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Here's the current timeline for the new schools


1. Four schools to apply for membership​

UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and BYU will apply for Big 12 membership this week according to SI's Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde. Once the applications are submitted, the Big 12 presidents will meet to vote on the four expansion candidates.

2. Friday meeting between presidents​

In the same report from Dellenger and Forde, they reported that the four applicants "could be approved for admission in a meeting of Big 12 presidents Sept. 10." September 10 is Friday, the day before BYU's matchup against arch-rival Utah.

The timeline is still fluid - a vote on Sept. 10 is not guaranteed. If the presidents do vote, however, the "league has the eight votes needed for expansion."

3. Formal invitations as early as this week​

To reiterate, the timeline is fluid. If the Big 12 presidents come together to vote on Friday, formal invitations could be extended to BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston on the same day. According to a report from The Athletic, "All four schools are expected to accept those invitations."

4. Lawyers will begin ironing out the details​

Once BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati accept the invitations, the lawyers will get to work.

The first thing on the agenda? Timeline. The four schools will join the league sometime between 2022 and 2024. Dellenger and Forde reported that the schools "will join the league by 2023 or, at the very latest, 2024." According to a different report from Brett McMurphy, however, "It’s possible BYU could join the Big 12 as early as the 2022 season and then the three American Conference teams — Cincinnati, Houston and UCF — may not join until a year or two later."

Next on the agenda will be the financial payouts for the four new schools. According to Dellenger and Forde, "The four new members are not expected to immediately get full distribution shares," said Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde of Sports Illustarted. "However, their first-year shares in the Big 12 are expected to double if not triple their American distribution, which is around $6 million or $7 million."

5. Will the Big 12 retain its autonomous status?​

One of the most important storylines to follow will be whether the Big 12 retains its power-five status following the departures of Texas and Oklahoma. This might not be resolved this week or even this year. However, college football leaders told Dellenger and Forde that they believe "the Big 12 will retain its status as an Autonomy 5 league."
 
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Buckaineer said:
Here's the current timeline for the new schools


1. Four schools to apply for membership​

UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and BYU will apply for Big 12 membership this week according to SI's Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde. Once the applications are submitted, the Big 12 presidents will meet to vote on the four expansion candidates.

2. Friday meeting between presidents​

In the same report from Dellenger and Forde, they reported that the four applicants "could be approved for admission in a meeting of Big 12 presidents Sept. 10." September 10 is Friday, the day before BYU's matchup against arch-rival Utah.

The timeline is still fluid - a vote on Sept. 10 is not guaranteed. If the presidents do vote, however, the "league has the eight votes needed for expansion."

3. Formal invitations as early as this week​

To reiterate, the timeline is fluid. If the Big 12 presidents come together to vote on Friday, formal invitations could be extended to BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, and Houston on the same day. According to a report from The Athletic, "All four schools are expected to accept those invitations."

4. Lawyers will begin ironing out the details​

Once BYU, UCF, Houston, and Cincinnati accept the invitations, the lawyers will get to work.

The first thing on the agenda? Timeline. The four schools will join the league sometime between 2022 and 2024. Dellenger and Forde reported that the schools "will join the league by 2023 or, at the very latest, 2024." According to a different report from Brett McMurphy, however, "It’s possible BYU could join the Big 12 as early as the 2022 season and then the three American Conference teams — Cincinnati, Houston and UCF — may not join until a year or two later."

Next on the agenda will be the financial payouts for the four new schools. According to Dellenger and Forde, "The four new members are not expected to immediately get full distribution shares," said Ross Dellenger and Pat Forde of Sports Illustarted. "However, their first-year shares in the Big 12 are expected to double if not triple their American distribution, which is around $6 million or $7 million."

5. Will the Big 12 retain its autonomous status?​

One of the most important storylines to follow will be whether the Big 12 retains its power-five status following the departures of Texas and Oklahoma. This might not be resolved this week or even this year. However, college football leaders told Dellenger and Forde that they believe "the Big 12 will retain its status as an Autonomy 5 league."
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Dellenger and Forde have poor sources, this is all messed up, much of this has already happened.
 
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I dont think we could beat any of those teams this season based off what we saw yesterday. Hopefully next years recruiting class truly makes a difference.
 
