British Open....

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

.....anybody else watching 3rd RD today? That 3rd Hole pin position is complete horse$hit nonsense, unfair and utterly ridiculous - there is 0 yards to land the ball when hit directly at the pin (ball immediately rolls to right and off green even when hit the exact perfect distance - just short of pin... it immediately feeds ball to right and down the heavy slope directly right off pin off the green by 10-15 yards.).

While there is no specific stated rule in place, the PGA and USGA both issue strong recommendations for course setup (which in effect is basically a mandate) that the cup must be set on a level surface with at least 15' off level surface between the pin and all edges of the green - IOW, if pin is set on a level plateau and the plateau continues to edge - you can set pin 15' from that edge, but if there is a steep slope between green edge and pin, you don't count the sloped area within the minimum required flat area of 15' in all directions from pin before both severe unholdable slopes and or the edge of the green. IOW, if severe slope takes up 15' (i.e., what is typically referred to as a "false front"..... "false back".... "false side"), the minimum flat area distance to side does not include the "false portion" of the green that is completely unholdabe and will roll the ball well off the green into a "collection area".).

Anyone else watching think that pin position on 3 is utterly unfair and ridiculous?

 

[StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle]

.....anybody else watching 3rd RD today? That 3rd Hole pin position is complete horse$hit nonsense, unfair and utterly ridiculous - there is 0 yards to land the ball when hit directly at the pin (ball immediately rolls to right and off green even when hit the exact perfect distance - just short of pin... it immediately feeds ball to right and down the heavy slope directly right off pin off the green by 10-15 yards.).

While there is no specific stated rule in place, the PGA and USGA both issue strong recommendations for course setup (which in effect is basically a mandate) that the cup must be set on a level surface with at least 15' off level surface between the pin and all edges of the green - IOW, if pin is set on a level plateau and the plateau continues to edge - you can set pin 15' from that edge, but if there is a steep slope between green edge and pin, you don't count the sloped area within the minimum required flat area of 15' in all directions from pin before both severe unholdable slopes and or the edge of the green. IOW, if severe slope takes up 15' (i.e., what is typically referred to as a "false front"..... "false back".... "false side"), the minimum flat area distance to side does not include the "false portion" of the green that is completely unholdabe and will roll the ball well off the green into a "collection area".).

Anyone else watching think that pin position on 3 is utterly unfair and ridiculous?

I agree. Good to have you back.

 

[Bvillebaron]

.....anybody else watching 3rd RD today? That 3rd Hole pin position is complete horse$hit nonsense, unfair and utterly ridiculous - there is 0 yards to land the ball when hit directly at the pin (ball immediately rolls to right and off green even when hit the exact perfect distance - just short of pin... it immediately feeds ball to right and down the heavy slope directly right off pin off the green by 10-15 yards.).

While there is no specific stated rule in place, the PGA and USGA both issue strong recommendations for course setup (which in effect is basically a mandate) that the cup must be set on a level surface with at least 15' off level surface between the pin and all edges of the green - IOW, if pin is set on a level plateau and the plateau continues to edge - you can set pin 15' from that edge, but if there is a steep slope between green edge and pin, you don't count the sloped area within the minimum required flat area of 15' in all directions from pin before both severe unholdable slopes and or the edge of the green. IOW, if severe slope takes up 15' (i.e., what is typically referred to as a "false front"..... "false back".... "false side"), the minimum flat area distance to side does not include the "false portion" of the green that is completely unholdabe and will roll the ball well off the green into a "collection area".).

Anyone else watching think that pin position on 3 is utterly unfair and ridiculous?

You mean THE Open don’t you?

 

[LionJim]

Broadcast is on NBC. Leader is on the 8th hole. The question of the day is who gets second place.

 

[MtNittany]

Not as bad as last year, but we'll have to wait until 2028 - Muirfield - for a great venue. St. Andrews in 2 years is fine if you accept that hitting it over a hotel on the 17th hole is a part of the game.

Turnberry needs to be in the rotation, but GASP!@*

 

[PSUAVLNC]

Hate this schedule where there are no majors after July. C'mon!!! Ought to be the The Players mid March, Masters mid April, US Open Fathers Day Weekend, The British Open mid August and PGA mid September. Nothing left to watch in golf this year.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Hate this schedule where there are no majors after July. C'mon!!! Ought to be the The Players mid March, Masters mid April, US Open Fathers Day Weekend, The British Open mid August and PGA mid September. Nothing left to watch in golf this year.

I think they've got it right...get it wrapped up before football season. I certainly enjoy it better this way.

