Better late-game sets/offense

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

The ole 30+ dribbles and crossovers by Bennett, then dribble off one ball screen to one side of the floor (aka probing), then dribble back out and look for another ball screen and constantly flirt with getting called for a moving screen offense we run down the stretch of games needs to be re-examined just a tad........in my merely humble opinion.

It's not working against Penn State. It's not working against Michigan......It's not working.

It's one thing if you're Caitlin Clark and you're a threat to score from anywhere and you got a fellow 2,000 pt scorer for a post who is historically efficient without even putting the ball on the floor setting those ball screens, but Iowa typically gets absolutely nothing in terms of a scoring threat on the roll off those ball screens, therefore it ends up being wasted motion (and time............), and we end up with a goofy as off-balanced shot by Bennett or a rushed attempt at offense from the other 4 players with the shot clock expiring.

Since some would ask, "well what would you have them do then".....I would recommend a give and go option with Stirtz and then cycling him back around off a screen away from the ball, but I'm not the college basketball coach here. That's up to them to decide if doing what doesn't work is their best option going forward or not.......

 

[Hawksbyamillion_rivals316961]

It was frustrating watching Stirtz pass up good shots in favor of teammates who not only didn’t have as good of a look, but typically are not a better shot than him. I usually detest hero ball but IMHO he should have taken some of those.

 

[JerseyCityHawk]

The ole 30+ dribbles and crossovers by Bennett, then dribble off one ball screen to one side of the floor (aka probing), then dribble back out and look for another ball screen and constantly flirt with getting called for a moving screen offense we run down the stretch of games needs to be re-examined just a tad........in my merely humble opinion.

It's not working against Penn State. It's not working against Michigan......It's not working.

It's one thing if you're Caitlin Clark and you're a threat to score from anywhere and you got a fellow 2,000 pt scorer for a post who is historically efficient without even putting the ball on the floor setting those ball screens, but Iowa typically gets absolutely nothing in terms of a scoring threat on the roll off those ball screens, therefore it ends up being wasted motion (and time............), and we end up with a goofy as off-balanced shot by Bennett or a rushed attempt at offense from the other 4 players with the shot clock expiring.

Since some would ask, "well what would you have them do then".....I would recommend a give and go option with Stirtz and then cycling him back around off a screen away from the ball, but I'm not the college basketball coach here. That's up to them to decide if doing what doesn't work is their best option going forward or not.......

Yes sir and agree with your statement

 

[Hawksfor3]

The ole 30+ dribbles and crossovers by Bennett, then dribble off one ball screen to one side of the floor (aka probing), then dribble back out and look for another ball screen and constantly flirt with getting called for a moving screen offense we run down the stretch of games needs to be re-examined just a tad........in my merely humble opinion.

It's not working against Penn State. It's not working against Michigan......It's not working.

It's one thing if you're Caitlin Clark and you're a threat to score from anywhere and you got a fellow 2,000 pt scorer for a post who is historically efficient without even putting the ball on the floor setting those ball screens, but Iowa typically gets absolutely nothing in terms of a scoring threat on the roll off those ball screens, therefore it ends up being wasted motion (and time............), and we end up with a goofy as off-balanced shot by Bennett or a rushed attempt at offense from the other 4 players with the shot clock expiring.

Since some would ask, "well what would you have them do then".....I would recommend a give and go option with Stirtz and then cycling him back around off a screen away from the ball, but I'm not the college basketball coach here. That's up to them to decide if doing what doesn't work is their best option going forward or not.......

We've had success in the pick and roll before. Why is it stalling now? Does our opponent's size and/or defense stop it?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

It was frustrating watching Stirtz pass up good shots in favor of teammates who not only didn’t have as good of a look, but typically are not a better shot than him. I usually detest hero ball but IMHO he should have taken some of those.

I haven't watched him enough to know how capable he is of the rise and pull from the elbow or just inside the lane, but he's being given a lot of space there coming off those screens, and even on some nifty crossover/step back dribbles, for such makeable shots, and he keeps passing them up.....................it leaves me with questions.

