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TeamBig 12 RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreakOverall RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreak
Iowa State6-10.8574-02-10-0W36-20.7504-12-10-0W3
Oklahoma5-20.7142-12-11-0W56-20.7503-12-11-0W5
Oklahoma State4-20.6672-12-10-0L15-20.7143-12-10-0L1
Texas4-20.6672-12-00-1W35-20.7143-12-00-1W3
West Virginia4-30.5714-00-30-0W15-30.6255-00-30-0W1
Kansas State4-30.5712-12-20-0L34-40.5002-22-20-0L3
TCU3-40.4291-32-10-0L13-40.4291-32-10-0L1
Texas Tech2-50.2862-20-30-0W13-50.3753-20-30-0W1
Baylor1-50.1671-10-40-0L51-50.1671-10-40-0L5
Kansas0-60.0000-20-40-0L60-70.0000-30-40-0L7


Unless Kansas State suddenly gets good enough to beat Texas, then OU gets to the final by winning out. There are 30 possible scenarios of combinations of who makes the XII CCG, based on results of the five other top teams in the conference. There are still three of them, where OU can win out but still not make the CCG. All three include the Wildcats beating the Longhorns. We still get there sometimes if that happens anyway. But I don't see it happening.
 
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kcstorm06 said:
Gut feeling about shorthorns beating the Clones...trap game on road. Anyone else have this same feeling?
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I'll take the other side of this one. Iowa St. has a balanced attack. The horns are not that improved if we judge the near miss they had with OkieLite compared to our dismantling of OSU(I know some suspect logic in here). The Clones have been consistent and competitive in all of their games and if K ST is an indication, they could be trending up like us on defense. Tx will have to play run and pass defense. Tx made Pledger look like a 5 * recruit at times. The Iowa St. back seems to be for real.
 
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kcstorm06 said:
Gut feeling about shorthorns beating the Clones...trap game on road. Anyone else have this same feeling?
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teams like iowa st (or osu a few years ago, minnesota last yr etc) usually stumble on the path they've not been on before. it's why OU, bama, Tosu find ways to win when the 2nd tier teams choke on potential success. so....look for the clones to lay an egg in austin
 
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Tollboothmgr said:
teams like iowa st (or osu a few years ago, minnesota last yr etc) usually stumble on the path they've not been on before. it's why OU, bama, Tosu find ways to win when the 2nd tier teams choke on potential success. so....look for the clones to lay an egg in austin
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Good point and I do not know the injury or covid situations, obviously, just my .02, Clones are trending up. Even with extra off week for Tx I just think they are ill-equipped on this one. I will say this, I would rather play Texas again in the CCG if we make it, then anyone one else besides OSU of the three teams we could face. None are scary but I would rate the them best to worst as Iowa St., Texas, OSU.
 
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TeamBig 12 RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreakOverall RecordPct.HomeAwayNeutralStreak
Iowa State6-10.8574-02-10-0W36-20.7504-12-10-0W3
Oklahoma5-20.7142-12-11-0W56-20.7503-12-11-0W5
Oklahoma State4-20.6672-12-10-0L15-20.7143-12-10-0L1
Texas4-20.6672-12-00-1W35-20.7143-12-00-1W3
West Virginia4-30.5714-00-30-0W15-30.6255-00-30-0W1
Kansas State4-30.5712-12-20-0L34-40.5002-22-20-0L3
TCU3-40.4291-32-10-0L13-40.4291-32-10-0L1
Texas Tech2-50.2862-20-30-0W13-50.3753-20-30-0W1
Baylor1-50.1671-10-40-0L51-50.1671-10-40-0L5
Kansas0-60.0000-20-40-0L60-70.0000-30-40-0L7


Unless Kansas State suddenly gets good enough to beat Texas, then OU gets to the final by winning out. There are 30 possible scenarios of combinations of who makes the XII CCG, based on results of the five other top teams in the conference. There are still three of them, where OU can win out but still not make the CCG. All three include the Wildcats beating the Longhorns. We still get there sometimes if that happens anyway. But I don't see it happening.
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I know of 2 of them but not sure about a third one.
 
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Oklahoma Sooners (5-2)
The Oklahoma Sooners made a statement in their rivalry game against Oklahoma State. The final score was 41-13, and they held the Cowboys scoreless in the second half. All Oklahoma needs to do is win out. If it comes to the four-way tie scenario, it is in.

The Sooners own the tiebreakers over Oklahoma State and Texas if it comes to a three-way-tie. The only way Oklahoma doesn’t make the playoff would be to lose to either West Virginia on the road or against Baylor at home to close the 2020 season. It is looking good for Lincoln Riley and company to return to Arlington, Texas, for the title game.
 