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Awfully nice they had security nearby to quickly respond. What a joke!
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The mascot for the Texans even putting in work


The UH fanbase is like Louisville on steroids.
The city itself is very blue collar even though it has more millionaires than anywhere in the US
That “roughneck” mentality combine with a huge black and Hispanic population
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
The mascot for the Texans even putting in work


The UH fanbase is like Louisville on steroids.
The city itself is very blue collar even though it has more millionaires than anywhere in the US
That “roughneck” mentality combine with a huge black and Hispanic population
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Gorilla Monsoon voice....

And Toro with the high cross body...he really got up on that one Bobby
 
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Very interesting comments from Texas Tech's AD on the expansion process taking place:


Hocutt mentioned that Big 12 Conference presidents are scheduled to talk on Monday. The discussions on Monday could be a lead-up to a September 10 meeting that Sports Illustrated first reported.
The other revelation during Hocutt's interview with Jensen and Harris is that the Big 12 Conference could already be planning a second set of expansion.
Hocutt told the duo that he sees conference realignment being an "eight to 10-year process" for the Big 12. A second set of schools could be invited to the Big 12 Conference once the exits of Texas and Oklahoma, and the integration of the first set of new schools, is completed.

Read More: Kirby Hocutt Alludes to Two-Part Expansion Process for Big 12 | https://kkam.com/texas-tech-athleti...rence/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral
 
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More info about what happened today at the BIG 12 meetings:

Sports Illustrated had also reported last Friday that a vote for this coming Friday could happen.


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Sources: Big 12 presidents held a meeting on Monday. No votes took place, as it was more an informational meeting to go over the impending applications of UCF, Cincinnati, BYU and Houston to join the league. 1/3

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Applications are expected to come in within the next 48 hours. A formal vote is being planned for later this week, likely on Friday. All systems still appear on track. “We’re heading toward adding four teams in the next short period of time.”




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The tentative projection remains that the four teams come in for the 2023 season. That means two more Big 12 seasons at 10 teams and two at 14 before OU/UT planned departure after '24 . The league could still consider another round of expansion prior to the new television deal.


Thamel quoted a source as saying, “We’re heading toward adding four teams in the next short period of time.”


As far as the timeline for the four schools to start competing in the Big 12, Thamel reported that it will likely be in 2023, meaning two more seasons of 10 teams in the conference, then two seasons with 14 before Texas and Oklahoma depart for the SEC after the 2024 season, when the Big 12’s TV deal expires.


Thamel did note, “The league could still consider another round of expansion prior to the new television deal.”
 
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I LOL at “who had it first” Myself, being a guy that knows a few people, called this several weeks ago. I also know a guy that doesn’t know poopy from apple butter, said in August that he expected BYU, UH, UCF and UC to be invited.

seriously? It’s a no brainer so everyone stop acting like you know because everyone knows.
 
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I would pay more to free up Houston and make Texas play them in Houston every year until they leave. It would totally be worth it.
 
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Report: BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston Have Applied for Big 12 Membership​


It looks like the Big 12 expansion saga will be finalized this week.

Hours after it was reported that the University of Cincinnati had formerly applied for membership to the Big 12, the remaining Big 12 expansion frontrunners have now, apparently, followed suit.

Action Network’s Brett McMurphy reported on Wednesday night that BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston have all officially applied for league membership, and that their inclusion may be a no-brainer.
McMurphy is also reporting that Big 12 presidents on Friday will vote to accept all four schools and that a news conference will be held that same day. CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd reported earlier Wednesday that all four schools would get a “rubber stamp” approval by the league’s presidents.
 
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Source: BYU officials ‘are confident’ Cougars will be voted into the Big 12 on Friday​


A BYU source confirmed to the Deseret News Wednesday night that the school completed the application process and BYU officials “are confident” that the Cougars will be voted in.

Athletic director Tom Holmoe said on BYUtv last Saturday before BYU’s 24-16 win over Arizona in Las Vegas that BYU has maintained a good relationship with Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby since 2016, when the league explored expansion but ultimately decided against it......


As for when the four newcomers will begin playing in the Big 12, that, too, is uncertain. Because of its independent status in football, BYU should have an easier time making the transition in that sport than the others......

“Of all the possible options the Big 12 could have added, BYU was the most obvious,” wrote Kyle Bonagura of ESPN. “It has a proud history and recent success in football, a national fan base and minimal red tape to cut through as an independent without a conference to leave.”
 
