Boo + game thoughts

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it was awesome to see him going toe to toe with winston. very promising.

i thought the tale of the game was rebounding (48-24 in favor of MSU) and not getting long rebounds and giving MSU seconds chances.

they also drove too easilty and dished for easy lay-ups.

awesome effort by boo and just came up a little short. fun to watch these cats especially to claw back :D from being down big.
 

DaCat

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Some strange bounces went the way of MSU tonight. Glaring one is basically an airball 3 point attempt that skimmed off the rim and went right into the hands for an easy putback.
 

Pete Purple

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Definitely noticed rebounding differential, but specifically on the offensive rebounding side assumed that the lack of offensive rebounding effort was intentional, or else MSU would out-transition us with their speed. It was a very enjoyable game to watch. Many exciting stretches.
 

Sec_112

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Damn, that game was there to be taken.

I'd argue the killer was how many bunnies they missed in the first half ... at least, four.

It was also pretty obvious the Cats were intimidated by Sparty early in the game. I think you could see a difference how the team carried itself in the second half versus early in the game. Or maybe that's the Boo effect?

I also agree with everybody that the defense needs to improve for the team to take another step.

In the end, I'm not a guy who often sees the silver lining of a loss. But it's hard not to be encouraged by a performance like this with two freshmen and two sophomores down the stretch.
 
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Damn, that game was there to be taken.

I'd argue the killer was how many bunnies they missed in the first half ... at least, four.

It was also pretty obvious the Cats were intimidated by Sparty early in the game. I think you could see a difference how the team carried itself in the second half versus early in the game. Or maybe that's the Boo effect?

I also agree with everybody that the defense needs to improve for the team to take another step.

In the end, I'm not a guy who often sees the silver lining of a loss. But it's hard not to be encouraged by a performance like this with two freshmen and two sophomores down the stretch.
Agree and am in the same boat except for one thing. Preseason, and early on, I was so apprehensive as to be mentally prepared to see a silver lining in any close loss to a name opponent. Now, here I am rewatching the second half vs MSU! By now I should know that with young student athletes, expect the unexpected. Especially inasmuch as when someone says, “How are we ever going to replace ______ when he graduates" (or busts a knee, etc), I think, “Who knows? A year’s development makes a big difference when you're 19 or 20”.

I know Izzo is prone to niceness and praise, but even so his remarks boiled down to essentially, “I can’t say enough good things about the state of NU hoops in ALL respects.” He seemed very sincere.

Something that bugged me re: the TV commentary was the comment, late in the game with the score something like 67-58, “MSU has built this lead by carving up the Wildcats with their inside passing schemes…” NO. They didn’t really build and keep their lead one iota after they blitzkrieged our troops 12-2 at the outset. It was 12-2 MSU over the first 5 minutes or so. . And then it was NU by 70-65 over the next 35 minutes. “Built their lead"? Not in the game I’ve seen twice now.
 

Titanium999

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it was awesome to see him going toe to toe with winston. very promising.

i thought the tale of the game was rebounding (48-24 in favor of MSU) and not getting long rebounds and giving MSU seconds chances.

they also drove too easilty and dished for easy lay-ups.

awesome effort by boo and just came up a little short. fun to watch these cats especially to claw back :D from being down big.
We started too dang slow
 

torque-cat

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Agree and am in the same boat except for one thing. Preseason, and early on, I was so apprehensive as to be mentally prepared to see a silver lining in any close loss to a name opponent. Now, here I am rewatching the second half vs MSU! By now I should know that with young student athletes, expect the unexpected. Especially inasmuch as when someone says, “How are we ever going to replace ______ when he graduates" (or busts a knee, etc), I think, “Who knows? A year’s development makes a big difference when you're 19 or 20”.

I know Izzo is prone to niceness and praise, but even so his remarks boiled down to essentially, “I can’t say enough good things about the state of NU hoops in ALL respects.” He seemed very sincere.

