Bama decommit after gray shirt offer

[NavyCat88]

3star LB Riley Cole just decommitted from Bama after being offered a gray shirt.

Could be worth a look.

Article linked.
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/alabama-asks-recruit-to-grayshirt-he-declines-and-de-commits

 

[Crushgroove]

Hair game on point. My man has switched from the straight-up Brodie Croyle to the faux hawk in just 4 years of HS.

 

[DCFseattle]

Is there benefit at all on the player's side of a greyshirt?

Seems more like an insult than anything. "Do nothing, and we'll call if we need you."

They can't even enroll at the school, if i read that right?

Who takes that?

 

[cat888]

Is there benefit at all on the player's side of a greyshirt?

Seems more like an insult than anything. "Do nothing, and we'll call if we need you."

They can't even enroll at the school, if i read that right?

Who takes that?

If I understand correctly it gives 5 and 1/2 years or 6 Springs to play 4 years so it could help a lot in developing if player try's and doesn't make it after 2 years he can transfer to a lower division and still have 3 or 4 years to play if he hasn't played any. He gains a Spring in other words to develop. Rules change and I may have never had it right..

 

[Real Deal 2]

Think it's the timing of it all. Apparently happened last week and was broached with him. We signed the kid from Ga 4-5 years back that Bama did the same thing to him. I think you have to be more upfront to these kids and not spring this on them last week. Fair to do it, fair to ask and fair for when the kid says no.

Saban will say we did not pull scholarship just pushed it back so they are in the clear. They will say we did not pull offer and he will just come in later but chose to not do it. I assume they guarantee the scholarship in December.

Better than pulling offer completely but still pretty bad to the kid. This subject needs to be brought up as a chance it could happen back months ago.

 

[StoopRaid7]

Looks like Petrino started a trend

 

[DCFseattle]

If I understand correctly it gives 5 and 1/2 years or 6 Springs to play 4 years so it could help a lot in developing if player try's and doesn't make it after 2 years he can transfer to a lower division and still have 3 or 4 years to play if he hasn't played any. He gains a Spring in other words to develop. Rules change and I may have never had it right..

Develop what, though?
He can't practice or anything with the team.

Just seems me that the institution is the only person to benefit from this nonsense. Keep a kid on ice, for just-in-casies, and he can't even take classes at the place?

Maybe football recruiting just isn't for me. This greyshirt stuff seems like Bobby Petrino type shenanigans.

 

[laxcat#5]

We're 0 for 2 on Bama's leftovers. This kid isn't D1 caliber.

 

[ukalum1988]

We're 0 for 2 on Bama's leftovers. This kid isn't D1 caliber.

Yep- Justin Taylor and Darryl Collins didn't pan out for us did they? Sorry for the young man's luck but if I were Stoops I would pass.

 

[JohnnyGentle]

We're 0 for 2 on Bama's leftovers. This kid isn't D1 caliber.

yeah that bama wants him to grayshirt means he isn't good enough for the sun belt or the mac. right

 

[gobigblue812_rivals29381]

There is virtually no advantage of a grayshirt except for the school. Kid can't set foot on campus until next spring. That is if he actually gets a scholarship at that point. The school does not have to guarantee him a spot in the spring. So instead of enrolling this summer and going through conditioning, classes and fall camp/seasonwith a guarantee of a scholarship he'll sit at home until next January and hope for a scholarship from Bama. It means he's been recruited over this year and prob will never get a scholarship. Schools use this to make kids decommit without "pulling" a scholarship.

 

[jauk11]

3star LB Riley Cole just decommitted from Bama after being offered a gray shirt.

Could be worth a look.

Article linked.
https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/alabama-asks-recruit-to-grayshirt-he-declines-and-de-commits

Nice link, thanks, does explain the gray shirt a bit and has some other links to topics. Before the decommit Bama was only ranked 12th in the nation, and, listen to this, only had TWICE the number of five star commits as UK, 2 to 1, when normally it is approaching infinity, in a normal year it would be about 4 divided by zero-----although dividing by zero is a math operation that is not allowed and gives you an indeterminate number.