 

[NewEra 2014]

Hate this schedule where there are no majors after July. C'mon!!! Ought to be the The Players mid March, Masters mid April, US Open Fathers Day Weekend, The British Open mid August and PGA mid September. Nothing left to watch in golf this year.

The Ryder Cup, and to a lesser extent the FedEx playoff, would like to have a word. There is plenty left to watch in golf this year.

 

[NittanyBuff]

I love Golf, but not a big fan of the "British" open, dont care for the links courses or the **** weather, but Sheffler is a at a different level currently. DeChambeau might have won it had he not s**t the bed day one, don't think anyone played as well as he did the last 3 days.

 

[BeerLion]

I love Golf, but not a big fan of the "British" open, dont care for the links courses or the **** weather, but Sheffler is a at a different level currently. DeChambeau might have won it had he not s**t the bed day one, don't think anyone played as well as he did the last 3 days.

Yeah if Bryson would have shot even par on the first day he would have ended at 16 under (all things being equal). He was on fire. But alas, the first day does count.

 

[MtNittany]

Didn't see this posted anywhere - Grant Horvat w/ Saquon. I see Horvat a lot. He has a house across the street from our club on the water.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Yeah if Bryson would have shot even par on the first day he would have ended at 16 under (all things being equal). He was on fire. But alas, the first day does count.

Yes… real golf consists of 4 rounds… and they all count.

 

[bdgan]

Didn't see this posted anywhere - Grant Horvat w/ Saquon. I see Horvat a lot. He has a house across the street from our club on the water.

Yor home isn't on the water?

 

[MtNittany]

Yor home isn't on the water?

I live between the Intracoastal and the ocean in Juno. Horvat lives on the Loxahatchee River up in Tequesta where all the tour pros live.

 

[MtNittany]

Horvat and Saquon were at Llanerch. Played there a few times. Great place.

 

[CDLionFL]

.....anybody else watching 3rd RD today? That 3rd Hole pin position is complete horse$hit nonsense, unfair and utterly ridiculous - there is 0 yards to land the ball when hit directly at the pin (ball immediately rolls to right and off green even when hit the exact perfect distance - just short of pin... it immediately feeds ball to right and down the heavy slope directly right off pin off the green by 10-15 yards.).

While there is no specific stated rule in place, the PGA and USGA both issue strong recommendations for course setup (which in effect is basically a mandate) that the cup must be set on a level surface with at least 15' off level surface between the pin and all edges of the green - IOW, if pin is set on a level plateau and the plateau continues to edge - you can set pin 15' from that edge, but if there is a steep slope between green edge and pin, you don't count the sloped area within the minimum required flat area of 15' in all directions from pin before both severe unholdable slopes and or the edge of the green. IOW, if severe slope takes up 15' (i.e., what is typically referred to as a "false front"..... "false back".... "false side"), the minimum flat area distance to side does not include the "false portion" of the green that is completely unholdabe and will roll the ball well off the green into a "collection area".).

Anyone else watching think that pin position on 3 is utterly unfair and ridiculous?

At this link is the pin positions for Rd 3 at Oakmont. You will see that there were 6 different holes that were 4 paces or less from an edge with a couple others being 5 paces from the edge. So I guess even the USGA can't be bothered to follow their 'strong' recommendation.



I thought the 3rd hole that you reference was perfectly fair. The players have at least 2, often 3, days prior to the tournament to scout every green and chart potential pin placements so they would have known that it was a possibility a hole could be cut where it was. They can then use said practice rounds to work on potential shots around the green. Every caddy should have been able to find the little white dot on the green on Friday where the 3rd round placement would be. The caddy would have made notes in his yardage book and when he/she and the player sat down that night to discuss their game plan for Saturday, they'd have an idea of what to expect hitting into that green. The overwhelming thought should have been 'don't fire at the hole', instead 'land it middle of the green and let it run up'.

As or Portrush itself, it was pretty much defenseless the final 2 1/2 days with not much in the way of weather. Of the 4 courses in the rota that I've played, Portrush kicked my *** the worst because I hate playing in stiff winds and the day I got it was rather rough. Once the pros got by the rollercoaster weather of Thursday and a couple hours on Friday, it was pretty smooth sailing.

 

[Smee]

I live between the Intracoastal and the ocean in Juno. Horvat lives on the Loxahatchee River up in Tequesta where all the tour pros live.

Isleworth and Bay Hill were sad to see them go...

 

[Erial_Lion]

At this link is the pin positions for Rd 3 at Oakmont. You will see that there were 6 different holes that were 4 paces or less from an edge with a couple others being 5 paces from the edge. So I guess even the USGA can't be bothered to follow their 'strong' recommendation.

