Big 12 Expansion effect on the AAC.

[SchmidtyNole_rivals]

This is a critical time in the College Football expansion landscape. And the conference that has to show their hand is the Big 12. They really need to expand in my opinion. The reason in my opinion is that sitting at 10 teams leaves their conference vulnerable to getting raided again by the other 4 Power 5 Conferences. They need to add 2 or 4 more members and get to 12 or 14 teams like the other Power 5 Conferences. The problem is there aren't a lot of good candidates because the other 4 Power 5 Conferences are kind of settled in. So where would the Big 12 look? The AAC most likely.

That leads to another point. Aresco has said he wants the AAC to play there way into Power conference status. It's going to be tough if his conference gets raided again. The other thing is a lot of the good coaches in the AAC view that conference as a stepping stone conference. Example: Justin Fuente leaving for Virginia Tech just as soon as Memphis becomes relevant. Anybody have any thoughts on this?

 

[kozmas]

Memphis has to invest money in their athletic program to be relevant and that is something they have done very little of. Fuentes leaving was a big blow too them but it was also expected. Memphis is where Louisville was back in the 70's in regards to there athletic program.
It was just announced today that Mempis is courting the Big 12 and they are promising to spend 500 million dollars to improve the University athletically and academically for inclusion into the Big 12. They also want to host the Big 12 tournament the coming year to show what they have to offer the Big 12.
Whether they make it into the Big 12 or not I think they have figured out the game strategy awful late because of poor leadership. Louisville made major upgrades and continuously improved their situation years before they made it into a major conference. Memphis is promising to do it if they get invited.

I also think it is a bad idea for them to try and impress the Big 12 by inviting them to play their tournament in the city before they are in the conference. Years ago Memphis hosted the SEC basketball tournament in the Pyramid and it was a public relations disaster for the city. There were so many people panhandling in front of the Pyramid, car break-ins and people held up right off of Beale street. The SEC said they would never return to Memphis and sent out a warning to other conferences considering Memphis as a playoff site.

The main thing Memphis has going for them is that they do have Fred Smith backing them and he is very involved in the process.

 

[kozmas]

Fred Smith the owner of FedEx is offering the Big 12 FedEx sponsorship if they accept Memphis as a member of the Big 12. The U of Memphis is promising too spend 500 million dollars in 5 years on improvements to the the athletic and academic programs at U of M if they are accepted as a member.

 

[Cue Card]

Memphis, Houston, UConn, and Cincinnati are the 4 which IMO are in the best position to jump from the AAC to the B12. Basketball would be upgraded with UConn, Memphis and Cincinnati. Houston would offer up another Texas team for the Longhorns to control.

Since common sense and geography was replaced by money and the desire for more money, those 4 are ripe for the picking. I have a couple of other teams in other conferences that I believe are also ripe for picking. BYU and Colorado State. The B12 might want to think about going West.

 

[SchmidtyNole_rivals]

Memphis has to invest money in their athletic program to be relevant and that is something they have done very little of. Fuentes leaving was a big blow too them but it was also expected. Memphis is where Louisville was back in the 70's in regards to there athletic program.
It was just announced today that Mempis is courting the Big 12 and they are promising to spend 500 million dollars to improve the University athletically and academically for inclusion into the Big 12. They also want to host the Big 12 tournament the coming year to show what they have to offer the Big 12.
Whether they make it into the Big 12 or not I think they have figured out the game strategy awful late because of poor leadership. Louisville made major upgrades and continuously improved their situation years before they made it into a major conference. Memphis is promising to do it if they get invited.

I also think it is a bad idea for them to try and impress the Big 12 by inviting them to play their tournament in the city before they are in the conference. Years ago Memphis hosted the SEC basketball tournament in the Pyramid and it was a public relations disaster for the city. There were so many people panhandling in front of the Pyramid, car break-ins and people held up right off of Beale street. The SEC said they would never return to Memphis and sent out a warning to other conferences considering Memphis as a playoff site.

The main thing Memphis has going for them is that they do have Fred Smith backing them and he is very involved in the process.