Certainly didn't do this for lack of space, only 16 commits at this late date, and the article points out why, they are after THREE LB recruits that are FIVE stars. A clear example of the sleazy way some programs operate, JMO, awfully late in the game. He is probably better off, it would be tough for even a 5.7 three star to compete with five stars. I hope they didn't tell Harris they would quit recruiting his position (which UK did until he committed to Bama), LOL, but then I think they probably already have in Scarborough. And how much was their ballyhooed "two back" system actually used, Henry had NINETY carries in their two critical games, how many carries does that leave for the others?

 

[Littlefeller_rivals66952]

some post a picture of Scarborough-He makes a big enuff shadow for DH to stand in

 

[Parabolicsecan]

yeah that bama wants him to grayshirt means he isn't good enough for the sun belt or the mac. right

That is true actually. After you receive an offer from Bama, Michigan, Tennessee, FSU etc...the coach tells you what they like about you and what they want to see improvement on during the Senior season if necessary. I guess you can say the coaching staff is taking somewhat of a risk, minimal, but still a risk by offering a kid they like with potential hoping he shows them something during the season and I'm not talking stats. More like instinct, quickness, finishing, coverage. If the kid doesn't show that, they may ask him to grayshirt so he can work out on his own and still have a chance at making the team.

In some cases, these kids are projects that schools from other conferences wouldn't necessarily offer but the big schools hope they could take that extra leap during the season.

 

[trueblujr]

Most the time a grey-shirt is beneficial to a kid who might be a partial qualifier or not quite ready academically to enroll in the fall, or if a kid is recovering from an injury where they wouldn't be able to participate in team activities or drills in the fall. That's what the system was generally derived for, but coaches like to use it to play games with scholarship numbers too.

 

[RammerJammer91_rivals23256]

Nice link, thanks, does explain the gray shirt a bit and has some other links to topics. Before the decommit Bama was only ranked 12th in the nation, and, listen to this, only had TWICE the number of five star commits as UK, 2 to 1, when normally it is approaching infinity, in a normal year it would be about 4 divided by zero-----although dividing by zero is a math operation that is not allowed and gives you an indeterminate number.

Certainly didn't do this for lack of space, only 16 commits at this late date, and the article points out why, they are after THREE LB recruits that are FIVE stars. A clear example of the sleazy way some programs operate, JMO, awfully late in the game. He is probably better off, it would be tough for even a 5.7 three star to compete with five stars. I hope they didn't tell Harris they would quit recruiting his position (which UK did until he committed to Bama), LOL, but then I think they probably already have in Scarborough. And how much was their ballyhooed "two back" system actually used, Henry had NINETY carries in their two critical games, how many carries does that leave for the others?

You continuously bring up Bama continuing to recruit the RB position, and I have a couple of questions:

What is Saban supposed to do? Take BS and DH and then add 3 guys who are D2 players?

What do you make of LSU (DBU) bringing in 4-5 high-profile 4/5 star DB's every year? How come Miles never gets pointed out for recruiting over the many stud DB's he has on the roster every year? Do people not point that out because he's goofy, a nice guy, or because people feel bad for him because he can't manage a clock to save his life? To remain consistent, you should call out Les Miles for doing the same thing.

 

[BigBluePhantom]

You continuously bring up Bama continuing to recruit the RB position, and I have a couple of questions:

What is Saban supposed to do? Take BS and DH and then add 3 guys who are D2 players?

What do you make of LSU (DBU) bringing in 4-5 high-profile 4/5 star DB's every year? How come Miles never gets pointed out for recruiting over the many stud DB's he has on the roster every year? Do people not point that out because he's goofy, a nice guy, or because people feel bad for him because he can't manage a clock to save his life? To remain consistent, you should call out Les Miles for doing the same thing.

If and when Miles steals a 5 Star DB out a high school that is 30 minutes away from UK's campus and who attends all of our games and acts like he is coming to UK, then we will pay attention to how many DB's he brings in. Until then, people on the UK message board will continue to talk about DH's poor decision to choose Bama and other things that pertain to UK football. If you want to concern yourself with Miles and what he is doing down in Baton Rouge, trot along to the LSU board and I am sure will be glad to discuss it with you.