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One of my COVID 2020 game watch buds is a iSu grad that loves watching the Sooners and I will be pulling for the Clones to beat the steers. They are in rare air; to be the best we will have to face them again and find a way to cover their trees long enough to get to Purdy (if they get to the CCG)
 
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There are two scenarios where OU wins out, and still doesn't get in. Both involve KState beating Texas, and lowa State losing a game.

If Texas beats ISU, but loses to KState, then OU is out, in a 3way with OSU, ISYU & OU. KState would be 4th place. The other 2 beat them. OU didn't. OU would lose the tiebreaker.

If Texas loses to ISU, but West Virginia beats ISU, it would create the same issue. A 3 way with ISU, OSU & OU, where KState is 4th, we're out.
 
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There are two scenarios where OU wins out, and still doesn't get in. Both involve KState beating Texas, and lowa State losing a game.

If Texas beats ISU, but loses to KState, then OU is out, in a 3way with OSU, ISYU & OU. KState would be 4th place. The other 2 beat them. OU didn't. OU would lose the tiebreaker.

If Texas loses to ISU, but West Virginia beats ISU, it would create the same issue. A 3 way with ISU, OSU & OU, where KState is 4th, we're out.
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In the end I don’t see Texas beating ISU nor do I see them losing to KSU. In fact I don’t see ISU losing to either Tx or WV. Not saying they can’t but ISU is playing as well as OU is right now.

if OU wins out ( which I think they do ) and OSU wins out that leaves OU-OSU in second which we all know who wins that tiebreaker.

Lets just hope that ISU takes care of business in its final 2 games as well as our Sooners and all will be right in the world.
 
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Soonerborn59 said:
In the end I don’t see Texas beating ISU nor do I see them losing to KSU. In fact I don’t see ISU losing to either Tx or WV. Not saying they can’t but ISU is playing as well as OU is right now.

if OU wins out ( which I think they do ) and OSU wins out that leaves OU-OSU in second which we all know who wins that tiebreaker.

Lets just hope that ISU takes care of business in its final 2 games as well as our Sooners and all will be right in the world.
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I agree about ISU and West Virginia. I don't think UT beats the Cyclones. But they might. In Austin anything is possible.
 
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Plainosooner said:
There are two scenarios where OU wins out, and still doesn't get in. Both involve KState beating Texas, and lowa State losing a game.

If Texas beats ISU, but loses to KState, then OU is out, in a 3way with OSU, ISYU & OU. KState would be 4th place. The other 2 beat them. OU didn't. OU would lose the tiebreaker.

If Texas loses to ISU, but West Virginia beats ISU, it would create the same issue. A 3 way with ISU, OSU & OU, where KState is 4th, we're out.
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If Oklahoma wins out they are in the Big 12 Championship game.
 
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PtLavacaSooner said:
ISU, aOm, & OU in a 3 way tie with KSU the 4th place team does not bode well for the Sooners. Three teams are 1-1 against each other. OU lost to KSU, the others didn't...
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ISU, aOm, & OU in a 3 way tie with KSU the 4th place team does not bode well for the Sooners. Three teams are 1-1 against each other. OU lost to KSU, the others didn't...
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For a 3 way tie the loss to KSU is irrelevant right? They would do head to head, followed by the teams records against the other tied teams as a whole, then point differential.
 
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For a 3 way tie the loss to KSU is irrelevant right? They would do head to head, followed by the teams records against the other tied teams as a whole, then point differential.
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The loss to KSU is then most relevant, because the top three teams are tied and split 1-1 vs. each other, the tiebreaker goes to records vs. the next highest ranked team... KSU would be that team in that scenario...
 
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soonersoldier said:
For a 3 way tie the loss to KSU is irrelevant right? They would do head to head, followed by the teams records against the other tied teams as a whole, then point differential.
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Point differential doesn't matter. If three teams are tied with each other, and they are 1-1 against each other, then record against the next highest teams breaks the tie.

If all had one loss total in the conference, only then could point differential come into play. Since they all 3 would have two losses, then who they beat would break. If they all beat 4th, then who beat 5th, and so on.


Who beat the 4th place team? KState.

Now if Texas beats both Iowa St and KState, we're in. But if ISU beats Texas, but loses to West Virginia, a 3-way that also causes another 3-way tie for 4th. Then who in the 3-way beat 7th place would break it. Seriously. OU would be in.
 
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Plainosooner said:
Point differential doesn't matter. If three teams are tied with each other, and they are 1-1 against each other, then record against the next highest teams breaks the tie.

If all had one loss total in the conference, only then could point differential come into play. Since they all 3 would have two losses, then who they beat would break. If they all beat 4th, then who beat 5th, and so on.


Who beat the 4th place team? KState.

