Beamer is a ripoff

[sclawman77]

$8.5M a year for what? Typical disappointment. Can't put together two consecutive successful seasons. I guess we have a legit shot against Clemson. Being bowl eligible this season is very iffy. If you're in your fifth season with a new contract, making bowl games should be a given

 

[gamecox4982]

Making a bowl game means absolutely nothing these days. It’s playoffs or nothing.

 

[gamecock stock]

Making a bowl game means absolutely nothing these days. It’s playoffs or nothing.

BINGO. Bowls are useless these days. I did not care enough to watch last year's bowl game (exhibition).

I know some folks here don't like Lane Kiffen. But even they have to admit he is one VERY good coach. He does not have up and down years. His Ole Miss teams are annually among the best in the nation. The same looks to be true about Eli Drinkwitz. No "up and down" years with Drinkwitz. Why not us?

 

[sclawman77]

Making a bowl game means absolutely nothing these days. It’s playoffs or nothing.

I'm in agreement, but I was talking about our program's football coach expectations. I don't think we can realistically expect playoffs every year (making it on occasion and being in the mix regularly would be nice), but my point was at very bare minimum we should expect bowl games every year if he's in year 5 and this year may not happen. And this year being preseason #11 with Sellers, Harbor and Stewart, missing the playoffs is a disappointment.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm in agreement, but I was talking about our program's football coach expectations. I don't think we can realistically expect playoffs every year (making it on occasion and being in the mix regularly would be nice), but my point was at very bare minimum we should expect bowl games every year if he's in year 5. And this year, being preseason #11 with Sellers, Harbor and Stewart missing the playoffs is a disappointment.

This is my thought as well. While bowls are now ridiculous, its a level of achievement that I feel should be the floor for a year.

 

[BoneSpur]

Hate the game, not the player. Beamer is coming to the same crossroad that Dabo did in his 5th yr. Dabo brought in Venables and managed to get two OCs working together with top talent. I am telling you that if Clemson had continued down the same road, they wouldn't have won NCs in 2016 and 2018. If Beamer keeps this same offensive staff with the schedule we have each year and adds another conference game next year, he will be fired within 2 more years.

 

[sclawman77]

BINGO. Bowls are useless these days. I did not care enough to watch last year's bowl game (exhibition).

I know some folks here don't like Lane Kiffen. But even they have to admit he is one VERY good coach. He does not have up and down years. His Ole Miss teams are annually among the best in the nation. The same looks to be true about Eli Drinkwitz. No "up and down" years with Drinkwitz. Why not us?

Ole Miss has a better program than us I won't argue that but also have never made the playoffs-if that's the gold standard.

 

[gamecock stock]

I'm in agreement, but I was talking about our program's football coach expectations. I don't think we can realistically expect playoffs every year (making it on occasion and being in the mix regularly would be nice), but my point was at very bare minimum we should expect bowl games every year if he's in year 5 and this year may not happen. And this year being preseason #11 with Sellers, Harbor and Stewart, missing the playoffs is a disappointment.

I don't disagree with that sentiment. I do, though, think it's sad that may be our ceiling in our current situation.

 

[gamecock stock]

Ole Miss has a better program than us I won't argue that but also have never made the playoffs-if that's the gold standard.

True. But they came close last year. And instead of falling back into mediocrity, they are in the hunt this season.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Some people are going to keep defending Beamer for the main reason they just don't want to admit they were wrong. I would ask them, in all honesty do you actually envision SB compiling a series of 10-11 win seasons and taking us to the CFP or at least being part of that conversation on a consistent basis.

 

[LonesomeRooster]

$8.5M a year for what? Typical disappointment. Can't put together two consecutive successful seasons. I guess we have a legit shot against Clemson. Being bowl eligible this season is very iffy. If you're in your fifth season with a new contract, making bowl games should be a given

We start slowly every year under Beamer. We still might get to 6-6 but that should be the floor every year. 3 or 4 wins is inexcusable.

 

[Piscis]

We start slowly every year under Beamer. We still might get to 6-6 but that should be the floor every year. 3 or 4 wins is inexcusable.