I get that modern basketball dictates that the mid range shot is punishable by death according to all the "ball-knower" talking heads whose voices seemingly comes from the hole in their as*, but if you can make 5 shots inside the 3 pt line per game regardless of competition, who gives a f*** where the shots are coming from?

10 pts is 10 pts, next gen stats and modern basketball efficiency be damned.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

We've had success in the pick and roll before. Why is it stalling now? Does our opponent's size and/or defense stop it?

Some of it is the obvious. Scouting. Interior defense/help positioning.

Some of it is flow. For whatever reason, and you'll see this in any tight game late. A pick and roll with 5 minutes to go in the 1st half can look more fluidly executed than a controlled, take your time and set everything up, pick and roll with under a minute to go in the game.

When you try to be more deliberate, you sometimes play right into the defense's hand when they're able to match you man to man and are capable enough at switching on screens and not fumbling over themselves like they're not D1 athletes.

 

[ajdl]

Howard 3s late is championship basketball!!!

 

[Hawklove]

It was frustrating watching Stirtz pass up good shots in favor of teammates who not only didn’t have as good of a look, but typically are not a better shot than him. I usually detest hero ball but IMHO he should have taken some of those.

It's not just him. All of them seem to want to pass first. I blasted into the atmosphere a few times when the guys passed up on great shots to make a pretty pass. And waiting till the last second to take a desperate 3 pointer is getting annoying to watch. Let me say it this way, I hated Fran’s defense, but I so badly miss his offense. And I love the effort these kids put in the games. Bless their hearts. But if they hadn’t lost to the likes of Penn State and Maryland, this loss would have been easier to take.
Still… Go Hawks!

 

[ComradeKirk]

Howard 3s late is championship basketball!!!

I understand we’re all just screaming into the void for an ounce of catharsis here, but we get it dude.

 

[Hawksbyamillion_rivals316961]

It's not just him. All of them seem to want to pass first. I blasted into the atmosphere a few times when the guys passed up on great shots to make a pretty pass. And waiting till the last second to take a desperate 3 pointer is getting annoying to watch. Let me say it this way, I hated Fran’s defense, but I so badly miss his offense. And I love the effort these kids put in the games. Bless their hearts. But if they hadn’t lost to the likes of Penn State and Maryland, this loss would have been easier to take.
Still… Go Hawks!

I agree wholeheartedly with you. I was yelling at the tv myself. I was referring to the late game situation there specifically.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Let me know the next time there are dozens of people on here, passionately breaking down and praising the staff's decisions and X's and O's.

This board is a setup. And as a multiplier, it will only ever act as a net negative for Hawkeye athletics

 

[cfhawk22]

Hawks have been great to watch this year. Ben is a great coach. Lazy *** people love to moan. This was a solid team effort tonight. Season has been a very solid first year. This team and coach deserves some credit.

 

[UIAlumFireFighter]

Hawks have been great to watch this year. Ben is a great coach. Lazy *** people love to moan. This was a solid team effort tonight. Season has been a very solid first year. This team and coach deserves some credit.

Not a terrible year - a lot of inconsistency. Nice to not get blown out by Michigan.

Hopefully Ben can recruit and play the portal, resulting in a much-improved year 2.

 

[Ozzie89]

It was frustrating watching Stirtz pass up good shots in favor of teammates who not only didn’t have as good of a look, but typically are not a better shot than him. I usually detest hero ball but IMHO he should have taken some of those.

The last one where Banks had the ball go off his leg, McCollum said to Stirtz during the TO “you cannot give that ball up at that point”

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Would have loved to see what "hero ball" would have done to the outcome late.

Felt like he could get to that stepback 3 or pull-up in the lane ANYTIME he wanted.

I'd take both those looks over anyone else's shots... Other that dunks.

His mid-range feels like a layup and against the shot blocking in the paint, it's a higher percentage shot that most of the guys forcing shots over him.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

The last one where Banks had the ball go off his leg, McCollum said to Stirtz during the TO “you cannot give that ball up at that point”

Dang... Absolutely the truth and you'd like to think he'd know that.

