Breaking down the Cats and Tigers

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As wins continue to "pile up" for Kentucky, the games only get bigger. Heading into action this weekend, the Cats trail Florida by just half a game in the SEC Eastern Division. A UK win in Columbia combined with a Florida loss to Georgia would send Kentucky into November in sole possession of 1st place. Last week's win against Mississippi State could/should have been a whole lot more impressive on the scoreboard. The Cats were just a few yards away from taking a 41-24 lead with under ten minutes to go when disaster struck. Still, give Kentucky credit for winning in dramatic fashion. While UK was busy keeping their title hopes alive, Missouri was floundering away their homecoming game against Middle Tennessee State. The 2-5 Tigers are winless in league play while struggling mightily on the defensive side of the football. This looks to be a game that UK could certainly win, but the Cats aren't good enough to assume anything. Injuries have taken a toll on both teams (especially Missouri). Can Kentucky take advantage?

Line: Kentucky +4.5

Series: Tied 3-3

Game Time/Television: Noon eastern/SEC Network

Kentucky offense vs. Missouri defense: Advantage Kentucky
The Missouri defense seems to have totally collapsed. Take out the game against I-AA Delaware State (0-7 on the season), and their "D" would be among the bottom five nationally. Against Middle Tennessee, the Tigers allowed a whopping 311 yards rushing (595 yards total). Making matters worse, Missouri is battling a serious injury bug. MU will likely be missing starters at every level of their defense, including stud linebacker Mike Scherer. Compounding Missouri's defensive issues will be a much improved Kentucky offense. Against what was the #38 defense in college football (Mississippi State), UK put up 40 points and over 550 yards of total offense. The Cats offensive line has gone from question mark to strength. The double headed RB monster of Williams/Snell has been outstanding. UK's rush offense has climbed to #43 in the nation. No doubt, Eddie Gran will lean heavily on the ground game this weekend. Gran's gameplan last week was a thing of beauty. Gran mixed up the run, pass, and "trickeration" like a pro! One interesting aspect this weekend...how much respect will Missouri give to UK's passing game? Stephen Johnson continues to improve (rough 1st half, good 2nd half against State). He has a terrific group of WR's and an outstanding TE. Will the Tigers try to defend UK's run game with 6-7 in the box, or will they load up against the run and force Johnson to beat them? As bad as MU has been on defense, it might not matter. Based on the 3-4 games I've seen this week from the Tigers, UK will have a solid edge with OL vs. MU front seven. UK also matches up extremely well in the passing game. If there's a concern from UK's perspective, it has to be Johnson and turnovers. If he plays a clean game , the Kentucky offense should absolutely roll.

Kentucky defense vs. Missouri offense: Slight edge Missouri
At first glance, MU has put up some ridiculous numbers offensively. A closer look reveals those numbers are SIGNIFICANTLY inflated based on OOC competition. So how good is the Tiger offense? Probably not as good as the numbers indicate, but good. They have a good offensive line. Their freshman running back (Crocket) has put up 100+ yards in three of his last four games (including 145 at Florida). Witter is also a productive back. They have good athletes at WR (led by J'Mon Moore...had a TD vs. UK last year). QB Drew Lock has had a rough go of it against league foes (3 TD, 6 INT). Lock completed just 20-40 passes last week (MTSU). In league play, he's completing less than 50% of this throws (additionally, Lock isn't a major threat in the running game). The thing MU does that's different is their pace of play. I haven't seen anyone get to the LOS and snap the ball as quickly as they do. That will be challenging for a thin UK defense. I think the key this week is to shutdown the Tiger running game. Making them one dimensional with a quarterback that struggles with accuracy would be huge. Best guess, because Lock hasn't proven to be a guy that's going to pick you apart with consistency, I think UK will focus on stopping the Tiger ground game. The Cats secondary matches up well with most groups of WR's, Missouri's included. Interestingly, Missouri doesn't throw to their backs very often, so stopping the intermediate stuff on 3rd down will probably dictate good or not-so-good day for the defense.

Special Teams: Advantage Kentucky
UK ranks 26th nationally returning kicks. MU's kick return defense ranks in the bottom ten (122nd). Could this be the week Kentucky returns one for six? Both schools are ranked in the top 25 in PR defense (UK 19th, MU 23rd). Austin MacGinnis has developed into one of the nations best kickers. His 51-yard game winner last week was his first such kick as a Cat. For his career, MacGinnis is 16-23 from 40+ yards.