 

[MirageSmack]

Looks like Petrino started a trend

Saban has done this since he began coaching, long before Petrino. We've even gotten players from Bama this way.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

You continuously bring up Bama continuing to recruit the RB position, and I have a couple of questions:

What is Saban supposed to do? Take BS and DH and then add 3 guys who are D2 players?

What do you make of LSU (DBU) bringing in 4-5 high-profile 4/5 star DB's every year? How come Miles never gets pointed out for recruiting over the many stud DB's he has on the roster every year? Do people not point that out because he's goofy, a nice guy, or because people feel bad for him because he can't manage a clock to save his life? To remain consistent, you should call out Les Miles for doing the same thing.

I don't think UK fans are as upset as much about him picking Bama as how they feel he played the Uk staff and fans. You know and I know that this year the kids seem to be doing quite a bit of it, the 2 5* LB from Alabama are examples, Davis, a Bama legacy says everyone is even after visiting AU over the weekend, do you really believe that? Same with Wilson, putting pics of himself up on twitter wearing UGA gear, everyone knows both guys are Bama locks. Hardman names Bama his leader yet blows his official visit to hang out with our guys on our biggest recruiting weekend, you really think Bama leads for him? He has been to UGA probably 10 times since Kirby was hired. Kids are getting to the point they are almost being disrespectful to the coaching staffs who are recruiting them, coach's job depends on how well they can recruit, they spend time and resources on kids who mislead them on their real chance of signing them. Most know when they get that offer where they want to go, small percentage is influenced by visits and recruiting tactics.

 

[Edgehollow]

If and when Miles steals a 5 Star DB out a high school that is 30 minutes away from UK's campus and who attends all of our games and acts like he is coming to UK, then we will pay attention to how many DB's he brings in. Until then, people on the UK message board will continue to talk about DH's poor decision to choose Bama and other things that pertain to UK football. If you want to concern yourself with Miles and what he is doing down in Baton Rouge, trot along to the LSU board and I am sure will be glad to discuss it with you.

I disagree that going to Bama over UK is a "poor decision". My only beef with it is I wish he would have been more forthcoming with the staff so we wouldn't have stuck with the "all in" strategy and recruited another back. Kid that ended up at GA Tech (i think it was ga tech...they all run together and i cant remember his name) really wanted to be a Cat and we didn't pursue him due to Harris, and got caught holding our collective Johnson's when he chose Bama.

Stoops could afford to do that at FSU, not so much here.

 

[JohnnyGentle]

Until then, people on the UK message board will continue to talk about DH's poor decision to choose Bama and other things that pertain to UK football.

[laughing]

 

[BigBluePhantom]

[laughing]

What I was saying went right over some of your heads. It makes no difference if it was a bad decision or not. That is yet to be determined. What is in question is RJ's homer perspective that assumes our angst is based on some Bama thing instead of being based on the uniqueness of the recruitment of Harris. As for your misguided assumption, Harris very well may have been better off to stay at home if it turns out that he is recruited over by Bama and never does anything down there. Like I said, that remains to be seen. Some of you boys just can't help but to outsmart yourselves.

 

[RammerJammer91_rivals23256]

What I was saying went right over some of your heads. It makes no difference if it was a bad decision or not. That is yet to be determined. What is in question is RJ's homer perspective that assumes our angst is based on some Bama thing instead of being based on the uniqueness of the recruitment of Harris. As for your misguided assumption, Harris very well may have been better off to stay at home if it turns out that he is recruited over by Bama and never does anything down there. Like I said, that remains to be seen. Some of you boys just can't help but to outsmart yourselves.