Now if Texas beats both Iowa St and KState, we're in. But if ISU beats Texas, but loses to West Virginia, a 3-way that also causes another 3-way tie for 4th. Then who in the 3-way beat 7th place would break it. Seriously. OU would be in.
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Nice thanks for clarification have a good one.
 
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The steers up by 9/10/7 cannot help us at all I’m guessing ?
 
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I got a little egg on my face on the premium board earlier this week, but found out something that I didn't know about how the final standings might be impacted. Anybody can have two games cancelled, but not have it impact negatively their place in the standings. If you have a game cancelled, and end up 6-2, then you will be considered equal in the Big 12 Standings to anyone who is 7-2.

If that has been posted here before, my apologies for missing it. I understand why it is, but thought it was mostly a bad idea. Having an advantage by cancelling a game, doesn't sit well with me.
 
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Whatever happens in this fractured 2020 football season, I can take away several very strong positives:
The emergence of Spencer Rattler to be yet another Mount Rushmore talent at quarterback.
The uptick of OU's recruiting....and if you think it's good now, wait until the end of December. I anticipate a very strong finish in the next 2-3 weeks.
The continual decline at Texas. Herman is on shaky grounds now, but I suspect he gets one more chance next season. At Texas, it's never about a lack of talent, but a lack of coaching.
Wins over OSU and Texas, OU's biggest rivals.
The emergence of so many young players on the OU roster. I like the "seeds" Riley and his staff are "planting" for the future.
The strong recovery from two strait early season defeats. The overtime win over Texas seems to have ignited the comeback. Goods team with good coaching are ones that get better with each game. The Sooners of November (and hopefully December) are not the same Sooners who appeared prior to the Texas game.
 
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Agree that Rattler is coming along. Man he's got a good arm. NFL quality for sure.

Offensive line is coming together too.

And the defense.... strong in this last one.
 
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Mike Giovando, Rattler's personal QB coach stated that if OU gives Rattler an O-Line like Mayfield or Murray played behind then Rattler stands a good chance of winning back to back Heismans.
 
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Scottsdale.Sooner said:
Mike Giovando, Rattler's personal QB coach stated that if OU gives Rattler an O-Line like Mayfield or Murray played behind then Rattler stands a good chance of winning back to back Heismans.
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All the more reason for Bedenbaugh to recruit elite lineman to protect Rattler.
 
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Well per rivals forecast, there are (3) Top 100 Nationally ranked OL recruits headed his way. #9, #15, & #84. Toss in #7 ranked Wheaton at RB... he'll be set. If all show up as thought, it'll be on him to step up & earn it as he'll hacve a helluva surrounding cast.
 
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Two comments.
First, I think Matt Campbell sealed Herman's fate. Tom needed to win the B12 and now needs a lot of help in the next two weeks just to make the game. OU and ISU win out, that is your matchup. I just have a gut feeling Herman will be unemployed by Christmas.
Second, I was thinking about the B12 CCG this week and how OU has control of their destiny again.
How many teams could spot the field 2 games and still win #6?

PS - It would be ironic if Campbell got Herman fired, then replaced him. I think Campbell will either be at ISU or Michigan next year.
 
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There are going to be a lot of schools biting their bullets and keeping their coaches this off season. The money is just draining out of colleges. Paying off longterm money to unemployed coaches is going to be a very hard sell when lots of instructors of various titles are getting eliminated.
 
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I hope Campbell stays at Iowa State. The Big 12 needs more teams worthy of high rankings and Campbell has made ISU very competitive.
But if I were Michigan I might go after Campbell hard. Harbaugh is a dud.
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That's a pretty good point. And it doesn't seem like ISU would ever be much a threat to our recruiting, so we get the best of both worlds in that sense.
 
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Two comments.
First, I think Matt Campbell sealed Herman's fate. Tom needed to win the B12 and now needs a lot of help in the next two weeks just to make the game. OU and ISU win out, that is your matchup. I just have a gut feeling Herman will be unemployed by Christmas.
Second, I was thinking about the B12 CCG this week and how OU has control of their destiny again.
How many teams could spot the field 2 games and still win #6?

PS - It would be ironic if Campbell got Herman fired, then replaced him. I think Campbell will either be at ISU or Michigan next year.
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I honestly think some of the blame for UT's struggles lies at the feet of Ehlinger, but, let them run off another coach off if that's what they want to do.

Speaking of coaches, and to your second point, how much credit does riley and his staff deserve for righting the ship, and getting us back on track? I think this team got better as the year progressed, and not just because of the return of different players.

Riley, Grinch and co have coached 'em up, and it showed when we stepped on O-states throat. Bedlam is seldom an easy win, but we dismantled the pokes in that game. Not to mention the play calling has been spectacular.

You watch. Next year, we are going to get after some folks. I've been watching football a long time, and I can see it building at OU.
 
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