Missouri will win if...their running game hits on all cylinders while the defense forces a couple of turnovers. The only P5 school with a worse turnover margin than Kentucky is Kansas, so scoring some cheap points isn't only not out of the question for MU, it might be likely.

Kentucky will win if...Stephen Johnson takes care of the football and the running game picks up where it left off last week. Defensively, redzone stops will be huge. Missouri is going to move the football between the 20's...UK's "D" has to turn those drives into FGA's. Not easy...Missouri is averaging just one FGA per game so far.

Prediction...Kentucky 41 Missouri 31...Because both defenses are a little beat up (well, MU's is a LOT beat up), and because both offenses have been playing well, there's no reason to expect either offense to struggle. I like Kentucky because the UK offense vs. MU defense matchup could and probably should be a significant edge for the Cats. Avoiding turnovers will be important. You can't afford to give a good offense like Missouri's cheap points.

Previous Picks
(6-1 S/U, 4-3 ATS)
Kentucky 31 Southern Mississippi 27
Florida 23 Kentucky10
Kentucky 48 New Mexico State 13
Kentucky 31 South Carolina 26
Alabama 55 Kentucky 7
Kentucky 23 Vanderbilt 13
Kentucky 20 Mississippi State 17

GBB!!!
 
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UKCatNnc

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Thanks UKErik. I agree with what you are saying. It will be interesting to see how Missouri's offense runs against the Cats!! Thanks again. Go Cats!!
 

gobgblu37

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Sounds about right, it will be a shootout this weekend but the Cats are finding ways to win and in those types of games confidence is sooo important.
 

BlueRaider22

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Moreover, my Blue Raiders knocked out Missou's starting CB, star LB, and starting DL. Put several on crutches. I don't know the status this wk but they changed to street clothes last wk so it's probably not good. Also, another of their DL got ejected last wk which means they have to skip the first half of our game. Their stud RB, Crockett, is good but he too got banged up. He hurt his shoulder and missed a few series. When he did return he wasn't anywhere near the same. So, his status too is up in the air.

Missou is ultra quick tempo. That's really their best weapon. They snap it quick and sling the ball sideline to sideline. Middle had 2 substitution penalties in the first half alone due to their tempo. I actually really like the match up. Missou's tempo will enable them to move the ball but after watching Middle, I'm much more confident in our defense stopping Missou's offense enough.....more so than Missou stopping our offense.

Though make no mistake. If you are expecting defensive dominance to the point where Missou doesn't score much you'll be disappointed. They will score and they will run a ton of plays.....but I like this match up.
 

EliteBlue

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I see it less than 7 either way at half. And then our run game eventually takes over the clock and wears them down and we stretch a lead out.

38-24 Cats
 
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If we dont turn the ball over I feel we win this one going away. We are playing so much better but still not clicking on all cylinders. Very excited to see if they can put it all together in all three phases and not turn the ball over.
 

TuckyFB

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They just lost another player now too. Terry Beckner. I'm high on this guy but they still have Charles Harris. If we can contain him. We win.
 
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SDcatfan13

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If we can go even in turnovers with them, we win easily. UKs defense is improving, and have weapons (Jones, Ware, Baity/Westry) that can flip the game quickly. There best two are out.

Kentucky 34
mizzou 24
 

JC CATS

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Moreover, my Blue Raiders knocked out Missou's starting CB, star LB, and starting DL. Put several on crutches. I don't know the status this wk but they changed to street clothes last wk so it's probably not good. Also, another of their DL got ejected last wk which means they have to skip the first half of our game. Their stud RB, Crockett, is good but he too got banged up. He hurt his shoulder and missed a few series. When he did return he wasn't anywhere near the same. So, his status too is up in the air.

Missou is ultra quick tempo. That's really their best weapon. They snap it quick and sling the ball sideline to sideline. Middle had 2 substitution penalties in the first half alone due to their tempo. I actually really like the match up. Missou's tempo will enable them to move the ball but after watching Middle, I'm much more confident in our defense stopping Missou's offense enough.....more so than Missou stopping our offense.

Though make no mistake. If you are expecting defensive dominance to the point where Missou doesn't score much you'll be disappointed. They will score and they will run a ton of plays.....but I like this match up.
How good is MTSU, what is your record and who have you beat outside of Missouri
 

jauk11

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MTSU lost to WKU by one point thee previous week.