Hard for team oriented players like Stirtz to completely ignore an "open" player. Instinct can take over.

 

[huntinghawk]

The ole 30+ dribbles and crossovers by Bennett, then dribble off one ball screen to one side of the floor (aka probing), then dribble back out and look for another ball screen and constantly flirt with getting called for a moving screen offense we run down the stretch of games needs to be re-examined just a tad........in my merely humble opinion.

It's not working against Penn State. It's not working against Michigan......It's not working.

It's one thing if you're Caitlin Clark and you're a threat to score from anywhere and you got a fellow 2,000 pt scorer for a post who is historically efficient without even putting the ball on the floor setting those ball screens, but Iowa typically gets absolutely nothing in terms of a scoring threat on the roll off those ball screens, therefore it ends up being wasted motion (and time............), and we end up with a goofy as off-balanced shot by Bennett or a rushed attempt at offense from the other 4 players with the shot clock expiring.

Since some would ask, "well what would you have them do then".....I would recommend a give and go option with Stirtz and then cycling him back around off a screen away from the ball, but I'm not the college basketball coach here. That's up to them to decide if doing what doesn't work is their best option going forward or not.......

It actually results in a lot of open looks, but at least 3 guys are afraid to take the wide open shot. This forces a last second heave by Stirtz.

 

[airhawk]

The story of this game begins and ends with the total disparity in size and our one dimensional scoring choices. No true knock down shooters other than BS. Michigan goon in the middle and the Iowa lack of a true 5 was huge. IIRC this 7’9” goon got his first foul with about 5 minutes left in the game?? Cam played great but the tree in the middle affected a lot of our shot selection. Another point is the way the game was called in the first half compared to the second. You knew the uncalled physical play in the first wasn’t going to carry over to the second. Our close belly button defense had Michigan flustered into a lot of turnovers. There was a time in the second half where banks (and damn near looked like he was trying to foul) was playing extremely tight and got back to back fouls that took him out of the game and put Michigan into the bonus with 12 minutes left. They had 3 team fouls until late in the second half. We were trying to patch work the lineup together the whole second half because of the fouls situation. I think in the end we had 3 players foul out?
Valiant effort but just out manned.

 

[DukeSlater]

It was frustrating watching Stirtz pass up good shots in favor of teammates who not only didn’t have as good of a look, but typically are not a better shot than him. I usually detest hero ball but IMHO he should have taken some of those.

It's not hero ball when you're the best option. Hero ball is when your teammates are on a similar talent level as you, but you dominate the ball.

 

[DukeSlater]

I haven't watched him enough to know how capable he is of the rise and pull from the elbow or just inside the lane, but he's being given a lot of space there coming off those screens, and even on some nifty crossover/step back dribbles, for such makeable shots, and he keeps passing them up.....................it leaves me with questions.

I get that modern basketball dictates that the mid range shot is punishable by death according to all the "ball-knower" talking heads whose voices seemingly comes from the hole in their as*, but if you can make 5 shots inside the 3 pt line per game regardless of competition, who gives a f*** where the shots are coming from?

10 pts is 10 pts, next gen stats and modern basketball efficiency be damned.

Agreed. Ten points is better than 0 points that result from off-balance, forced shots at the end of the clock.

 

[83Hawk]

Agreed. Ten points is better than 0 points that result from off-balance, forced shots at the end of the clock.

I don’t like how basketball has become primarily shooting the 3 or layups/dunks. The mid-range shot is slowly becoming extinct.

 

[Slim45]

Dang... Absolutely the truth and you'd like to think he'd know that.

Hard for team oriented players like Stirtz to completely ignore an "open" player. Instinct can take over.

I dont mind him giving it up, as he wasn’t in a great spot to do anything. Banks should have known better than driving, he has to get the ball back to stirtz! I could understand banks driving on a fake handoff when his defender hedges hard or something of that nature, but straight iso ball like that was a terrible decision