How was I a homer? Jauk11 has made the same post at least 20 times, and he seems to only focus on Saban for over-recruiting certain positions (especially RB). And when I've asked him what Saban should do, or if he feels the same way about other coaches loading up at certain positions, he beats around the bush. My question to him, was, does he feel the same way about Les Miles when he over-recruits at DB? Or is he above any and all criticism because he's goofy and a nice guy? Is it because he can't manage a clock to save his life and people feel bad for him? I'm really curious. Perfectly objective question, no? And it's not just for Saban, that I make that argument/ask that question. I think Urban Meyer gets unfairly criticized for loading up at certain positions, and I'm obviously no OSU fan. My point was that if one feels a certain way about how one coach loads up on a position, they should feel the same way about all coaches who do that. And if UK did that, I wonder what he'd think of Stoops.

 

[3kidsandme]

How was I a homer? Jauk11 has made the same post at least 20 times, and he seems to only focus on Saban for over-recruiting certain positions (especially RB). And when I've asked him what Saban should do, or if he feels the same way about other coaches loading up at certain positions, he beats around the bush. My question to him, was, does he feel the same way about Les Miles when he over-recruits at DB? Or is he above any and all criticism because he's goofy and a nice guy? Is it because he can't manage a clock to save his life and people feel bad for him? I'm really curious. Perfectly objective question, no? And it's not just for Saban, that I make that argument/ask that question. I think Urban Meyer gets unfairly criticized for loading up at certain positions, and I'm obviously no OSU fan. My point was that if one feels a certain way about how one coach loads up on a position, they should feel the same way about all coaches who do that. And if UK did that, I wonder what he'd think of Stoops.

I get your point but most UK fans salty with Bama over Harris it has nothing to do with over recruiting we do nor like the way Harris strung uk along

 

[willievic]

If and when Miles steals a 5 Star DB out a high school that is 30 minutes away from UK's campus and who attends all of our games and acts like he is coming to UK, then we will pay attention to how many DB's he brings in. Until then, people on the UK message board will continue to talk about DH's poor decision to choose Bama and other things that pertain to UK football. If you want to concern yourself with Miles and what he is doing down in Baton Rouge, trot along to the LSU board and I am sure will be glad to discuss it with you.

Excellent comeback Phantom. I agree 100%. I don't want DH to be successful at Bama, and this is the first time in my life I have ever wanted a kid to fail. Even if they don't attend UK after we have been recruiting them, I still wish them the best of luck. I realize UK is not for everyone, basketball or football, but I can't stand a liar, and a user, and Harris was both. EEF him!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[RammerJammer91_rivals23256]

I get your point but most UK fans salty with Bama over Harris it has nothing to do with over recruiting we do nor like the way Harris strung uk along

I agree completely. He didn't handle the end of his recruitment the right way. If he knew he wasn't going to UK weeks before his decision, he should've notified the UK staff so they could've moved on to other options sooner. Not only that, but it would've been the classy thing to do.

Unfortunately, quite a few recruits today are drama queens and trolls during their recruitment. Grumpy made several good points in his post, especially about the 2 Bama locks and the UGA lock. Hardman, the UGA lock named Bama his "favorite", yet he has practically been living on UGA's campus. He has no intention of going anywhere other than UGA. Same with Ben Davis and Mack Wilson. They have been Bama locks for years. Personally, I just don't get the point of doing that. If you know where you're going, is it too much to ask to not mislead other coaching staffs? Apparently it is, as it's all about building the suspense.

 

[mrhotdice]

Harris was recruited over as soon as he went to Bama. He was a wasted free ride and now Bama has their Lacy type back that Saban loves.

I hope this kid feels used just like the way he used his friends like Elam and the U.K. Coaching staff.

Some people deserve to fail due to their actions.

 

[3kidsandme]

I agree completely. He didn't handle the end of his recruitment the right way. If he knew he wasn't going to UK weeks before his decision, he should've notified the UK staff so they could've moved on to other options sooner. Not only that, but it would've been the classy thing to do.

Unfortunately, quite a few recruits today are drama queens and trolls during their recruitment. Grumpy made several good points in his post, especially about the 2 Bama locks and the UGA lock. Hardman, the UGA lock named Bama his "favorite", yet he has practically been living on UGA's campus. He has no intention of going anywhere other than UGA. Same with Ben Davis and Mack Wilson. They have been Bama locks for years. Personally, I just don't get the point of doing that. If you know where you're going, is it too much to ask to not mislead other coaching staffs? Apparently it is, as it's all about building the suspense.