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Still don’t believe the SEC is done especially with FSU pushing for a “look in” to that awful media deal. Never say Never, but B12 losing WVU wouldn’t be a major loss to B12 and they could pick up a USF or SMU….if that happened. SEC can grab anyone they want out of ACC and Big 12
 
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Sounds like they are adding 4 to get to 14, then will add at least two more when OU and Texas officially leave. Maybe they'll go to 16 at that point--might need the markets for the new media rights agreements.
 
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Sounds like they are adding 4 to get to 14, then will add at least two more when OU and Texas officially leave. Maybe they'll go to 16 at that point--might need the markets for the new media rights agreements.
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That would be really diluted competively
 
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Sounds like they are adding 4 to get to 14, then will add at least two more when OU and Texas officially leave. Maybe they'll go to 16 at that point--might need the markets for the new media rights agreements.
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In other words a **** show of minor programs.
 
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Darth_VadEER said:
That would be really diluted competively
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how so? If you take schools that have been very competitive such as Memphis, perhaps Boise, or a few others along with highly competitive Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, Houston---schools that have been able to compete with and defeat so called P5 schools and add them to the highly competitive remaining Core 8, to pretend it won't be one of the top few conferences competitively top to bottom is not being honest.
 
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If WVU has plans on leaving it will be announced soon

New schools will create a new media contract
The idea as of now is the Big 12 expands with the help of ESPN
Big 12 releases the media rights of Texas and OU
In exchange ESPN extends the media contract of the Big 12

I am not sure if there will be GOR involved in a new one
If there isn’t WVU is forcing themselves to pay more if they decide to leave in the future
More than that ESPN controls the door to the ACC so if this was to happen a move would be announced
 
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Here is some clarity from Baylor's AD:

Baylor AD Mack Rhoades Q&A on Big 12 Expansion, Grant of Rights & more​


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I don't know if I've ever asked you this. Does the Big 12 expanding, whenever that time comes or even discussing expansion, does that in any way shape or form affect the grant of rights with anybody else in the conference?​


Mack Rhoades: In general, no, it does not.

Before this happened you guys were working on the next TV deal and all of those rights. And then this kind of threw a wrench. How much involved is the conference now talking with potential other TV partners? And how difficult are those discussions not being able to really know what you're saying just yet?​


Mack Rhoades: I was part of that committee. For now, those conversations, that dialogue has been put on pause until we have more clarity, a better understanding of what the Big 12 is going to be, the number of institutions. But certainly here in the near future I think we'll begin to reengage.


You think about 2024-2025, it's a long time from now. This has been a really changing landscape, and I would say rapidly changing landscape when you think about television, and you think about cord cutting, and linear television broadcasts. Right now, CBS to some degree, but it's primarily ESPN and FOX. Three to four years from now, five years from now, are there more buyers in that space when we think about college athletics, live content, live content, linear?


And then I think we're still figuring out the digital aspects. Obviously, ESPN has ESPN+, but does an Amazon or Netflix or some of those others get into this space? And how do you monetize that? A lot of fluidity to all of it, but to answer your question, we'll get back reengaged here in the near future once we have a little bit more certainty about about who we are.

I want to ask you about a timeline. I know you're kind of bound by the nondisclosure agreement and all that. So you have 10 teams, two of them are leaving. Can the conference have discussion on expansion while they're still a part of the conference?​


Mack Rhoades: Can we have conversation discussion about it? Absolutely.


Can you vote on it?​


Mack Rhoades: Yeah, absolutely we can. I'll jump ahead and answer the next question. Can we add before those two leave? Yes, absolutely we can. So those are things that are all in play, all been talked about, vetted. And again, I think I started the segment where I'm not going to be bashful about saying that I think the Big 12 has a bright future.


On top of that, if in fact you can do all of what you just mentioned, you are doing that, does that in any way affect the current television contract that you have that runs through 24-25?​


Mack Rhoades: Not negatively. It does not. Could it enhance? That would remain to be seen if we indeed change membership prior to the end of the current contract. But negatively impact? No, I don't believe so. We don't believe so.

You have been an AD in other places, does that give you maybe even more insight on what can be accomplished in other places where you've been?​


Mack Rhoades: Yeah, I think it does. I think it gives me some insight into any of those particular institutions. I'm grateful for the other seven member institutions that will remain in the Big 12. There's great value there. I’ve got great respect for the presidents and chancellors to the athletic directors. If we choose to grow and bring in additional members, we owe it to each of ourselves, we owe it to the eight to be really, really thoughtful and careful about who those members are in making sure that they make the Big 12 better, that they don't weigh down the Big 12, and gives us great opportunities to grow.
 
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