bent out of shape over Obama's Executive Order for a background check at gun shows. You would think he is taking everyone's guns away by the way some are reacting. He's simply making a background check (already required for store purchases) required for gun show purchases. The NRA is out of their freaking mind. As a supporter of the 2nd Amendment and a concealed carry permit holder, I view this Executive Order is entirely reasonable. I am disgusted at the NRA.
Boy, you conservatives sure are
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His background check executive action will not have any impact...mental health focus maybe...I see he did zero on violence in our culture...but hey what he said feels good amiright?
The problem that some are having with his executive order is that it could lead to a situation where you would be required to obtain a firearms dealers license in order to sell any firearm you own, or give away any firearm you own. It becomes an enforcement of the language issue.
The other major issue has to do with NFA trusts and requiring background checks on each purchase for each of the members of the trust. On one hand it becomes a redundant paperwork nightmare, on the other hand the ATF has ruled that CLEO's no longer have to sign off on those NFA purchases through a trust.
IMHO, his executive orders are worthless and won't accomplish diddly squat. It's "pat on the back" feel good measure meant to make it appears he's doing something. But hey... at least he can say he did something to stop gun crime. [roll]
Here's a chance for the NRA to take the lead...They can promote safe gun ownership, become a resource for combating violence in our culture, and still protect the 2nd Amendment. Co-op the issue and steer the ship.
I don't know. Didn't the Colorado movie theater killer purchase his legally? Didn't the mother of the mentally disturbed guy that killed all those children in that elementary purchase her gun legally? Didn't the Va Tech shooter purchase his legally? Didn't the neighbor of the people in San Bernadino purchase guns legally?
He really can't do much regarding gun control without Congressional involvement so it shouldn't be surprising that this is limited in scope.
Since you indicate that the prez's gun control efforts aren't meaningful, do you support stronger gun control measures being taken?
They've tried and gotten nowhere with it. Legislation has been proposed that has the NRA's backing but it can't get anywhere in Congress.
Fact is they're the boogey-man because they're an easy target.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but what legislation do they have sitting in Congress?
I am aware that a majority of NRA members supported Manchin's background check legislation, but the NRA fought against it.
This is why some of us get frustrated by this administration:
""A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked." —@POTUS #StopGunViolence"
Flat out lie or a complete lack of understanding of existing laws and how online sales work. Most all my purchases have been over the internet, and there is no online seller in existence that doesn't require shipping to a licensed FFL dealer so a background check can be performed.
""A violent felon can buy the exact same weapon over the internet with no background check, no questions asked." —@POTUS #StopGunViolence"
Flat out lie or a complete lack of understanding of existing laws and how online sales work. Most all my purchases have been over the internet, and there is no online seller in existence that doesn't require shipping to a licensed FFL dealer so a background check can be performed.
Can't remember the bill number, but there was one that revolved around mental health issues and guns.
yes and three of them were mentally unhinged. Being here close to tech, it was incredibliy sad. Do you remember the professor when hearing about the first shooting said,"I hope it wasn't Cho." They knew he was crazy and they still let him roam around. The only thing that Obama did that might help is he made it OK for Health care professionals to notify law enforcement about the mentally challenged. Now, I want your opinion on that? Cause that's the only thing that would make a difference. The San Beredino's were muslim radicals and totally different situation.
I’d like to point out that the number the President uses for deaths caused by the use (or misuse) of a firearm includes suicides (much more than half of the total) and lawful self-defense shootings by citizens and police. Should suicide and lawful self-defense be considered “gun violence?” No
Exactly...unless he's talking about the Dark Web or possibly people selling things on Craig's List (if that happens). I have bought one gun on-line and it had to be sent to an FFL and a background check had to be run before I could take the gun.
I didn't hear/see the comment, but could it be that he is talking about things like CraigsList and whatnot? Of course that's not really "buying over the internet", so maybe not.
I think the violence in our culture needs to be examed...violent movies/tv/music...lack of respect people show one another...and probably other things related to this. You can focus on the tool (gun) all you want, but if you want change then you need to focus on the behavior and what is impacting that.
I believe it focused on background checks and expanding mental health as part of it - it would clarify the scope of the mental health records that the states must share and upload on the background check system.
I've said multiple times on this board that if there is an answer to gun violence (maybe there isn't one) that it likely won't have anything at all to do with guns.
I wonder if a lot of it isn't simply economic issues. I'm not saying that it will ever be isolated to a single issue, but my guess would be that economic factors play a significant role. It would interesting to track gun violence against other economic indicators such as unemployment and cost of living and median income relative to cost of living.
I imagine that's been done someplace already. If anybody knows where and can provide that information, please share it.
By definition gun violence involves guns. How could you have gun violence without guns or is this a troll response? Sarcasm and stupidity can be hard to differentiate on this board sometimes.
I didn't know that boxing = joking, thanks. The thing is that Rog believes to be true what was posted as a joke which I guess is the joke.
I think suicide is a legitimate part of that statistic, and I think accidental shootings should be counted. I can see the gripe with counting lawful self-defense.
Why would I be bent out of shape? Just one more decision in a long line of politicians taking action for action's sake rather than trying to address the problem. It will have no impact on the overall issue at hand. It gives the rubes on the left the appearance of concern and action. It will have minimal of any affect on me and meanwhile our inner cities will countinue to be more dangerous than Iraq of AFG. Feels goodman!
It was all of the above......really, I'm depressingly unable to conduct a reasonable discussion on issues of this type (because few on either side really have much interest to actually discuss it reasonably).
Since gun owners especially (as well as non-gun-owners) seem to prefer fighting about this issue pretty much constantly, I myself thought it to be a wholly appropriate emoji.....
I agree with you that people just don't show each other respect, in general, any more, but I don't think it has anything to do with the music they listen to, the television they watch or the movies they see. I believe it's due mainly to poor parenting, and it happens in all socioeconomic classes.
I'm perfectly willing to have a discussion about it. Proceed sir. By in large, this board seems to be pretty damn reasonable with the discussions on gun control.
You have people very knowledgeable about how guns sales work, background checks work, and the industry of guns telling you this doesn't and won't address the problem. What is it the measure then other than an appearance of action? A first step that we build upon?
I've said before, I'm for common sense gun legislation. I have yet to see that proposed from either side.
Just for a disclaimer, I'm not, never have been, and never will be a member of the NRA.
However it heavily skews the data. An individual taking an action on themselves shouldn't be relative to the discuss of gun crime, which is really what drives gun control.
They're not trying to stem suicides with it.
Parenting for sure is something that should be included in the discussion...but I really think music/movies/tv define our culture - I'll I'm asking for is an in-depth look/discussion on how these things impact our culture (specifically violence)...I don't think it can easily be discounted as not influencing behavior.
I don't know but it seems to me that if the person completed the act it would be hard to prosecute them.
Oddly enough, the typically the same groups advocating assisted suicide have members that are advocating strict gun control.
Regardless, whether lawful act or not, it shouldn't be counted with the data. When it's not, a more accurate picture of gun crime can be painted.
If I'm not mistaken, I think they did studies in the 80s or 90s and determined it was inconclusive.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that the racist kid in SC that shot up the church listened to country music. [winking]