It was actually months before. He said he knew his choice during the iron bowl game. He used UK for perks and was to big a coward to commit early.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

What I don't like was how he used the staff and and was all things UK. Going to every game and on campus every time a skirt was to be sniffed.
Later we find out when he visited Bama he made his decision then and their. We stopped recruiting all other backs in the class and a couple of good ones at that because of Harris.
If he told the staff I'm going to Bama when he took his visit then we would have several months to target another back. But nope.
Not only did he play UK and the fans but he basically gave us the bird when he left and still takes shots.

That would be like a Bama target who is from Tascaloosa and they drop every other target because he says he's on board. Comes to every game and is all things a crimson tide from what he says to how he dresses....everything. Then when the camera shines to reveal that he is attending Bama he picks up an Auburn hat and puts it on and laughs @ y'all.

I remember a kid from his HS coming on here when we were recruiting him and said he was a friend of his and he was not coming to UK. He was just using us and he is really a grade a *******. Not the type of person we think he is.

I wish him well at Bama and things would have been much better off if he had just committed to them on his visit. Kentuckian's will not forget what he did, he better hope like heck his coach doesn't send him to the Juco's and he succeeds because I seriously doubt many will help a fellow out with a job here with that stunt he pulled unless it's the dog catcher.

 

[Orange_N_White]

Jauk11 has made the same post at least 20 times, and he seems to only focus on Saban for over-recruiting

Lol.

 

[jauk11]

You continuously bring up Bama continuing to recruit the RB position, and I have a couple of questions:

What is Saban supposed to do? Take BS and DH and then add 3 guys who are D2 players?

What do you make of LSU (DBU) bringing in 4-5 high-profile 4/5 star DB's every year? How come Miles never gets pointed out for recruiting over the many stud DB's he has on the roster every year? Do people not point that out because he's goofy, a nice guy, or because people feel bad for him because he can't manage a clock to save his life? To remain consistent, you should call out Les Miles for doing the same thing.

What is your problem, I don't care what RBs Bama recruits to make him sit the bench, I was just pointing out what is LIKELY to happen to him at Bama. I, like most of our fans kind of hope he rides the bench there for four years------like the last four star you took after he did commit to us, ended up transferring down a level for his fifth year. I am just pointing out that I think there is a very good likelihood that he made the wrong decision, take a look at Scarborough, also a five star, also listed with a 4.5 forty, with a grayshirt year (or grade problems) to mature, the fact that Saban prefers big backs, that looked marvelous in his 7 or 8 yard run in mopup the last game, while Harris gained two yards (again) and DIDN'T impress in his mopup duty all year. And before you start talking about Saban's "two back" system, do you remember Henry's NINETY SOME carries in your last two big games?

Our starting OL in 17 could be rated higher than Bama's starting OL, believe it or not, (depends mostly on Wills) a 5.7 that was too good to redshirt, a 5.8, a 5.9, and TWO five stars could be the starters. And maybe you should compare our 5.6 freshman RB's ypc in mopup duty to Harris's, he had as much significant duty as Harris did.

IIRC Harris is the ONLY five star from Kentucky this CENTURY, and Bama stole one of the last ones we had (before five stars), the one that ended up the NFL's MVP for Seattle, although a lot of fans say Curry didn't chase him. Sure can't say that about Harris, and you sure can't say he was up front with UK.

If LSU steals our next five star, in 17, then I will be upset, but if he is up front in the process I don't think I will be upset with him personally, more so with UK for allowing us to fall so far behind in the arms race. But personally I think his best choice is to stay home and be a hero, (I think it is for most recruits, other things being equal) and he will have some VERY good talent to play with on the OL if he does come here.------and we already have most of the other talent.

And did you graduate from Bama, it doesn't seem like you can even count to 20.