We seem to be building a lot of confidence for a four to five point underdog. I jumped on UK at +4 and then had to bet again because it went to +5, LOL.

Thanks for the discussion,good stuff.
 

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I think UK wins this game. They have played well lately and Missouri is basically playing their second string defense.
 
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BlueRaider22

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How good is MTSU, what is your record and who have you beat outside of Missouri

Middle is 5-2 currently and they are probably one of the top 2-3 teams is CUSA. They beat La-Tech who scared Arkansas earlier in the yr. They hung with Vandy for a half (even leading through a portion of it) but then collapsed. We're beating WKU for the majority of the game before WKU came back to win in double OT.

Middle has a very explosive and balanced offense under Tony Franklin (you may have heard of him ) But their defense is lacking this yr after putting a few guys in the league. They're trying to win this yr with shootouts due to the lack of defense.
 
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JHB4UK

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Not sure their defense will stop us once on Saturday (hopefully we dont give it away to them), might not need to travel the punter. The Benny & Boom show will each go 100+ on the ground. But I do think their ultra quick tempo offense will give us serious problems. They run a Big 12 offense, I expect a Big 12 final score.

UK 59
Mizzou 45
 

Pharmboy007

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It seems pretty simple to me. If we don't turn the ball over, we should win.

The TO's have simply killed us in several games. They have made games close even in ones we eventually won, and absolutely killed us in ones we lost.

GO CATS
 
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maysvilleky

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I really think UK has trouble with up tempo. I hope there isn't many breakdowns in the secondary. IMO whoever wins the turnover battle will win this game. I really would like to see UK dominate the time of possession but hopefully it's not because they let Missouri score quickly a lot. I believe UK has the better talent for this one, but I think it will be a last possession type game again. I pick UK to win on another late FG and maybe pick off a pass to seal the deal.
 

Mr Schwump

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Very, very dangerous game for UK. Problem here is they'll throw 40-50 times and UK's lacking a pass rush. Their running game isn't shabby either. Plus UK on the road has been especially horrible. UK's O presents problems for them but the UK D, while improved, still forces few turnovers, are lacking in tackles for losses and sacks. Dangerous game...Missouri 38-35.
 

Mikey Likes It

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You know I watched Missouris last game on watchESPN last night and it oddly put me at ease on this one.
 

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Kinda floored that it's even somewhat conceivable that the game in knoxville could be for a trip to Atlanta. That's possible even if we just split the next 2 SEC games.
 

Glenn Fohr

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Dangerous bunch of Tigers. Nothing to lose by going out and playing out of their minds. We need to be sharp and if we get them down bury them.
 

Mr Schwump

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You know I watched Missouris last game on watchESPN last night and it oddly put me at ease on this one.

Different week, different game, different opponent. Maybe they won't play that poorly again....or maybe they'll play worse. College football is so much mental and confidence, just never know.
 

Mikey Likes It

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Different week, different game, different opponent. Maybe they won't play that poorly again....or maybe they'll play worse. College football is so much mental and confidence, just never know.
Very true. NC State gave Clemson all they wanted and then rolled over and played dead for an entire half against Louisville the next week.
 
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I think UK will have success running the ball against Mizzou.

What worries me is the UK defense against that offense. That is going to be a very difficult for them to stop.
 

JC CATS

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Middle is 5-2 currently and they are probably one of the top 2-3 teams is CUSA. They beat La-Tech who scared Arkansas earlier in the yr. They hung with Vandy for a half (even leading through a portion of it) but then collapsed. We're beating WKU for the majority of the game before WKU came back to win in double OT.

Middle has a very explosive and balanced offense under Tony Franklin (you may have heard of him ) But their defense is lacking this yr after putting a few guys in the league. They're trying to win this yr with shootouts due to the lack of defense.
Thanks! Sounds like a very good MTSU team. Yes I have heard of Tony Franklin, slow ball and pound it out on the ground :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
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Mr Schwump

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Middle is 5-2 currently and they are probably one of the top 2-3 teams is CUSA. They beat La-Tech who scared Arkansas earlier in the yr. They hung with Vandy for a half (even leading through a portion of it) but then collapsed. We're beating WKU for the majority of the game before WKU came back to win in double OT.

Middle has a very explosive and balanced offense under Tony Franklin (you may have heard of him ) But their defense is lacking this yr after putting a few guys in the league. They're trying to win this yr with shootouts due to the lack of defense.