Something that bugged me re: the TV commentary was the comment, late in the game with the score something like 67-58, “MSU has built this lead by carving up the Wildcats with their inside passing schemes…” NO. They didn’t really build and keep their lead one iota after they blitzkrieged our troops 12-2 at the outset. It was 12-2 MSU over the first 5 minutes or so. . And then it was NU by 70-65 over the next 35 minutes. “Built their lead"? Not in the game I’ve seen twice now.

on the other hand I think MSU felt they could dominate whenever they needed. Buie getting crazy from 3 gave them an unexpected scare. But teams are not all that close at this point. But we do have more young talent than I’ve ever seen. Best of all nearly all the young guys can score. Usually that’s a major gap.
 

Medill90

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It was like a seven point game with two minutes to go and the announcers were writing the obit.

MSU never left NU behind. A couple guys play a bit better (make shots they should make) and it goes the other way.
 

GatoLouco

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Man, we have a lot of talent on the team. And that's why Collins is a good fit for us. I continue to believe we have never seen the level of talent we've had over the last 7 years.

He drives me nuts with his decisions though. We allowed 8 points in the first 1:47. After that, our defense was competent, against an experienced and physical team. Even if our guys looked startled at times. Some of them had never seen speed like that, a team that pushes the ball down the court like that. A team that crashes the boards like that. A floor general like that. Still we crawled back to 20-23, without any player going mental as Bouie did in the second half. So not really sure what the purpose of the zone we saw on and off. We were hurt by a quick start, the zone only lead to allowing more points in the 2nd half and increasing the problems on the boards. Not like it's a secret Izzo's teams are offensive rebound minded.

Like several have stated, the rebounding was a problem. If we had rebounded better we might have won. Without Buie going off, we might not have been in it, but that's a part of the game: someone stepping up.

Overall I thought our guys showed a lot of positives, even the ones who "played poorly":

Young - I liked seeing him. He's learning how to deal with players that are more physically skilled. He had some good moves where the ball just did not go in. But were good looks. Probably rushed by the "fear" of having quicker guys around to block it. He will get used to it. Early on he was being assertive on wanting the ball and wanting to make something happen. He created good looks

Kopp - I don't think it was a coincidence Izzo mentioned Kopp and Nance first. He's a legendary coach, who preps for games, who knows other teams. And he knew those were our biggest threats. I don't know if Kopp is still weakened by having been sick. But it was clear MSU wanted to clamp down on him. And they did. Kopp is slow, makes it easier to shut him down if you really mean to do it by giving up help defense. Still finished with 9. If he understands where he can be effective, he's a 15 pt guy.

Spencer - Maybe suffering from heightened expectations her on these boards. Sure, sloppy with the ball at times. But giving us competent playing time on defense, etc. Let's not forget most of us thought he'd see none to limited minutes. And we can expect him to just get better as he gets used to the speed of the B1G.

Jones - Did not commit a single foul. Had that happened before?

Nance - Usual self, brilliant at times. Absent for periods of time. What I'm mostly impressed about is that he is less and less soft. He's being more physical, playing with a more "pissed off" attitude.

Gaines/Turner - gave us what they probably can give us. Despite both having potential to do more, I do not think we will see it on a regular basis. AJ has the tools to be so much more than he is. But I don't think he has it in him as the mental part of game is not there. He's not confident enough.

Beran - a bit of what Nance was last year. You see the potential, now he has to figure it out how to put it to good use.

Buie - Not worth adding a lot, so much already said. Just really happy a freshman can have such moxy. We have not seen that kind of freshman at NU often. A lot have the skills, but are not readily confident to play at the B1G level.
 
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torque-cat

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It was like a seven point game with two minutes to go and the announcers were writing the obit.

MSU never left NU behind. A couple guys play a bit better (make shots they should make) and it goes the other way.

I think MSU knew that whenever it needed to it could ramp it up. We hung around cause Buie’s hot shooting but MSU answered every time we threatened. If we had a couple more guys playing well MSU would’ve clamped down harder. We did great but let’s not pretend MSU was playing with that much urgency. They just did what they needed to.
 