 

[BigBluePhantom]

How was I a homer? Jauk11 has made the same post at least 20 times, and he seems to only focus on Saban for over-recruiting certain positions (especially RB). And when I've asked him what Saban should do, or if he feels the same way about other coaches loading up at certain positions, he beats around the bush. My question to him, was, does he feel the same way about Les Miles when he over-recruits at DB? Or is he above any and all criticism because he's goofy and a nice guy? Is it because he can't manage a clock to save his life and people feel bad for him? I'm really curious. Perfectly objective question, no? And it's not just for Saban, that I make that argument/ask that question. I think Urban Meyer gets unfairly criticized for loading up at certain positions, and I'm obviously no OSU fan. My point was that if one feels a certain way about how one coach loads up on a position, they should feel the same way about all coaches who do that. And if UK did that, I wonder what he'd think of Stoops.

You are a homer because you need to step back and see the big picture instead of viewing everything through your crimson glasses. You call out Les Miles and you acknowledge that many people criticize Urban Meyer for loading up yet you still cry about people picking on Saban. Every coach is going to load up with as much talent as they can and every coach that is successful at it will face backlash by fans of opposing teams. Right now, our issue is with Saban and Harris. A lot of wives cheat on their husbands but when its your wife, you take it just a bit more personal. We take Harris leaving us for Saban pretty damn personal. I don't know why you can't grasp that but for some reason you don't. I welcome fans from any team to come over here and bring their perspectives to our conversations but you must remember that it is our board. You don't understand our perspective but you want to come over here and criticize it.

 

[RammerJammer91_rivals23256]

You are a homer because you need to step back and see the big picture instead of viewing everything through your crimson glasses. You call out Les Miles and you acknowledge that many people criticize Urban Meyer for loading up yet you still cry about people picking on Saban. Every coach is going to load up with as much talent as they can and every coach that is successful at it will face backlash by fans of opposing teams. Right now, our issue is with Saban and Harris. A lot of wives cheat on their husbands but when its your wife, you take it just a bit more personal. We take Harris leaving us for Saban pretty damn personal. I don't know why you can't grasp that but for some reason you don't. I welcome fans from any team to come over here and bring their perspectives to our conversations but you must remember that it is our board. You don't understand our perspective but you want to come over here and criticize it.

I'm not calling out Les Miles. I'm asking him if he feels the same way about other coaches that load up at certain positions, and Les Miles was the first coach that came to mind. In fact, as you mentioned, I defended Meyer in my post, and I'm no OSU fan. It has nothing to do with crimson-colored glasses. Personally, I don't have a problem with Les Miles loading up at corner every single year. But, to remain consistent, if he feels that way about Saban, he must feel that Les Miles, Urban Meyer, etc. are over-recruiting at certain positions and those kids will ride the bench because of the competition, right? That's all I was asking. And to be honest, he made similar posts before Harris went to Bama. That's what I've never understood. It's not about Saban/Bama. I would ask the same question if people called out any other coaches for over-recruiting. There are people calling out UGA's staff for "over-recruiting" (complete BS, btw) at DT because they landed a 5-star DT last year, already have a commitment from Julian Rochester, who was almost a 5-star until, for some reason, a few recruiting sites dropped him, and they still might get Derrick Brown, who is also a 5-star. I see nothing wrong with what UGA is doing, so it's not just Bama/Saban that I'm defending.

 

[BigBluePhantom]

. But, to remain consistent, if he feels that way about Saban, he must feel that Les Miles, Urban Meyer, etc. are over-recruiting at certain positions and those kids will ride the bench because of the competition, right? .

WRONG! If I may speak for him, I am sure he doesn't give 2 chits about MIles. Why does he have to be consistent? It is his opinion. He is a fan. That is short for fanatic. Fans are not consistent, they are very biased toward their team. Most people on here are biased toward UK and things that affect UK. They should be. Even though you won't admit it, you are obviously biased toward your team. That is ok......on the Bama board. When you come over here, you may not agree with our biases and opinions but you need to respect them. You can ask an honest question but when you don't get the answer you want then you have to just accept it and agree to disagree. That is where we are. It has been explained to you numerous times. You simply don't want to hear anything that is contrary to your opinion.