BlueRaider22, isn't the MT QB the coach's son? He looks like a good player.
 

KYCAT78

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Put together long sustained drives keeps their defense on the field and their offense on the sideline. Also their up tempo offense does not do their depleted defense any favors. Take care of the ball and we should win.
 

Mikey Likes It

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Put together long sustained drives keeps their defense on the field and their offense on the sideline. Also their up tempo offense does not do their depleted defense any favors. Take care of the ball and we should win.
We only have to worry about the offense tempo if we let em get first downs. Shutting down the run early would really help as their QB is pretty inconsistent on his throws.

edit: whoops replied to the wrong post.
 

BlueRaider22

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BlueRaider22, isn't the MT QB the coach's son? He looks like a good player.

It's a small world. He originally was committed to Cincy to play for Eddie Gran but that was the yr that Gunnar Kiel decided to transfer from ND to Cincy. So he changed at the last minute to play for his dad at Middle. Redshirted his first yr. He's now a RS-soph.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brent-stockstill-1.html

So far after 1.5 yrs of starting he's accounted for 52:15 TD/INT ratio...65.5% comp....234 yds Rush and 2 TDs. He throws with great accuracy and antipation. He's wicked football smart and is a gym/video rat. His main problem is being only 6' 205#. In college it's not a big deal but at the next level it's a big problem.
 
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Mr Schwump

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It's a small world. He originally was committed to Cincy to play for Eddie Gran but that was the yr that Gunnar Kiel decided to transfer from ND to Cincy. So he changed at the last minute to play for his dad at Middle. Redshirted his first yr. He's now a RS-soph.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brent-stockstill-1.html

So far after 1.5 yrs of starting he's accounted for 52:15 TD/INT ratio...65.5% comp....234 yds Rush and 2 TDs. He throws with great accuracy and antipation. He's wicked football smart and is a gym/video rat. His main problem is being only 6' 205#. In college it's not a big deal but at the next level it's a big problem.

Thanks for the info.
 

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Mizzou has feasted on non-P5 schools averaging 62pts/game yet against P5 schools they average 14.75pts/game. That's a HUGE discrepancy! And is due mainly to the speed of their offense. These small schools don't have the depth to deal with that, but SEC schools do. Including UK. Our depth has a couple holes but overall we're in pretty good shape.

My keys to slowing the offense:
  • blitzing often and from different looks/spots
  • tackles for loss
  • get off the field on 3rd down (need to keep Mizzou under 40% here)
  • manage the rotation effectively to keep guys fresh
We do 2 of those 4 we most likely win. Do 3 of 4 or more and guaranteed win.

Offensively, eliminate TOs and keep doing what you're doing.

Feeling a quiet confidence about the game and team, Cats control clock and game, win 30-21
 
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Mizzou has feasted on non-P5 schools averaging 62pts/game yet against P5 schools they average 14.75pts/game. That's a HUGE discrepancy! And is due mainly to the speed of their offense. These small schools don't have the depth to deal with that, but SEC schools do. Including UK. Our depth has a couple holes but overall we're in pretty good shape.

My keys to slowing the offense:
  • blitzing often and from different looks/spots
  • tackles for loss
  • get off the field on 3rd down (need to keep Mizzou under 40% here)
  • manage the rotation effectively to keep guys fresh
We do 2 of those 4 we most likely win. Do 3 of 4 or more and guaranteed win.

Offensively, eliminate TOs and keep doing what you're doing.

Feeling a quiet confidence about the game and team, Cats control clock and game, win 30-21


I agree with your post. Ultimately UK has to control the ball. Our running ability will help with that. While we have the ball we must limit turn overs. If that means not allowing Johnson to pull it down and run with it then so be it.

(blitzing often and from different looks/spots) Blitzing with the secondary as well as from the LB has brought us some success.
 

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I keep reading about "ball control with our ground game"; and I keep thinking that Williams and Snell can move the ball down the field very quickly. Go Cats!!
 
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I keep reading about "ball control with our ground game"; and I keep thinking that Williams and Snell can move the ball down the field very quickly. Go Cats!!

I love explosive plays and you have to take them when you get them. Logic will tell you when your defense is having trouble with their offense, the remedy is to limit the time the opponents offense is on the field. We limit this by 3 and out or turn overs, and mainly by keeping our offense on the field.

If our defense can consistently handle their offense, look for our offensive staff to become more aggressive and try to get some momentum for our passing game.
 
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