Arkansas AD pushes for NIL enforcement

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This is a total no-brainer to me. Nico’s brother signed there in January, got an NIL deal, never so much as took a snap in a game and then transferred to UCLA. Doesn’t have to pay back his NIL. No penalties. It’s a totally bizarre system.
 

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I don't know much about how NIL works, but isn't there a contract involved? If so, it sounds like that was a very poorly drafted one.
 

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I don't know much about how NIL works, but isn't there a contract involved? If so, it sounds like that was a very poorly drafted one.
My guess is that schools have largely wanted to avoid the optics of going after transferring players to recoup money for fear it would hurt them with future transfers.
 

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My guess is that schools have largely wanted to avoid the optics of going after transferring players to recoup money for fear it would hurt them with future transfers.

That, and isn't the contract between a collective and the player, not the school? Meaning the collective would have to chase the player.
 

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Only contracts will remediate this crap. Nothing else will suffice. This needs to happen this calendar year.
 

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Only contracts will remediate this crap. Nothing else will suffice. This needs to happen this calendar year.

Okay, maybe a lawyer could clear this up. But my understanding was that it was a deal with the collective and the player, and that OFFICIALLY, the school could not be involved?

Has that finally changed?

If so, you're spot on. Sign a deal for a year or two or three and negotiate.
 

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Only contracts will remediate this crap. Nothing else will suffice. This needs to happen this calendar year.
I see NFL players, with a valid contract that THEY SIGNED, go on hold out for more. If they don't honor a contract they agreed to, I've never understood why anyone would want their worthless signature on a new one.
 

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I see NFL players, with a valid contract that THEY SIGNED, go on hold out for more. If they don't honor a contract they agreed to, I've never understood why anyone would want their worthless signature on a new one.
But teams have the option to trade them as well as cut them, and the player can find himself left on the curb. The trading option might have to be incorporated in college. EVERYTHING that pertains to the professional model might have to be incorporated in college. Why not?
 

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Okay, maybe a lawyer could clear this up. But my understanding was that it was a deal with the collective and the player, and that OFFICIALLY, the school could not be involved?

Has that finally changed?

If so, you're spot on. Sign a deal for a year or two or three and negotiate.
It's about to change with the advent of direct payments from schools to athletes impending. Actually, that should take schools out of the NIL process altogether. Pro teams don't line up endorsements for players. That's why players have agents, and accountants. These guys want to be paid; show them everything that being a pro entails.
 

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They are going after him for $200,000. Seems their contract had provisions that would allow them to claw back money in a scenario like this.
 
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That, and isn't the contract between a collective and the player, not the school? Meaning the collective would have to chase the player.
Sure, but one would assume a contract between the collective and the player would require some performance on the part of the player. If it didn't and the collectives are just throwing money at players without requiring something in return, they deserve whatever foolishness that follows. People shouldn't be surprised when dumb decisions yield dumb results.
 
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Sure, but one would assume a contract between the collective and the player would require some performance on the part of the player. If it didn't and the collectives are just throwing money at players without requiring something in return, they deserve whatever foolishness that follows. People shouldn't be surprised when dumb decisions yield dumb results.
I think the contracts have evolved. In one article about the situation ant Arkansas, a lawyer noted that it’s basically the wild West right now in terms of NIL contracts. There is no guidance or regulation on how they’re made, so collectives are free to craft whatever language they want. Early on, it seems that the clamor for schools to get ahead of the NIL crowd led to there not being much of a requirement on the players part. However, as the portal has absolutely blown up, schools are now starting to put language in the contracts that requires certain things from the players and protects the collective. Apparently the Arkansas collective had such language in their contract so they believe they should be able to get back about $200,000.
 

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Sure, but one would assume a contract between the collective and the player would require some performance on the part of the player. If it didn't and the collectives are just throwing money at players without requiring something in return, they deserve whatever foolishness that follows. People shouldn't be surprised when dumb decisions yield dumb results.

I was under the impression that is exactly what it was. At least up until the schools get involved.

The collectives could not stipulate pay for play, so they did things like appearances and autograph signing events.
 

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The collectives could not stipulate pay for play, so they did things like appearances and autograph signing events.
It will be interesting to see if this UCLA player still shows up for appearances and autograph signing events in AR in October and November so that he lives up to his end of the bargain. :ROFLMAO:

Of course this all illustrates the unsustainable state of the current NIL climate in college football. They can't stipulate pay-for-play - so they twist and contort the contract into something that can't even be taken that seriously.

Oh, well, it's not my money. I'm too busy funding my own kid's upcoming college expenses to worry about throwing money at other random kids I don't even know.
 
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I see NFL players, with a valid contract that THEY SIGNED, go on hold out for more. If they don't honor a contract they agreed to, I've never understood why anyone would want their worthless signature on a new one.
NFL players get penalized, through fines, missed bonuses, and game checks for holding out under contract. They don't get off free like these kids, and yes, from how the system works now, the Collective would have to chase down the kid. Players don't have a contract with the school.