the community of other Chrones Disease members who have found some benefits to diet change.

Edit: he did later, but only to cover up the part he obviously missed [roll]
 
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4097150/

"Taken together, almost all studies suggest some beneficial effects of n-3 PUFAs in IBD but the mechanism remains controversial. In addition, clinical benefit seems to be largely confined to ulcerative colitis. However all studies have concluded that these compounds have no potential for a steroid/aminosalicylic acid sparing effect or to maintain remission." (my emphasis added)
Read the first part dumbass. Diet has an effect.

I'm done, the hill Jack is too stupid to see he's linking a study that supports my argument.

Not only that, the scope is for fish oil. What a clown.