$8.5 million a year for 6 wins is absurd, especially when there are generally 4 gimmes baked into every season. If a coach making $8.5 million a year can't win 8 games a season, he needs to go.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Hate the game, not the player. Beamer is coming to the same crossroad that Dabo did in his 5th yr. Dabo brought in Venables and managed to get two OCs working together with top talent. I am telling you that if Clemson had continued down the same road, they wouldn't have won NCs in 2016 and 2018. If Beamer keeps this same offensive staff with the schedule we have each year and adds another conference game next year, he will be fired within 2 more years.

In a way, yes, Beamer is faced with the same decision that faced Swinney. However, for Swinney, it was making the move to get them from very good to elite. For Beamer, it's making the move to get us to be consistently good. Swinney, to his great credit, didn't screw around. After they got vaporized in the Orange Bowl, he went out and got Venables and paid him what at the time was crazy money for an assistant, right around $1 million. This was at a time when the average head coach salary was about $1.5 million. But that one move sealed Clemson's fate for the next 10+ years, cementing them as a powerhouse football program.

We will find out this offseason how serious Beamer is about winning. I think he has to pour everything into fixing the offense.

 

[LonesomeRooster]

I just saw this from Beamer's injury report, but we lost 3 starters on the OL during the Mizzo game. Henry, Baugh and Stanley. They may all be available against UK, but they missed the second half of the Mizzo game. Gabe Dindy went out on the DL too.

 

[SouthernBelly]

BINGO. Bowls are useless these days. I did not care enough to watch last year's bowl game (exhibition).

I know some folks here don't like Lane Kiffen. But even they have to admit he is one VERY good coach. He does not have up and down years. His Ole Miss teams are annually among the best in the nation. The same looks to be true about Eli Drinkwitz. No "up and down" years with Drinkwitz. Why not us?

Because South Carolina does not pursue coaches like that.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Hate the game, not the player. Beamer is coming to the same crossroad that Dabo did in his 5th yr. Dabo brought in Venables and managed to get two OCs working together with top talent. I am telling you that if Clemson had continued down the same road, they wouldn't have won NCs in 2016 and 2018. If Beamer keeps this same offensive staff with the schedule we have each year and adds another conference game next year, he will be fired within 2 more years.

Dabo brought in Venables after his 3rd full season as HC and parted with Napier a year earlier. That is a big difference between the two. Dabo gets rid of people intentionally who he doesn’t believe will cut it (firing Kevin Steele may have even been just because of that bowl game performance against WV). Beamer has fired one coach - a RB guy a couple years ago. He only has hired new OC’s because of departures not firings. Dabo is far from the best X’s & O’s coach but he seems to know that. I don’t think Shane accepts that about himself.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Dabo brought in Venables after his 3rd full season as HC and parted with Napier a year earlier. That is a big difference between the e two. Dabo gets rid of people intentionally who he doesn’t believe will cut it (firing Kevin Steele may have even been just because of that bowl game performance against WV). Beamer has fired one coach - a RB guy a couple years ago. He only has hired new OC’s because of departures nit firings. Dabo is far from the best X’s & O’s coach but he seems to know that. I don’t think Shane accepts that about himself.

The biggest thing any head coach does is manage assistants: hiring and firing. Nick Saban won with great assistants. Dabo won with great assistants. And both move on from underperforming ones.

Beamer just doesn't seem to have the knack for identifying quality assistants and is unable or unwilling to cut bait with those who aren't getting the job done.

He just doesn't seem to have the makeup for a head coach. It's like Nick Saban said about leadership: "If you want everyone to like you, sell ice cream." I'm not saying it's an easy job, or one that I could do, but he's the 17th highest paid head coach in the country. He makes almost as much as James Franklin who has PSU in CFP contention every year and on the verge of being consistent title contenders.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Some people are going to keep defending Beamer for the main reason they just don't want to admit they were wrong. I would ask them, in all honesty do you actually envision SB compiling a series of 10-11 win seasons and taking us to the CFP or at least being part of that conversation on a consistent basis.

They won't admit it. I'm a Gamecock fan. They're a Beamer fan. There's a big difference.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

We will find out this offseason how serious Beamer is about winning.

