Beamer era losses: concerning trend

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Thus far, Beamer is off to a decent enough start record-wise. 7-6 last year, 6-4 this year. Both years he'll have exceeded the pre-season predictions by most pundits. However, what's concerning is not necessarily the number of losses, but the nature of the losses. In his 10 losses to date, the average margin of loss is 22 points. Only 2 of our 10 losses are single-digit losses, 3 points and 6 points to Mizzou and UK last year. If you took those out, the average margin of loss jumps to 26.5 points.

So, if we're not winning, we're pretty much getting shellacked. In 6 of our 10 losses under Beamer, we have been completely non-competitive, with losses of 27, 25, 30, 30, 41, and 32 points (you'll be able to add the UT score to this list in a few days). The Mizzou loss this year was by 13 points, but we all know it was nowhere near that close and we were thoroughly dominated. Similarly, the Arkansas loss was by 14 points, but the outcome was never in doubt.

To his credit, I guess we are finding a way to win the closer games. But, again, it's concerning that, if we lose, we're getting blown out.
 

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Lord. This is going to be a nasty place next Saturday. I'm staying away. Tn is going to blow us away and all the moaning and groaning in the world won't change it so why bother.
 

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Lord. This is going to be a nasty place next Saturday. I'm staying away. Tn is going to blow us away and all the moaning and groaning in the world won't change it so why bother.

If they start Joyner and go completely against everything to date this season - I think USC can win. It's easy to plan for Rattler right now (because of the OC, not Rattler). Starting Joyner would be like running the option for a team not ready for it.
 

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If they start Joyner and go completely against everything to date this season - I think USC can win. It's easy to plan for Rattler right now (because of the OC, not Rattler). Starting Joyner would be like running the option for a team not ready for it.
We could put Lamar Jackson in there and get vaporized. You gotta stop 'em. We ain't gonna be able to stop 'em.
 

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On the plus side, Beamer is winning games that Muschamp was losing towards the end. So that’s improvement.
 
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Shane's gettin' his azz beat.

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I don't know - like the option, Joyner is a guy that gets first downs but not in huge chunks. Shorten the game, get them out of rhythm, don't let their offense run free.
I respect your quest for optimism. Tenn.>North Carolina by leaps and bounds.
 

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24 of our last 32 losses have been by 14 points or more. We lost to Missouri by 13.

Except for ST, the team looks unprepared, slow and not sure footed. Shane at times looks detached, frustrated and confused. I don’t like the trend and his sometimes prickly answers aren’t helping. He has already forgotten his cutesy little speech to the players in August about how hard the fans work to pay the money to come and park a mile away to support them.

In any event, I won’t be watching the next 2 games. I plan to spend some quality holiday time with family and friends. I don’t need this BS. Satt is incompetent, Shane is in way over his head, and I’ve gotten to the point where I totally detest and disrespect Tanner.
 
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Except for ST, the team looks unprepared

That's the frustrating part to me. Against UF, it looked like he hadn't practiced all week or even watched game tape. The whole "we gotta coach better" line wears thin after a while.

I like Shane and I'm still in his camp, but he's gotta show something. If not with wins, then with offseason moves.
 

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What would be the harm of blitzing on First down of the game and blowing something up. And then second down!! and again, on third?? It would be better than waiting a quarter or a half to see, from our heels, 9 yard carries and 15-yard throws to wide open receivers with no adjustment ever.
 
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24 of our last 32 losses have been by 14 points or more. We lost to Missouri by 13.

Except for ST, the team looks unprepared, slow and not sure footed. Shane at times looks detached, frustrated and confused. I don’t like the trend and his sometimes prickly answers aren’t helping. He has already forgotten his cutesy little speech to the players in August about how hard the fans work to pay the money to come and park a mile away to support them.

In any event, I won’t be watching the next 2 games. I plan to spend some quality holiday time with family and friends. I don’t need this BS. Satt is incompetent, Shane is in way over his head, and I’ve gotten to the point where I totally detest and disrespect Tanner.
Join the Club!
 

