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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
 

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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Seriously?

There are exactly 2 Big Ten coaches who have even been around 10 years.
One of those played UM and OSU 20 times in those 10 years.
The other played them 6 times.
 

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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Kinda unfair to Ryan Day. This is only his fifth year coaching and he doesn't coach against OSU (didn't play Michigan in COVID 2020). Also unfiar to Harbaugh, but he deserves it.
 

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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
interesting. Do you know the number of games played against OSU and Mich for each coach listed? thank you
 
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Midnighter

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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1

Seriously?

There are exactly 2 Big Ten coaches who have even been around 10 years.
One of those played UM and OSU 20 times in those 10 years.
The other played them 6 times.

Right - completely ignores all the success Michigan State has had against Michigan, including an 8-6 record going back to 2010 (their winning coaches, of course, are not currently active). Wisconsin is 4-3 against Michigan going back to 2010 (noting they do not play every year). Ohio State is really the only true outlier in the conference and that is because of this:

Average Rivals Recruiting Rankings by Team (since 2014, Franklin's first year):

Ohio State - 3.75
Michigan - 15.5
Penn State - 14.1

Michigan has a massive outlier in 2015 when they had the 50th(!!!) ranked class in the country. But, they're generally not a lot better than Penn State, if at all. Which is where 'expectations' arise - it will take A LOT of things to go right to beat OSU (which really, should be treated like Bama) in a given year, and a lot of them did this year (new QB, key starters out, playing at home, etc.), which is why people are upset at the result. Beating Michigan should definitely happen more often than it does given how close our roster talent is (the Blue Chip Ratio puts PSU's roster ahead of Michigan's this year, noting it's in aggregate, and doesn't account for who is/isn't playing).

Consider Joe's 2005 team - the recruiting rankings for the 2002 - 2005 classes were as follows: 21, 93, 14, 25. The 2005 team famously went 11-1 and finished 3rd. If you remove the 2000 - 2004 seasons, and just go with Joe's record from 2005 to 2011, he wins two Big Ten Championships, has three top ten finishes, goes 4-3 in Bowls and has the following recruiting class rankings:

2005 - 25
2006 - 6
2007 - 24
2008 - 43
2009 - 24
2010 - 12
2011 - 35

He had ONE class ranked in the top ten. How would our current coaching staff do with the 43rd ranked recruiting class in the country? So - expectations? We should beat Michigan a lot more than we do.
 

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Kinda unfair to Ryan Day. This is only his fifth year coaching and he doesn't coach against OSU (didn't play Michigan in COVID 2020). Also unfiar to Harbaugh, but he deserves it.
Agree! Take out Day and Harbaugh. 3 coaches have at least 1 win vs. OSU/Michigan. One has 4, One has 2. One has 1. So, of the 7 conference wins in the last 10 vs. OSU/Michigan, Franklin has 4 or 57% of the conference wins vs. OSU/Michigan. Statistics can be fun and manipulated.
 

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Right - completely ignores all the success Michigan State has had against Michigan, including an 8-6 record going back to 2010 (their winning coaches, of course, are not currently active). Wisconsin is 4-3 against Michigan going back to 2010 (noting they do not play every year). Ohio State is really the only true outlier in the conference and that is because of this:

Average Rivals Recruiting Rankings by Team (since 2014, Franklin's first year):

Ohio State - 3.75
Michigan - 15.5
Penn State - 14.1

Michigan has a massive outlier in 2015 when they had the 50th(!!!) ranked class in the country. But, they're generally not a lot better than Penn State, if at all. Which is where 'expectations' arise - it will take A LOT of things to go right to beat OSU (which really, should be treated like Bama) in a given year, and a lot of them did this year (new QB, key starters out, playing at home, etc.), which is why people are upset at the result. Beating Michigan should definitely happen more often than it does given how close our roster talent is (the Blue Chip Ratio puts PSU's roster ahead of Michigan's this year, noting it's in aggregate, and doesn't account for who is/isn't playing).

Consider Joe's 2005 team - the recruiting rankings for the 2002 - 2005 classes were as follows: 21, 93, 14, 25. The 2005 team famously went 11-1 and finished 3rd. If you remove the 2000 - 2004 seasons, and just go with Joe's record from 2005 to 2011, he wins two Big Ten Championships, has three top ten finishes, goes 4-3 in Bowls and has the following recruiting class rankings:

2005 - 25
2006 - 6
2007 - 24
2008 - 43
2009 - 24
2010 - 12
2011 - 35

He had ONE class ranked in the top ten. How would our current coaching staff do with the 43rd ranked recruiting class in the country? So - expectations? We should beat Michigan a lot more than we do.
You make a lot of similar points I've been trying to call attention to lately—well framed and supported. Theoretically, Michigan should be a back-and-forth situation with PSU like they were for a time a few years ago at this point.

Under Franklin, recruiting has seen a consistent uptick in caliber and rankings than things were prior to his arrival. It's the quality I like most about him as head coach. The issue is what happens after those highly talented kids arrive on campus. I've not seen the same consistency with player development, especially at some very key positions on offense.
 