We will find out if Donati is serious about winning.

 

[sclawman77]

We will find out if Donati is serious about winning.

I can see coordinator/position coaches going possibly. Shane isn't going anywhere after inking that recent contract. He'll get a few seasons at least.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I can see coordinator/position coaches going possibly. Shane isn't going anywhere after inking that recent contract. He'll get a few seasons at least.

Donati may have to hire a couple of assistants for him. Clearly Shane needs help when it comes to hiring qualified assistants.

 

[Piscis]

They won't admit it. I'm a Gamecock fan. They're a Beamer fan. There's a big difference.

Being a coach lover is fairly common in college football. I remember the outrage when UGA fired Richt and hired Kirby. Richt had a cult like following at UGA, mostly because of his "good Christian man" persona. Richt was good but he underachieved more than almost any other coach considering the resources he had.

 

[SouthernBelly]

The biggest thing any head coach does is manage assistants: hiring and firing. Nick Saban won with great assistants. Dabo won with great assistants. And both move on from underperforming ones.

Beamer just doesn't seem to have the knack for identifying quality assistants and is unable or unwilling to cut bait with those who aren't getting the job done.

He just doesn't seem to have the makeup for a head coach. It's like Nick Saban said about leadership: "If you want everyone to like you, sell ice cream." I'm not saying it's an easy job, or one that I could do, but he's the 17th highest paid head coach in the country. He makes almost as much as James Franklin who has PSU in CFP contention every year and on the verge of being consistent title contenders.

Didn’t realize that is where he ranks among salaries. That is stupid. Again, the administration learned absolutely nothing from the debacles with Muschamp’s contracts. That spending lead to the state legislature looking into and restructuring the BoT. When a governing agency can rightly criticize how you spend money, you’re stupid. But yet nothing has changed.

There is a new AD…but eh. We’ll see if that makes a difference. If he was hired essentially by the same people that gave the job to Tanner then ain’t expecting anything significant. I don’t know how much input he had on the contract Beamer signed in January as Donati was introduced in early December. But he was on the job at the time. Really wish I knew his thoughts on it.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Being a coach lover is fairly common in college football. I remember the outrage when UGA fired Richt and hired Kirby. Richt had a cult like following at UGA, mostly because of his "good Christian man" persona. Richt was good but he underachieved more than almost any other coach considering the resources he had.

I wanted to hire him instead of Muchchamp.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Didn’t realize that is where he ranks among salaries. That is stupid. Again, the administration learned absolutely nothing from the debacles with Muschamp’s contracts. That spending lead to the state legislature looking into and restructuring the BoT. When a governing agency can rightly criticize how you spend money, you’re stupid. But yet nothing has changed.

There is a new AD…but eh. We’ll see if that makes a difference. If he was hired essentially by the same people that gave the job to Tanner then ain’t expecting anything significant. I don’t know how much input he had on the contract Beamer signed in January as Donati was introduced in early December. But he was on the job at the time. Really wish I knew his thoughts on it.

All the salary stuff was put in motion before he arrived.

The one hope is that the last time we had a decent football team, we had a good AD.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Didn’t realize that is where he ranks among salaries. That is stupid. Again, the administration learned absolutely nothing from the debacles with Muschamp’s contracts. That spending lead to the state legislature looking into and restructuring the BoT. When a governing agency can rightly criticize how you spend money, you’re stupid. But yet nothing has changed.

There is a new AD…but eh. We’ll see if that makes a difference. If he was hired essentially by the same people that gave the job to Tanner then ain’t expecting anything significant. I don’t know how much input he had on the contract Beamer signed in January as Donati was introduced in early December. But he was on the job at the time. Really wish I knew his thoughts on it.

It would be wonderful if Donati could use his TCU connections to get us their OC.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It would be wonderful if Donati could use his TCU connections to get us their OC.

Donati is our only hope. He's a serious AD. Ray was a terrible AD, so there is nowhere to go but up.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Donati is our only hope. He's a serious AD. Ray was a terrible AD, so there is nowhere to go but up.

