Big 12 to do Championship Game without Divisions

JasonS.

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I like this. Divisions are kind of silly in general ... but especially when you already play everyone in the conference like the Big 12.
 

UKWildcats#8

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So if my team goes 9-0 we have to play the 2nd place team again? Oh how exciting for fans of that team.

I mean seems silly to me. You already play everyone, so I don't see why you have a championship game as the champ has already truly been determined IMO. And yes, Baylor was the champ in 2014 IMO, they beat TCU head to head!
 

PushupMan

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So if my team goes 9-0 we have to play the 2nd place team again? Oh how exciting for fans of that team.

I mean seems silly to me. You already play everyone, so I don't see why you have a championship game as the champ has already truly been determined IMO. And yes, Baylor was the champ in 2014 IMO, they beat TCU head to head!

You have a championship game because it's been proven that having just 12 games is a disadvantage when being compared to teams that have played 13 games for selection by the CFP committee.
 

bthaunert

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Last year, the Big 12 championship game would have been between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State....a week after playing each other in the final game of the season. This season, it could very well be between Baylor and WVU (if they did it this year).....a week after playing each other in the final game of the season. IMO, they need to do something with the scheduling so that teams don't play one another in back-to-back weekends....that will kill this game imo.
 

RDF922

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Wait till the undefeated Big 12 regular season champ loses a spot in the playoff because it loses in that not needed title game.
Stupid!!! They should've just added two teams and been done. They will be absorbed in the next round of expansions.
 

bthaunert

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I don't know why the Big12 is just standing pat. Add Houston and Cincinnati, make 2 divisions and call it a day.
 
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JasonS.

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Last year, the Big 12 championship game would have been between Oklahoma and Oklahoma State....a week after playing each other in the final game of the season. This season, it could very well be between Baylor and WVU (if they did it this year).....a week after playing each other in the final game of the season. IMO, they need to do something with the scheduling so that teams don't play one another in back-to-back weekends....that will kill this game imo.

It's a good point. Last few years Big 12 has really backloaded it's schedule (as you noted) ... I'd guess we see that change some heading into next year.
 

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That may be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So if Oklahoma goes 9-0 and Texas goes 7-2 and finishes 2nd, they can play in a championship game and beat Oklahoma and be the conference champion? It would seem to me that since everyone plays everyone, Oklahoma would have already won the conference.

I am so glad we didn't get into the Big 12. The ACC is a much better fit on so many levels.
 

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Crazy. IMO, the BIG XII-II already has the best schedule for deterring a true conference champion, a 9 game round robin schedule. The ONLY way it could be better is an 11th member so you could play 5 and 5, home and away.

Football is just not a game for rematches.

Peace
 

anon_rzjx6cwu0llqq

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I don't understand how they can do this? Has it not been a long-standing NCAA rule that a conference must have a minimum of 12 teams to even have a championship game?
 

PushupMan

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I don't understand how they can do this? Has it not been a long-standing NCAA rule that a conference must have a minimum of 12 teams to even have a championship game?

The NCAA last January changed the rule to allow a conference with less than 12 teams that plays a true round robin schedule to hold a championship game. The Big XII requested the change and all of the major conferences except for the SEC voted to allow it.
 

Perrin75

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Right now there are 6 teams with 2 or fewer losses. There are multiple games between these six against each other over the next few weeks. How much excitement is this game going to generate when they have to go to their sixth tie breaker to even see who is playing in the championship game? At this point, the Big 12 just deserves to go away. I don't know if the commissioner is using a dart board or a big wheel to make decisions, but whichever it is, someone please take it away from him.
 
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Grumpyolddawg

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Wait till the undefeated Big 12 regular season champ loses a spot in the playoff because it loses in that not needed title game.
Stupid!!! They should've just added two teams and been done. They will be absorbed in the next round of expansions.

That's my thinking on it too, one team 12-0, 2nd place is 10-2, 10-2 wins title game, I don't see how you can leave the champion out and put the runner up in the playoff, or how you can justify it anyway, over the other teams with 1 loss.
 

reflaine

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I kinda like it. The year Baylor and tcu split it would of been a crazy game with unbelievable hype. I like this as it isn't a luck of the year schedule draw for a team to have to play on the road and lose. Now they get a chance to redeem that on a neutral field.

Some years it won't be as exciting as others, but other conferences does this also. Wasn't too long ago a 6-6 team played in the PAC 12 championship. This years sec championship game could be a very lackluster hype game (ESP of Kentucky somehow makes it). But it allows you to not be hurt by the system of it comes down to that once again.
 

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That may be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. So if Oklahoma goes 9-0 and Texas goes 7-2 and finishes 2nd, they can play in a championship game and beat Oklahoma and be the conference champion? It would seem to me that since everyone plays everyone, Oklahoma would have already won the conference.

I am so glad we didn't get into the Big 12. The ACC is a much better fit on so many levels.
Was about to go on a rant until I realized you're a Louisville fan. Yes, y'all are definitely better off in the ACC. I'd like to see WVU added to the ACC. Makes more sense and gives y'all another "rivalry" game. Louisville fits in the ACC...Big 12 I just don't see it.
 

PushupMan

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That's my thinking on it too, one team 12-0, 2nd place is 10-2, 10-2 wins title game, I don't see how you can leave the champion out and put the runner up in the playoff, or how you can justify it anyway, over the other teams with 1 loss.

It's basically the same problem we have with a division winner who is 10-2 going up against someone who is 12-0 from the other division. If the 10-2 team wins, it has the very real possibility of knocking both teams out of the playoffs.

For example, this year say Alabama loses a rematch with Tennessee, while Michigan, Washington, Clemson and Baylor all go undefeated. I could almost imagine the committee settling the choice between Baylor and an SEC team with a pistol duel.