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That's the frustrating part to me. Against UF, it looked like he hadn't practiced all week or even watched game tape. The whole "we gotta coach better" line wears thin after a while.

I like Shane and I'm still in his camp, but he's gotta show something. If not with wins, then with offseason moves.
My thoughts as well. We're 10 games into the season. The season is over next weekend. If you haven't figured out how to coach better yet, I think there's a problem with the staff.
 

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I’m not sure why anyone on here expects anything other than the generic responses to criticism. Very few HCs are going to come out and say “My OC can’t figure out how to create a plan against this defense nor can he call quality plays”. Or “our DC doesn’t know how to tackle, so we do a crappy job of teaching it”.

I’d expected Beamer to protect his people publicly. I’d also expect him to handle things appropriately behind closed doors through out season and majorly at year’s end.
 

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I’m not sure why anyone on here expects anything other than the generic responses to criticism. Very few HCs are going to come out and say “My OC can’t figure out how to create a plan against this defense nor can he call quality plays”. Or “our DC doesn’t know how to tackle, so we do a crappy job of teaching it”.

I’d expected Beamer to protect his people publicly. I’d also expect him to handle things appropriately behind closed doors through out season and majorly at year’s end.

Like you, I assume/hope he's handling things behind closed doors. But there are ways you can say things publicly that indicate you have an idea what the problems are but without being overly critical of players and coaches. Just saying "we gotta coach better" over and over again kind of makes it sound like you don't know what you're doing. As fans who pay for the product, it'd be nice to get some indications that the HC knows wha the issues are.

I know he won't ever be a Steve Spurrier, who was obviously not shy at all about calling out players or coaches.
 

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I’m not sure why anyone on here expects anything other than the generic responses to criticism. Very few HCs are going to come out and say “My OC can’t figure out how to create a plan against this defense nor can he call quality plays”. Or “our DC doesn’t know how to tackle, so we do a crappy job of teaching it”.

I’d expected Beamer to protect his people publicly. I’d also expect him to handle things appropriately behind closed doors through out season and majorly at year’s end.

Okay, I laughed. I would spit out my drink if a coach ever said that in an interview.

But I agree. I've said I expect only coachspeak until the end of the year, at which time I hope the necessary changes are made.

I understand the frustration though. With just coachspeak to go on, there's still a chance Beamer thinks Satterfield can be salvaged.
 

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If they start Joyner and go completely against everything to date this season - I think USC can win. It's easy to plan for Rattler right now (because of the OC, not Rattler). Starting Joyner would be like running the option for a team not ready for it.
The Vols have undoubtedly reviewed the Gamecocks' Mayo Bowl game. Joyner will not surprise them...he is not the answer. Barring a pivotal UT injury(ies) we have no answer.
 

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Thus far, Beamer is off to a decent enough start record-wise. 7-6 last year, 6-4 this year. Both years he'll have exceeded the pre-season predictions by most pundits. However, what's concerning is not necessarily the number of losses, but the nature of the losses. In his 10 losses to date, the average margin of loss is 22 points. Only 2 of our 10 losses are single-digit losses, 3 points and 6 points to Mizzou and UK last year. If you took those out, the average margin of loss jumps to 26.5 points.

So, if we're not winning, we're pretty much getting shellacked. In 6 of our 10 losses under Beamer, we have been completely non-competitive, with losses of 27, 25, 30, 30, 41, and 32 points (you'll be able to add the UT score to this list in a few days). The Mizzou loss this year was by 13 points, but we all know it was nowhere near that close and we were thoroughly dominated. Similarly, the Arkansas loss was by 14 points, but the outcome was never in doubt.

To his credit, I guess we are finding a way to win the closer games. But, again, it's concerning that, if we lose, we're getting blown out.
What's concerning to me is that we have not beaten a much above-average team yet. Maybe we will tomorrow or the following Saturday. But both Florida's and Auburn's coaches were fired within one year after we beat them last year. North Carolina had a so-so record last year. This year's Kentucky team has turned out to be average.
 
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What's concerning to me is that we have not beaten a much above-average team yet. Maybe we will tomorrow or the following Saturday. But both Florida's and Auburn's coaches were fired within one year after we beat them last year. North Carolina had a so-so record last year. This year's Kentucky team has turned out to be average.