I have some hope with Donati.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I have some hope with Donati.

He canned Gary Patterson at TCU even though he'd had a long and successful career there. The program was slipping and he made the tough call. Hired Sonny Dykes and got them to the national title game.

I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll mess around.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I lived in Ft. Worth during the Patterson days. When his quarterback was having drug problems he put winning ahead of what was best for his player.

 

[muscleknight]

Start paying both players and coaches by the win. If you lose you get nothing for the loss.

 

[Piscis]

I wanted to hire him instead of Muchchamp.

He would have been a 7 win coach at South Carolina. That said, the Muschamp hire was idiotic. He was a couple years removed from failing at UF, a program with much more access to talent and more resources than Carolina. Muschamp is a very good DC but he isn't a head coach.

Not hiring Chadwell was the biggest mistake Carolina has made in a long time.

 

[sclawman77]

He would have been a 7 win coach at South Carolina. That said, the Muschamp hire was idiotic. He was a couple years removed from failing at UF, a program with much more access to talent and more resources than Carolina. Muschamp is a very good DC but he isn't a head coach.

Not hiring Chadwell was the biggest mistake Carolina has made in a long time.

And our 2014 OT win in The Swamp got Muschamp officially fired from UF. Ray was in attendance that day. Then proceeds to hire him as head coach a year later.

Will was able to retire very comfortably in his mid 50s thanks to termination payoffs from UF and Carolina. He could be making millions on UGA's staff as long as he wants but he doesn't need the money.

 

[Lurker123]

Not hiring Chadwell was the biggest mistake Carolina has made in a long time.

I've always thought so too. Up until this year, the guys results were amazing.

Liberty is 1-3 right now though, although I admit I know nothing of their circumstances. I did see a game where they were hyping a qb on a new team that had been the liberty qb. Fwiw

 

[sclawman77]

I've always thought so too. Up until this year, the guys results were amazing.

Liberty is 1-3 right now though, although I admit I know nothing of their circumstances. I did see a game where they were hyping a qb on a new team that had been the liberty qb. Fwiw

I saw Chadwell mentioned as a possible candidate for the VT job along with a bunch of small school coaches I've never heard of. They're supposedly trying to add $50M to their AD budget I guess to pony up to pay the next coach. It won't be anything close to what Shane is making I'd assume.

 

[Lurker123]

Can't take credit for this, saw it on another board. Thought it was pertinent here.

Muschamp's SEC record at South Carolina was 17-22, a .436 winning percentage, and was fired for it.

Beamer is currently 15-19 in the SEC, a .441 winning percentage.

He needs to go 3-3 in the SEC the rest of the year, which would put him at 18-22 (.450) to finish the year with a better SEC winning percentage than Muschamp. If he goes 2-4 he'll be 17-23 (.425) and have a worse winning percentage than Muschamp.

 

[OldFlaCock]

Hate the game, not the player. Beamer is coming to the same crossroad that Dabo did in his 5th yr. Dabo brought in Venables and managed to get two OCs working together with top talent. I am telling you that if Clemson had continued down the same road, they wouldn't have won NCs in 2016 and 2018. If Beamer keeps this same offensive staff with the schedule we have each year and adds another conference game next year, he will be fired within 2 more years.

And should be,…….if not sooner!!!

 

[OldFlaCock]

Donati may have to hire a couple of assistants for him. Clearly Shane needs help when it comes to hiring qualified assistants.

He needs help getting rid of old ones too.! (No balls)

 

[gamecox4982]

I just saw this from Beamer's injury report, but we lost 3 starters on the OL during the Mizzo game. Henry, Baugh and Stanley. They may all be available against UK, but they missed the second half of the Mizzo game. Gabe Dindy went out on the DL too.

I just watched the game again and only focused on the OL…. #74 has got to be better or he needs to sit and watch.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I've always thought so too. Up until this year, the guys results were amazing.

Liberty is 1-3 right now though, although I admit I know nothing of their circumstances. I did see a game where they were hyping a qb on a new team that had been the liberty qb. Fwiw

Probably a bit harder to recruit 4* and 5* to come to Liberty. He could have done so here.