Yea, I wouldn't say anything either. You made a stupid argument and got destroyed. But grats on linking studies that proved my point hill Jack. Best to run along now.
Anyone on this board have Crohn's or knows someone with Crohn's?
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This. Dude said diet doesn't effect it, then proceeds to link studies that show diet has an effect.
I don't get it. Then he points to misspelled word as his "ah ha" moment. Yea, hill jack got me good...
Because Crohn's is not irritable bowel syndrome (IBS)
It is a form of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), which is essentially an immunologic disease
IBD is an entirely different and much more serious condition than IBS.
Lots of ****. Except it is often bloody **** instead of indigestion/loose **** (IBS).
Crohn's & UC are treated by targeting the immune system, not the gut. Big gun medications.
IBS is treated with diet modifications and antidepressants, etc.
Vanderbilt is not a sham. Diet recommendations in the setting of IBD symptoms are not a sham.
Acting like diet modifications are central to the treatment/relief of IBD *is* a sham. That's the issue BeaveUKGT was addressing.
My wife has Chrones Disease. It is a horrible disease during flare ups. She recently started remicaid (sp) and has shown great improvement so far.
Our Suggestions: Drink lots of water and find which foods they show best results with. My wife found that she had to cut red meat out of her diet completely and eat mostly bland and fresh foods. Exercise and stay positive!
I will pray for your daughter brother.
Our Suggestions: Drink lots of water and find which foods they show best results with. My wife found that she had to cut red meat out of her diet completely and eat mostly bland and fresh foods. Exercise and stay positive!
I will pray for your daughter brother.
You can't even spell the name of the disease correctly, but you're an expert. Uh huh, sure, ok.
LEK is the embodiment of Dunning-Kruger:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
it was a bunch of vague pseudoscience about the antiinflammatory properties of paleo diets, fish oil, etc., plus a passing shot at the "medical establishment".
the meds are FDA approved and covered by insurance for a reason. Humana ain't covering a $1k/week medication if diet could've helped the issue.
Regardless, the pseudoscience being hawked ITT will always haunt IBD (and most immunologic/rheumatologic) research because there's no chance in hell that an oversight body will approve a double-blind clinical study that pits "diet!" or "stress management!" against true medical therapy for moderate or severe IBD.
You're only going to see those types of studies in very mild IBD populations where patients could certainly maintain subclinical symptoms by taking a truckload of fiber supplements. It doesn't change the underlying inflammatory state, though.
Not just any word, but the NAME OF THE DAMN DISEASE BEING DISCUSSED. Kinda important, wouldn't you say?
Uhm, that's a common error, but a huge difference between those two similar-sounding words.
It's like comparing migraines to multiple sclerosis.
Did your grandma blame your Crohn's on "eating too much fast food once you went off to college"? I got that at least once per month from various naive and (unintentionally) patronizing relatives when I was first diagnosed.
my favorite medical typo is when somebody is trying to describe a state of having pus. they type "*****" and never stop to think about it.
Fortunately, no, I haven't gotten many patronizing comments like that regarding what I eat, at least not from family members. They know that I've been a healthy eater since I was in high school (I had dreams then of being a big time tennis player and was obsessed with health/fitness). I did get some diet "suggestions" from coworkers, but mostly stuff in good fun (like blaming it on my frequent eating of peanut butter and suggesting I could heal myself if only I'd eat some of those donuts).
Also, I first got sick in high school, when I was eating very well (parents had a veggie garden, mother cooked fresh food nearly every night). When I went to college and ate dorm food all the time, I did fine for the first several years. Only when I was finishing up grad school did I get really sick again.
You said your MIL has had multiple surgeries. Likely that means she has had a section of her terminal ileum removed (that is the most common area for Crohn's to occur). The terminal ileum is where bile is reabsorbed, bile being secreted by the gall bladder after a fatty meal is ingested. If a fatty meal is ingested but the terminal ileum isn't there to reabsorb the bile, then bile salt diarrhea results.
So somebody who has had their TI removed either needs to take bile acid binders or avoid fatty foods. So Vandy's advice makes perfect sense, not in that it will aid in treating the inflammation from her IBD, but that it will improve her symptoms related to her post-surgical anatomy.
Only on the paddock could the discussion of a little girl's Crohn's disease turn into a vile and venomous pissing contest. Amazing.
I am also becoming increasingly convinced that LEK is Z.
I am also becoming increasingly convinced that LEK is Z.
No he wasn't at all.
No one said diet was a cure nor central element, just merely a factor. He said it had no effect, which is stupid.
I said diet has an effect, you claim it doesn't.
I never claimed it was a cure all. That's the stupid hill Jack **** you and lamo are missing. No ****, you need meds.
Diet has an effect. For you to claim it doesn't help is idiotic. This is why your argument fails.
But keep arguing stupid ****...
Misspelling a word is not a logical fallacy. Claiming diet has no effect when all people claim it plays a part in treatment is.
God bless, you're stupid as ****.
Yea, I should just ignore all medical science and medical professionals that show diet has an effect, based off one hill Jack.
My bad.
As the President (Jack Nicholsen) says in "Mars Attacks" ----can't we all just...get along??
It is no fun, you are right. Just reading the posts brought to my mind that quote from one of my favorite movies.
Keep smacking LEK. He's very close to one of his parented meltdowns where he tells everybody he helped start the dleague. Really the only good posts he makes, tbh.
The resident uneducated disability check receiving dunce has spoken.
Awesome that my tax dollars go to paying for your internet access so I can read such quality.
Smart (without being an egghead like ... well, you know who), civil (mostly) and a sense of humor doth a good poster make.
Since inflammation reduces the size of the anus, does that mean Crones/IBD/UC make you fart louder?
Absolutely
A simple frequency analyzer could replace billions of dollars of expensive tests. You're welcome, Mr. President. Glad I could save your healthcare system
That's a low-specificity test, though, since toasted anuses make a similar sound
Positive vibes sent. I hope your daughter gets better.
You're wasting your time asking for advice from these Paddock douchebags, especially D-Leaguers. They sit around in their little thread talking about stupid crap like the weather and what they did today. Then they creep around the message boards spewing venom at anyone who they think aren't as cool as they are. They're kind of like a half-assed version of the Flintstones Water Buffaloes, but less interesting. Some are okay in their big jack fest, but most aren't worth 2 *****. Then after the know-it-alls get done talking ****, they go back to their little thread and talk about how they got over on the Raftards. They then resume their circle-jerk.
The Paddock never disappoints.
You're wasting your time asking for advice from these Paddock douchebags, especially D-Leaguers. They sit around in their little thread talking about stupid crap like the weather and what they did today. Then they creep around the message boards spewing venom at anyone who they think aren't as cool as they are. They're kind of like a half-assed version of the Flintstones Water Buffaloes, but less interesting. Some are okay in their big jack fest, but most aren't worth 2 *****. Then after the know-it-alls get done talking ****, they go back to their little thread and talk about how they got over on the Raftards. They then resume their circle-jerk.
The Paddock never disappoints.
See how they prove my point? Over and over and over. They're not too bright either. Hey Bucket$, welcome to ignore.
If you hate the thread so much, why did you keep trying to post in it over and over again ?