What's scary is I don't think unc was even so-so. They were 3-5 in conference. In that conference. And 6-6 overall. After the bowl, they had a losing record.

But I agree with the rest.

Kentucky this year seems to be the best win, and they are 6-4, with a likely loss to uga tomorrow.
 

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What's concerning to me is that we have not beaten a much above-average team yet. Maybe we will tomorrow or the following Saturday. But both Florida's and Auburn's coaches were fired within one year after we beat them last year. North Carolina had a so-so record last year. This year's Kentucky team has turned out to be average.

Yeah, we are still looking for that signature win under Beamer. We have yet to beat a good team. Take out the cupcake games and our wins are:

Vandy x 2 (and the win last year took a come-from-behind miracle and they dragged our D up and down the field this year)
A UF team that had quit on their head coach (and almost lost to Samford the next week, squeaking by 70-52)
An Auburn team that was in disarray, and was in the midst of a 5-game losing streak to end the season
A UNC team that was probably about comparable to us, but had one of the worst defenses in the nation
Kentucky without their starting QB
An A&M team that was in shambles and had already lost to App St.

Now, as I mentioned, it's a credit to Beamer because these are games we were losing the last couple of years under Muschamp.

But Beamer's getting to the point where he needs a signature win to give this program a shot in the arm. If he doesn't get one this year, then next year is a must.
 
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What's scary is I don't think unc was even so-so. They were 3-5 in conference. In that conference. And 6-6 overall. After the bowl, they had a losing record.
Now I feel even worse about our program. I didn't think that would be possible. LOL.
 

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What's scary is I don't think unc was even so-so. They were 3-5 in conference. In that conference. And 6-6 overall. After the bowl, they had a losing record.

But I agree with the rest.

Kentucky this year seems to be the best win, and they are 6-4, with a likely loss to uga tomorrow.
Got to be careful. We don't want either Mrs. Beamer nor Mrs. Satterfield to jump on us.
 

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But Beamer's getting to the point where he needs a signature win to give this program a shot in the arm. If he doesn't get one this year, then next year is a must.
In my view, next season should be make or break for Beamer if he finishes 6-6 this season. Of course, I don't know the financial situation of the Athletic Department, which would be an indictment of the powers at USC, if it's poor.
 

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The disturbing and worrying thing to me is that most head coaches have a big bump in success in year 2. I'm afraid we are seeing what the future holds with Beamer. Bad play and mediocre seasons are a self replicating thing. Top recruits, unless they have always dreamed of playing for a team, aren't likely to choose a team that is mediocre. Without the top recruits, the seasons don't get better and the next crop of top recruits go elsewhere and on and on and on.

Say we finish the season 6-6, which seems likely. Sure, we won one more game than the experts said we would. YIPEEEEE!!!. Even if we win a truly meaningless bowl game we still finish a decidedly mediocre 7-6. I don't see what we point to to build on. Rattler was supposed to be something of a savior and he has been anything but. Lloyd can't stay healthy. When he's 100% he is very good but he's never 100%. Our "signature win" looks like it is going to be over a KY team who didn't have its starting qb and has turned out to be not much better than we are. If we hire a new OC we face the prospect of next season being one where the new OC and the offensive players have to learn each other, not generally a recipe for success. The defense isn't good either and unless we have some serious talent redshirting, and I don't know of any, we aren't going to be much better on that side of the ball next year.

Things don't seem great to me right now. In fact, they don't even seem to be at a point where I can see "good" from where I am now.
 

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If they start Joyner and go completely against everything to date this season - I think USC can win. It's easy to plan for Rattler right now (because of the OC, not Rattler). Starting Joyner would be like running the option for a team not ready for it.
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Beamer got his signature win. Now, let's see if he can build something on it. If we manage to beat Clemson, or even make it a close game, I'll believe the ship is starting to turn. If Clemson blows us out I'll think we are back to where we were after the win in Athens in 2019.

It's hard to recruit on one win but knocking off 2 top 10 teams would open some eyes.
 
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