DaCat

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I think MSU knew that whenever it needed to it could ramp it up. We hung around cause Buie’s hot shooting but MSU answered every time we threatened. If we had a couple more guys playing well MSU would’ve clamped down harder. We did great but let’s not pretend MSU was playing with that much urgency. They just did what they needed to.

No. Are you fricking serious? If they had that kind of attitude, we would've won. Just look at teams that lost recently around the league.
 

torque-cat

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No. Are you fricking serious? If they had that kind of attitude, we would've won. Just look at teams that lost recently around the league.

it wasn’t a coincidence that whenever we challenged they responded. Buie surprised them so they weren’t able to coast but they were never truly threatened.
 

Figrating

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Hard to believe NU let superduper man shoot a couple uncontested 3's to start the game. Then we're suddenly behind 12 - 2 and never recovered.

The ball surely bounced right for MSU, though - so many opportunities which could have gone either way went their way.

I think NU is improving, though.
 
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Some strange bounces went the way of MSU tonight. Glaring one is basically an airball 3 point attempt that skimmed off the rim and went right into the hands for an easy putback.

also nance throwing it off MSU foot and them calling it out on NU
 

jensberg

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We certainly did get some bad bounces, but they were the more aggressive team going after loose balls. I'd like to see Nance be much more aggressive in All Phases of his game.
 

hdhntr1

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it was awesome to see him going toe to toe with winston. very promising.

i thought the tale of the game was rebounding (48-24 in favor of MSU) and not getting long rebounds and giving MSU seconds chances.

they also drove too easilty and dished for easy lay-ups.

awesome effort by boo and just came up a little short. fun to watch these cats especially to claw back :D from being down big.
Why do our players not follow their shot? Saw a couple times when they could should have gotten the O RB
 

hdhntr1

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it was awesome to see him going toe to toe with winston. very promising.

i thought the tale of the game was rebounding (48-24 in favor of MSU) and not getting long rebounds and giving MSU seconds chances.

they also drove too easilty and dished for easy lay-ups.

awesome effort by boo and just came up a little short. fun to watch these cats especially to claw back :D from being down big.
Seems odd that they took the same number of shots with a 24 RB edge
 
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Why do our players not follow their shot? Saw a couple times when they could should have gotten the O RB

I think that MSU's dominant rebounding and speed bringing the ball up the court has something to do with how quickly we retreated after shot attempts. If we had been following our shots, there were a couple offensive boards for the taking last night.
 

hdhntr1

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I think that MSU's dominant rebounding and speed bringing the ball up the court has something to do with how quickly we retreated after shot attempts. If we had been following our shots, there were a couple offensive boards for the taking last night.
Couple cases I saw, they were not retreating but more standing there
 

hdhntr1

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Damn, that game was there to be taken.

I'd argue the killer was how many bunnies they missed in the first half ... at least, four.

It was also pretty obvious the Cats were intimidated by Sparty early in the game. I think you could see a difference how the team carried itself in the second half versus early in the game. Or maybe that's the Boo effect?

I also agree with everybody that the defense needs to improve for the team to take another step.

In the end, I'm not a guy who often sees the silver lining of a loss. But it's hard not to be encouraged by a performance like this with two freshmen and two sophomores down the stretch.
No real attempts to get ball to Young inside. Thought that could have helped as well
 

JournCat

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Man, we have a lot of talent on the team. And that's why Collins is a good fit for us. I continue to believe we have never seen the level of talent we've had over the last 7 years.

He drives me nuts with his decisions though. We allowed 8 points in the first 1:47. After that, our defense was competent, against an experienced and physical team. Even if our guys looked startled at times. Some of them had never seen speed like that, a team that pushes the ball down the court like that. A team that crashes the boards like that. A floor general like that. Still we crawled back to 20-23, without any player going mental as Bouie did in the second half. So not really sure what the purpose of the zone we saw on and off. We were hurt by a quick start, the zone only lead to allowing more points in the 2nd half and increasing the problems on the boards. Not like it's a secret Izzo's teams are offensive rebound minded.

