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*Fox2Monk* said:
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College basketball players among those charged in point-shaving scheme by FBI

The FBI claims more than 29 games were fixed in 2023-24 and 2024-25. It's one of the biggest gambling conspiracies in American sports history
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You know some of these refs are in on this stuff. We have seen way too many crazy things over the years in our games not to be.
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They should look at last night's refs. I'm sure they knew those phantom fouls were putting a 92% shooter on the line.
 
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*Fox2Monk* said:
www.cbssports.com

College basketball players among those charged in point-shaving scheme by FBI

The FBI claims more than 29 games were fixed in 2023-24 and 2024-25. It's one of the biggest gambling conspiracies in American sports history
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

You know some of these refs are in on this stuff. We have seen way too many crazy things over the years in our games not to be.
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Looks like this one is mainly players from small schools, the ones who don't get paid much NIL.
 
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If Federal authorities took a look at some of the commercial and residential investment properties that certain refs have purchased with cash, they might have some very good questions about where that money came from. The only way these issues get corrected is with investigative journalism and corruption being revealed to the public for what it is.
 
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FilsonCat said:
If Federal authorities took a look at some of the commercial and residential investment properties that that certain refs have purchased with cash, they might have some very good questions about where that money came from. The only way these issues get corrected is with investigative journalism and corruption being revealed to the public for what it is.
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All this stuff coming out the last few years just confirms what we have all suspected for years. No different than folks getting elected to congress and then they become a hall of fame stock trader.
 
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theBlues said:
Looks like this one is mainly players from small schools, the ones who don't get paid much NIL.
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Of course! They have to look like they're actually trying to keep corruption down instead of allowing it to run rampant. Have to find a scapegoat or 30 that won't cost them in viewership or ad revenue... lmao

"Look! Over there!"
 
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FilsonCat said:
If Federal authorities took a look at some of the commercial and residential investment properties that that certain refs have purchased with cash, they might have some very good questions about where that money came from. The only way these issues get corrected is with investigative journalism and corruption being revealed to the public for what it is.
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Almost all these refs own a business or two that employ only the ref and maybe another person or two.

Anyone who's ever owned a business knows how hard it is to keep it going when you're there 24/7. Yet somehow these guys all thrive despite being never there for about 4 months in a row.

They must be really, really good businesmen.
 
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preston-lemasterpiece said:
zero percent chance this isn't going on at high majors also. having money does not mean you don't want to make more money, quite the opposite.
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I think it's more likely with refs and lower division players. Scrubs can't fix games; they get benched quick. The top guys at big schools are making millions so I don't see many of them stupid enough to fix games for $30k. The fixers can't pay them millions since they can't get that much money bet.
 
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peterpiper09 said:
Any mention of Joe Lindsey, and Adams’ or Shows names in there. Or Poole.
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It’s the players that have been doing it, not the refs. At least according to the FBI investigation’s findings.

Although I’m sure those findings represent only the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what else is going on in this now exceedingly corrupt sport.
 
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notFromhere said:
Of course! They have to look like they're actually trying to keep corruption down instead of allowing it to run rampant. Have to find a scapegoat or 30 that won't cost them in viewership or ad revenue... lmao

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I'm sure not going to say the NCAA isn't corrupt or the FBI either and I'm sure there are a lot of refs taking money to influence games. But to understand why it would be very rare with power five star players you have to be able to imagine yourself in somebody else's shoes. Say you're making a couple million at your school and you'd have to believe you have a potential NBA future. Would you risk a permanent ban from the NBA and throw games for $30k? Anybody would pretty much have to be mentally ill to answer yes...
 
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I'm sure not going to say the NCAA isn't corrupt or the FBI either and I'm sure there are a lot of refs taking money to influence games. But to understand why it would be very rare with power five star players you have to be able to imagine yourself in somebody else's shoes. Say you're making a couple million at your school and you'd have to believe you have a potential NBA future. Would you risk a permanent ban from the NBA and throw games for $30k? Anybody would pretty much have to be mentally ill to answer yes...
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So you think every P5 college player is making a couple million? OK. That's interesting

If making a couple million was a talisman that magically kept players from influencing games for money, why did we just see players in the pro leagues get busted for it?

"Anybody would pretty much have to be mentally ill not to answer, "My bad"
 
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notFromhere said:
So you think every P5 college player is making a couple million? OK. That's interesting

If making a couple million was a talisman that magically kept players from influencing games for money, why did we just see players in the pro leagues get busted for it?

"Anybody would pretty much have to be mentally ill not to answer, "My bad"
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No, I do not think every P5 player is making a couple million. Please don't try to put word in my mouth; if you want to argue against a straw man you don't need me.

As I said earlier a player really needs to be a star for his team to fix games because they're the only ones that will stay in the when playing inexplicably bad. If you really think star players making big bucks will fix games for a small amount more money it says more about your morals than anybody else's morals.
 
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I certainly wouldn’t stake my life on it that it’s never happened at a higher level. Gambling becoming so widespread and casual in our society has consequences and sometimes even guys with money get greedy or simply feel invincible.

That being said, I wouldn’t necessarily be as convinced as most of you seem to be that the logical conclusion from this probe is that game fixing is also rampant in the big power conference games either. These small time games were probably seen by the people orchestrating this scheme as a nearly perfect gig. The players who would actually have influence on the outcome would be more tempted to get involved for lower sums of money, and the lack of attendance and media attention on those games would make it a lot harder for anyone to notice something was fishy. Trying to rig the marquee games is much more expensive and higher risk by comparison.
 
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theBlues said:
As I said earlier a player really needs to be a star for his team to fix games because they're the only ones that will stay in the when playing inexplicably bad.
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But skilled players can do it without making it obvious by looking “inexplicably bad.”

I recall, in that Netflix documentary, Hedake Smith talking about how he did this at Arizona State. He’d do subtle little things that the fans didn’t notice like delaying a pass for a split second so the D could catch up, or feeding teammates in spots where he knows they’re likely to miss, or just taking a step out of position on defense.

At the end of the day, it would look to the fans like Smith had a good game, ASU would still win (but not by point spread), and nobody had any idea that their star point guard was shaving points the whole game.
 
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