Biggest Obstacle in Finding OC
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I really think that a lot of oc are very confident in there ability,and barker,boom ,conrad,baker,bone,badet,juice,greenwood,richardson,horton,levitt,young,toth,jackson,Aa.Ga,stenberg ect will attract a oc that previously wouldn't have come... That is if he is convinced that a average offense would have won 7 games this year (pretty obvious),which i can see as stoop's selling point...
I keep see people thinking nobody wants to jump on a sinking ship,but he does have some very very good players,which will help attract a confident ocand he may view it as a great opportunity. Yes these same players who sucked this year can make you wonder where in the world that talent had been at previous year's.. With the right staff in place...
I believe we already have our OC so whatever obstacles seemingly have been worked out.
Now now, you should know by now logical posts aren't liked on here. Doom and Gloom the specialty of the house.
When you consider all the talent you listed minus Badet (Plus several you didn't mention) just on offense will be here in 16 along with an OL that could very well have a 5.7 (AA), 5.8 (Jackson), 5.9, (Leavitt), 6.0 (Young), and possibly an in state FIVE STAR on the OL (with Toth, and several starters still here if needed) then I can see an OC thinking this could be a very good job.
Of course if the fans demand his head after one year he may not ever see that OL------but with eight of the ten in the two deep returning along with the new talent I don't think there is any doubt the OL should be better this year regardless.
Our coaches haven't been leaving because other people pay them more. They get fired because we haven't won. We may have to pay unproven coaches more than other teams because it is the only way we can get them to come here. Proven coaches just don't want to come here. I'm coming around to the thought that there are only 2 ways that we can ever get out of the cellar in the SEC:
1. Give an unproven coach like Stoops that is recruiting much better talent here a significant amount of time to build this program from the bottom up. I mean 7-9 years to get enough lineman that we have talent 2-3 deep on both sides of the line. We can always get a few skill players that make a difference, and have seemed to consistently have some of this talent, but we never have enough big guys to compete against SEC teams and control the line of scrimmage.
2. Go pay a ridiculous amount (and it would have to be ridiculous) to talk a name like Saban or Parcells or something really stupid to come here. The number would have to be twice what anyone else would pay them just to get them here. Once we get them, we would have to lock them down in a contract that they have to stay for x number of years or give all the money back. This is not likely to ever happen because such a deal could never be struck, but that is one way that I think we could get out of where we are.
1. Give an unproven coach like Stoops that is recruiting much better talent here a significant amount of time to build this program from the bottom up. I mean 7-9 years to get enough lineman that we have talent 2-3 deep on both sides of the line. We can always get a few skill players that make a difference, and have seemed to consistently have some of this talent, but we never have enough big guys to compete against SEC teams and control the line of scrimmage.
2. Go pay a ridiculous amount (and it would have to be ridiculous) to talk a name like Saban or Parcells or something really stupid to come here. The number would have to be twice what anyone else would pay them just to get them here. Once we get them, we would have to lock them down in a contract that they have to stay for x number of years or give all the money back. This is not likely to ever happen because such a deal could never be struck, but that is one way that I think we could get out of where we are.
auburn fired a hc 2 years removed from a title. kiffin was fired on the bus at usc. mangino was let go midseason at iowa st. les freaking myles is out of a job and his staff is looking for work. 2 years guaranteed work with 3 or 4 years guaranteed pay is about as good as anyone can expect. if we pay $500,000/year and he's canned in 2 years he'll still get over $1million in those two years and will likely be getting paid from here while he is working at his next gig.
but looking at our history... if he succeeds here he can write his own ticket to any oc job in the country and will probably have good hc'ing jobs to look at as well. remember joker was made coach in waiting because notre dame and the like were looking to hire him as OC. if he truly believes he is good at what he does i dont see how he can look at the skill position guys we have and say "i can't score points there".
but looking at our history... if he succeeds here he can write his own ticket to any oc job in the country and will probably have good hc'ing jobs to look at as well. remember joker was made coach in waiting because notre dame and the like were looking to hire him as OC. if he truly believes he is good at what he does i dont see how he can look at the skill position guys we have and say "i can't score points there".
HUGE upgrade coming in our weak spot, the OL. And we aren't doing bad at the skill positions either.