The zone created some turnovers and was part of the overall confusion strategy that kept us in the game defensively. Not getting killed on the boards will require our front line to get stronger and our guards to be more aware. BTN had a good replay of Buie missing his man coming in from the corner for a putback dunk at the end. With our offensive struggles, maybe the choice is to get everyone back quicker and try for points in transition even if it means losing some offensive rebounds.
 

willycat

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The zone created some turnovers and was part of the overall confusion strategy that kept us in the game defensively. Not getting killed on the boards will require our front line to get stronger and our guards to be more aware. BTN had a good replay of Buie missing his man coming in from the corner for a putback dunk at the end. With our offensive struggles, maybe the choice is to get everyone back quicker and try for points in transition even if it means losing some offensive rebounds.
Wasn't that the method Carmody coached? Didn't really win with that and when NU went to the Dance, they seemingly went after offense and defensive rebounds. Thinking I'd rather see that but maybe they don't have the muscle or jumping ability on this roster.. Nothing a couple of seven footers wouldn't correct.
 
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Wasn't that the method Carmody coached? Didn't really win with that and when NU went to the Dance, they seemingly went after offense and defensive rebounds. Thinking I'd rather see that but maybe they don't have the muscle or jumping ability on this roster.. Nothing a couple of seven footers wouldn't correct.

i actually think that NU is a top ten team in height and might be the tallest in the big ten
 

JournCat

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Wasn't that the method Carmody coached? Didn't really win with that and when NU went to the Dance, they seemingly went after offense and defensive rebounds. Thinking I'd rather see that but maybe they don't have the muscle or jumping ability on this roster.. Nothing a couple of seven footers wouldn't correct.

The NCAA team had Lumpkin, a redshirt senior, and Pardon, who as a sophomore was already the best center NU has had in 20 years. A year of game pressure and weights will make Nance, Young, Jones, and Beran a lot better at handling the boards. At least they have height already.
 

NJCat

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The zone created some turnovers and was part of the overall confusion strategy that kept us in the game defensively. Not getting killed on the boards will require our front line to get stronger and our guards to be more aware. BTN had a good replay of Buie missing his man coming in from the corner for a putback dunk at the end. With our offensive struggles, maybe the choice is to get everyone back quicker and try for points in transition even if it means losing some offensive rebounds.
NU gave up 77 points. I hardly think that the NU defense kept it in the game. Scoring 72 kept NU in the game.
 

GatoLouco

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The zone created some turnovers and was part of the overall confusion strategy that kept us in the game defensively. Not getting killed on the boards will require our front line to get stronger and our guards to be more aware. BTN had a good replay of Buie missing his man coming in from the corner for a putback dunk at the end. With our offensive struggles, maybe the choice is to get everyone back quicker and try for points in transition even if it means losing some offensive rebounds.

We were not in foul trouble. We were not giving up points at a rate of more than 70ish per 40 minutes. Did not understand why we needed it.

It was a gamble. Maybe one driven by not believing we would be able to put points on the board. And, therefore, trying something that could work and they could go cold. But in the realm of probabilities, it just seems to me it was playing against the odds.
 

PURPLECAT88

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We were not in foul trouble. We were not giving up points at a rate of more than 70ish per 40 minutes. Did not understand why we needed it.

It was a gamble. Maybe one driven by not believing we would be able to put points on the board. And, therefore, trying something that could work and they could go cold. But in the realm of probabilities, it just seems to me it was playing against the odds.
It seemed to me that we went zone when Gaines either needed a break or was a bit tired on the floor. He is our only player remotely capable of staying with Winston in the man-to-man. I don't know what else CCC could have done.
 

freewillie07

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i actually think that NU is a top ten team in height and might be the tallest in the big ten

I don't know if this is a good thing. We've seen what Boo Buie, one of the shortest guys on the team, brings to the table as far as scoring and an ability to take over games. Having big guys across all positions is nice but if it comes at the expense of quickness I'm not sure it's a tradeoff we really want to take.