I don't see how any conference could have passed on Louisville back in 2012 when the Big 12 had the choice between Louisville and West Virginia. West Virginia has a nice Football program. But Louisville had everything to offer. Louisville was a big fish in a small pond in that one year in the AAC with a lot of potential. Louisville is top notch in Football, Men's Basketball, Baseball and many of the Olympic Sports. Couple with that, Louisville generates Top 20 revenue and invests that money back into the athletic program.

I'll say this. The ACC has benefited Louisville for sure. But I think Louisville has benefited the ACC even more. Especially when you consider the Cards replaced Maryland.

 

[kozmas]

I agree with you Schmidty both parties have benefitted greatly from the union.

 

[gocds]

I don't see how any conference could have passed on Louisville back in 2012 when the Big 12 had the choice between Louisville and West Virginia. West Virginia has a nice Football program. But Louisville had everything to offer. Louisville was a big fish in a small pond in that one year in the AAC with a lot of potential. Louisville is top notch in Football, Men's Basketball, Baseball and many of the Olympic Sports. Couple with that, Louisville generates Top 20 revenue and invests that money back into the athletic program.

I'll say this. The ACC has benefited Louisville for sure. But I think Louisville has benefited the ACC even more. Especially when you consider the Cards replaced Maryland.

Thanks for the nice words SchmidtyNole. You gotta believe that UofL is just as happy as you are for us to be in the ACC. The ACC, in my opinion, saved our athletic lives for the long term.

GO CARDS - BEAT EVERYBODY!!! God Bless America!!!

 

[Cue Card]

I agree with you Schmidty both parties have benefitted greatly from the union.

I agree as well. UofL getting a spot in the ACC was awesome for both. I know I'm thrilled with the Cards being in the ACC. It's 100% pure satisfaction.

 

[American Male]

I don't see how any conference could have passed on Louisville back in 2012 when the Big 12 had the choice between Louisville and West Virginia. West Virginia has a nice Football program. But Louisville had everything to offer. Louisville was a big fish in a small pond in that one year in the AAC with a lot of potential. Louisville is top notch in Football, Men's Basketball, Baseball and many of the Olympic Sports. Couple with that, Louisville generates Top 20 revenue and invests that money back into the athletic program.

I'll say this. The ACC has benefited Louisville for sure. But I think Louisville has benefited the ACC even more. Especially when you consider the Cards replaced Maryland.

You know Louisville was once a part of a conference with several ACC Teams...FSU, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech...Its like coming home after being LOST in the Wilderness for 25+ years!!!

 

[zipp_rivals]

I don't see how any conference could have passed on Louisville back in 2012 when the Big 12 had the choice between Louisville and West Virginia. West Virginia has a nice Football program. But Louisville had everything to offer...

The big mistake that the Big XII made was not inviting both. But they were taking their typically measured approach: one team that benefits them the most, and assuming that the rest of the world stands still now and in the near future.

With just one invite, a person can argue WHICH team all he wants. The Big XII was obviously looking more at the football tradition of WVU, i.e., a historical perspective on just one sport. To your point, U of L offered more of a forward-looking benefit across more sports.

We obviously feel incredibly thankful to the ACC for its forward-looking approach. And we agree that these relationships should be mutually beneficial. I'm not sure if anyone heard the "ACC" chants near the end of the U of L-Vandy baseball game last nite...

 

[cardstud1]

I don't see how any conference could have passed on Louisville back in 2012 when the Big 12 had the choice between Louisville and West Virginia. West Virginia has a nice Football program. But Louisville had everything to offer. Louisville was a big fish in a small pond in that one year in the AAC with a lot of potential. Louisville is top notch in Football, Men's Basketball, Baseball and many of the Olympic Sports. Couple with that, Louisville generates Top 20 revenue and invests that money back into the athletic program.

I'll say this. The ACC has benefited Louisville for sure. But I think Louisville has benefited the ACC even more. Especially when you consider the Cards replaced Maryland.

Ditto

 

[fredburgcard_rivals157045]

During my lifetime the Cards have been a member of the Missouri Valley, Metro, Conference USA, Big East, American and Atlantic Coast conferences and has been an Independent. Four of those conferences did not exist when I was born and one came into existence and died during my lifetime. There were many reasons why the Cards moved from conference to conference.