I sure hope you're right KapitalCat but I will wait until the contract is actually signed before I get excited. Too many others out there looking to fill their staffs right now and someone can come along and take our guy. I do think that the state hiring laws hinder us here in Kentucky. I wonder how many other programs have this same issue with their state laws.
You make a good point. While I think Stoops has his guy it's always possible another school could get involved. Hopefully we hear something after Cincinnati's bowl game
I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that if the HC and OC this year had been on the same page, the O had played better, and Towles was happier the Cat's might have won 7 games this year. If that had happened everyone would be saying things are still on track. Many of the pieces to continue that are in place. A good OC could be made to see that I think. Especially with the right compensation. It's a critical hire though. We've had 2 in 2 years now that failed to meet expectations for whatever reason. Stoop's can ill-afford for that to happen again. Another 5 or less win season and the whole staff may be looking for another job.
Here's a little non-UK story on how important the right OC can be. Sonny Lubick is the man credited with turning around CSU football which had for decades been known as one of the worst programs in the country. The first team to ever lose 12 games in one season my 2nd year there. Lubick won 5 games his first year. His 2nd he took his 5-0 Rams down to Tuscon to play 4th ranked Arizona, and beat them. That team, in his 2nd year went on to win 10 games, and for the first time it's in history won the WAC title. It had never won any title or 10 games. The next year they won another. A few years later they humiliated CU in front of 80,000 in Mile High, went on to win 11 games, another conference title, and finish ranked 10th. Lubick won 6 conference titles, and CSU has never looked back. The point of all this? His OC at least that first 3 years crucial to the turnaround? Some guy named Urban Meyer!
Here's a little non-UK story on how important the right OC can be. Sonny Lubick is the man credited with turning around CSU football which had for decades been known as one of the worst programs in the country. The first team to ever lose 12 games in one season my 2nd year there. Lubick won 5 games his first year. His 2nd he took his 5-0 Rams down to Tuscon to play 4th ranked Arizona, and beat them. That team, in his 2nd year went on to win 10 games, and for the first time it's in history won the WAC title. It had never won any title or 10 games. The next year they won another. A few years later they humiliated CU in front of 80,000 in Mile High, went on to win 11 games, another conference title, and finish ranked 10th. Lubick won 6 conference titles, and CSU has never looked back. The point of all this? His OC at least that first 3 years crucial to the turnaround? Some guy named Urban Meyer!
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Not that Les Miles. He was talking about Les Freaking Myles, the coach at the North Dakota School of Embalming and Welding.
Hmmmm....... I'll take a shot at it for two years with a guaranteed million dollars plus.
Then, if it didn't work out, I bet I'd be able to find another coaching job.
BoulderCats story about CSU brings to mind another story that shows the importance of assistants.
Between 158 and 1963, the NY Giants dominated pro football, going to 5 straight NFL title games. In the next 14 years they only had 2 winning seasons.
What happened? Well their offensive coach, Vince Lombardi, went to Green Bay, and their defensive coach, Tom Landry, went to Texas.
Between 158 and 1963, the NY Giants dominated pro football, going to 5 straight NFL title games. In the next 14 years they only had 2 winning seasons.
What happened? Well their offensive coach, Vince Lombardi, went to Green Bay, and their defensive coach, Tom Landry, went to Texas.
Sure is quietYou make a good point. While I think Stoops has his guy it's always possible another school could get involved. Hopefully we hear something after Cincinnati's bowl game
Listening to Drake on KSR today he all but confirmed that Gran is the Man and they are simply waiting out the required period for to fill open positions.
Like I said earlier my whole premise was wrong because I wasn't considering guaranteed money contracts.
If the money is going to be there you may risk tarnishing your rep by coaching at a sinking program (not saying that UK is; I expect 6 wins next year and 8 the following).
Like I said earlier my whole premise was wrong because I wasn't considering guaranteed money contracts.
If the money is going to be there you may risk tarnishing your rep by coaching at a sinking program (not saying that UK is; I expect 6 wins next year and 8 the following).
IMO, the biggest obstacle could be what's going around the coaching grapevine about what's it like to work with Mark Stoops. All I've heard are rumors, but word gets around in the coaching fraternity.