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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
It's pretty hard for Ryan Day and Jim Harbaugh to beat their own team.
 

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I don't think we should compare ourselves with anyone other than UM/OSU in the B1G. There are 3 championship caliber programs in the B1G. Let the rest fight over being the best of the rest.
This is correct. The fact that other programs aren’t successful against tOSU/UM isn’t relevant. We are Penn State. We have national championships. Why are we comparing ourselves to the likes of Northwestern? We should absolutely be holding ourselves up to Michigan.
 

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You make a lot of similar points I've been trying to call attention to lately—well framed and supported. Theoretically, Michigan should be a back-and-forth situation with PSU like they were for a time a few years ago at this point.

Under Franklin, recruiting has seen a consistent uptick in caliber and rankings than things were prior to his arrival. It's the quality I like most about him as head coach. The issue is what happens after those highly talented kids arrive on campus. I've not seen the same consistency with player development, especially at some very key positions on offense.
These are my thoughts exactly! @Midnighter laid it out perfectly.

This isn't like the NFL where longer contracts result in roughly the same team taking the field year after year. If the same kids kept getting beat over and over, it would be more understandable to me. We've had so many different kids/teams come and go over Franklin's tenure, but fall short with all of them. So if we recruit roughly the same talent that Michigan does, what gives? Only one answer.

With Ohio State averaging roughly the 4th best class each year, even those losses are more understandable to me. Our teams on paper are 10 spots lower on average. So playing them close, within a score or two, seems to be expected. Not saying I like it. You would think our coaching / schemes could make up for it once in a while.

But the Michigan part doesn't add up.
 

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These are my thoughts exactly! @Midnighter laid it out perfectly.

This isn't like the NFL where longer contracts result in roughly the same team taking the field year after year. If the same kids kept getting beat over and over, it would be more understandable to me. We've had so many different kids/teams come and go over Franklin's tenure, but fall short with all of them. So if we recruit roughly the same talent that Michigan does, what gives? Only one answer.

With Ohio State averaging roughly the 4th best class each year, even those losses are more understandable to me. Our teams on paper are 10 spots lower on average. So playing them close, within a score or two, seems to be expected. Not saying I like it. You would think our coaching / schemes could make up for it once in a while.

But the Michigan part doesn't add up.
It makes perfect sense considering the PSU head coach believes that it was right to go for two when down by 9 late in the game. I'm not even mentioning the two point try at the end of the first half. We really are unrivaled at beating ourselves with this head coach.
 
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It makes perfect sense considering the PSU head coach believes that it was right to go for two when down by 9 late in the game. I'm not even mentioning the two point try at the end of the first half. We really are unrivaled at beating ourselves with this head coach.

And we had John Urschel at our disposal.
 
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Active Big Ten coaches with the most wins against Ohio State and Michigan: Kirk Ferentz: 9
James Franklin: 4
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
Everyone else: 0

In the last 10 seasons:
James Franklin: 4
Kirk Ferentz: 2
Jim Harbaugh: 2
Ryan Day: 1
Tom Allen: 1
And OSU has only lost twice since Day became head coach.
 

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These are my thoughts exactly! @Midnighter laid it out perfectly.

This isn't like the NFL where longer contracts result in roughly the same team taking the field year after year. If the same kids kept getting beat over and over, it would be more understandable to me. We've had so many different kids/teams come and go over Franklin's tenure, but fall short with all of them. So if we recruit roughly the same talent that Michigan does, what gives? Only one answer.

With Ohio State averaging roughly the 4th best class each year, even those losses are more understandable to me. Our teams on paper are 10 spots lower on average. So playing them close, within a score or two, seems to be expected. Not saying I like it. You would think our coaching / schemes could make up for it once in a while.

But the Michigan part doesn't add up.
Hint It’s called cheating. Harbaugh 49-22 in the Big before Michigan began off campus sign stealing in 2021. Has gone 38-3 since. Michigan also has lost its last 6 bowl games where it couldn’t do advance sign stealing.
 
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Hint It’s called cheating. Harbaugh 49-22 in the Big before Michigan began off campus sign stealing in 2021. Has gone 38-3 since. Michigan also has lost its last 6 bowl games where it couldn’t do advance sign stealing.
Wrong again...they did do it in advance of the playoffs. Didn't you hear? TCU found out (from Ohio State) and changed signals before the game and thus we got double crossed leading to us losing the game.
 

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Hint It’s called cheating. Harbaugh 49-22 in the Big before Michigan began off campus sign stealing in 2021. Has gone 38-3 since. Michigan also has lost its last 6 bowl games where it couldn’t do advance sign stealing.
Possibly. But that feels like a convenient excuse.
 

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Hint It’s called cheating. Harbaugh 49-22 in the Big before Michigan began off campus sign stealing in 2021. Has gone 38-3 since. Michigan also has lost its last 6 bowl games where it couldn’t do advance sign stealing.

It's definitely possible. I want to see what the NCAA has before making their success all about cheating. That said - it should be 35-3 since 2021 (still excellent).