I have no doubt that regardless of how much longer I'll be around the Cards will be a member of the ACC. I also have no doubt that the younger Card fans on this board will not go through any more conference changes in their lifetimes. Had the Big 12 taken UofL in 2012 with WVU I I could not make that assertion.

It's nice to have finally reached the promised land.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Thank your lucky stars that Louisville isn't in the Big XII...again a Zombie Conference....

Fox Sports analysts Bruce Feldman and Stewart Mandel were joined by CBS Sports' Dennis Dodd to discuss Big 12 expansion on the most recent edition of The Audible.

The trio discussed Texas' and Oklahoma's roles in the conference's expansion. Dodd said the Longhorns and Sooners are likely looking for "greener pastures."

"I think Texas and Oklahoma are will be gone [from the Big 12], and there will be an entity, perhaps named the Big 12, with [UCF, BYU, and/or Cincinnati] in it," Dodd said. "I think clearly Texas and Oklahoma have their eyes on greener pastures. I talked to an Oklahoma person this week, he gave a little detail on they were 30 minutes away from going to the Pac-12 in 2010. Actually very close both times in 2010 and 2011.

"Basically Texas scuttled that by agreeing to stay in the league. He told me that they were working on trying to get Notre Dame to the Big 12, not now but at one time. Oklahoma was working to get that. I think they're both gone as soon as this media rights deal ends just for greener pastures."

Dodd on Texas' influence on Big 12 expansion:

"It almost seems like Texas has lost a little bit of its swagger just because of their lack of success on the football field lately. No one really knows how they feel about this, but what we're talking about, they haven't been able to to tip their hand from what I've been able to see. But they're going to doggedly defend the Longhorn Network. Somehow they're going to end up out of this making $15 million a year from ESPN. Now if that means divesting the network into some sort of Big 12 network out of Austin, they're going to get paid. I think the only question if that happens is that they have to save face and it has to be like their idea. But that is the 800-pound elephant in the room. I don't know if it is so much with expansion. But it certainly is with the conference network."

Dodd on where Texas and Oklahoma end up:

"I don't think right now Texas would go the SEC because I don't think their board [of regents] would allow them - Texas views itself academically a little bit different - so I don't think that would happen, right now. It may change in eight years or six years, but I don't know what the landscape is going to look like. There is something to be said for being in a league you think you could win. I think Oklahoma would go to the SEC. But how competitive or how hard is it going to be to win that league? I think both of them might be in play for the Pac-12 again. Clearly with all this money, geography is not an issue ... They could end up in the Pac-12. Texas to the Big 10, I could easily see - Oklahoma may be a little less. But those are two name brands for any conference."

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...-audible-texas-oklahoma-eyes-greener-pastures

 

[shamcard]

This is a critical time in the College Football expansion landscape. And the conference that has to show their hand is the Big 12. They really need to expand in my opinion. The reason in my opinion is that sitting at 10 teams leaves their conference vulnerable to getting raided again by the other 4 Power 5 Conferences. They need to add 2 or 4 more members and get to 12 or 14 teams like the other Power 5 Conferences. The problem is there aren't a lot of good candidates because the other 4 Power 5 Conferences are kind of settled in. So where would the Big 12 look? The AAC most likely.

That leads to another point. Aresco has said he wants the AAC to play there way into Power conference status. It's going to be tough if his conference gets raided again. The other thing is a lot of the good coaches in the AAC view that conference as a stepping stone conference. Example: Justin Fuente leaving for Virginia Tech just as soon as Memphis becomes relevant. Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Houston and Memphis are the most likely from a geographic reason.

 

[cardstud1]

You know Louisville was once a part of a conference with several ACC Teams...FSU, Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech...Its like coming home after being LOST in the Wilderness for 25+ years!!!

Strange, Going back before the ,metro days UL played Miami GTect, FSU, Marshall, quite a bit of history.

 

[CardFanBudMan]

Houston and Memphis are the most likely from a geographic reason.

Which means very little. In fact, in Houston's case it is a detriment.