FWIW, the actual USGA recommendation for tournaments like this is at least 4 paces from the edge, with 2-3 feet of level ground around the hole.

 

[bdgan]

I live between the Intracoastal and the ocean in Juno. Horvat lives on the Loxahatchee River up in Tequesta where all the tour pros live.

Sounds like you're slumming it.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Hate this schedule where there are no majors after July. C'mon!!! Ought to be the The Players mid March, Masters mid April, US Open Fathers Day Weekend, The British Open mid August and PGA mid September. Nothing left to watch in golf this year.

Speaking of "Majors".... anyone else think the Olympics should count as a major now thar golf has been added given that it incorporates the top players from around the world? Scheffler staging a massive comeback in Final RD (shot a 62) to win the first ever Olympic Golf Gold was fitting imho.

 

[razpsu]

Speaking of "Majors".... anyone else think the Olympics should count as a major now thar golf has been added given that it incorporates the top players from around the world? Scheffler staging a massive comeback in Final RD (shot a 62) to win the first ever Olympic Golf Gold was fitting imho.

No.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Biggest change I want to see to the schedule is adding a Match Play event back in…bonus points if Austin Country Club gets it. Granted that Match Play doesn’t work out well for the networks on the weekends, but it’s a great format and the first few days were always fantastic.

 

[NewEra 2014]

Biggest change I want to see to the schedule is adding a Match Play event back in…bonus points if Austin Country Club gets it. Granted that Match Play doesn’t work out well for the networks on the weekends, but it’s a great format and the first few days were always fantastic.

Maybe making the final week of the FedEx playoff a match play event featuring the top 32 or 64 players? The historical format of the FedEx playoff has always been a bit clunky. Maybe a match play format could make it more entertaining.

 

[MtNittany]

I'd like to see a Persimmon wood, forged blade iron tournament. I put my old Macgregor driver down next to my Titleist last week and it's absurd how small it looks. And it is a deep-faced Tourney CW2.

 

[CDLionFL]

Maybe making the final week of the FedEx playoff a match play event featuring the top 32 or 64 players? The historical format of the FedEx playoff has always been a bit clunky. Maybe a match play format could make it more entertaining.

My modest proposal that I've tossed out on the airwaves a couple of times on a little radio show I'm a sidekick on would be to play the Tour Championship like a normal tournament (no starting strokes beginning this year, yay!!) and at the end of that, take the top 4 players in the points standings and have them go at it in match play (1 v 4, 2 v 3, 18 holes morning, 18-hole championship in afternoon) on Monday. The trick being that you do it over Labor Day weekend and you use Labor Day to crown your FedExCup champion. Depending on which network has the playoff rights that year, it would be a great lead-in to a Big Ten football game on Labor Day evening.

 

[Erial_Lion]

My modest proposal that I've tossed out on the airwaves a couple of times on a little radio show I'm a sidekick on would be to play the Tour Championship like a normal tournament (no starting strokes beginning this year, yay!!) and at the end of that, take the top 4 players in the points standings and have them go at it in match play (1 v 4, 2 v 3, 18 holes morning, 18-hole championship in afternoon) on Monday. The trick being that you do it over Labor Day weekend and you use Labor Day to crown your FedExCup champion. Depending on which network has the playoff rights that year, it would be a great lead-in to a Big Ten football game on Labor Day evening.

And you’ve still wrapped up by the start of NFL. I like it…though I still want a dedicated Match Play tournament too.

 

[CDLionFL]

And you’ve still wrapped up by the start of NFL. I like it…though I still want a dedicated Match Play tournament too.

There would be room to do that because they'd have to add in at least one extra week to the calendar, if they wanted to make it part of the regular season. Big question is how many players would go for it and to make it viable for TV, would they have to make it a signature event much like how the previous Match Play was under the WGC umbrella.

 

[Erial_Lion]

There would be room to do that because they'd have to add in at least one extra week to the calendar, if they wanted to make it part of the regular season. Big question is how many players would go for it and to make it viable for TV, would they have to make it a signature event much like how the previous Match Play was under the WGC umbrella.

Could even more it to the West Coast, sometime in the summer when days are longer, and start on Thursday with a Monday night prime-time finish (although I did always think that Austin was the perfect Match Play course).

I know the issue was always that Match Play isn't conducive to weekend TV viewers since you have no idea who will be playing, and only have 1-2 matches happening on Sunday during what is usually their best ratings (and who knows what 4 players you actually have in those final Championship/3rd place matches). This would at least give a thrilling Saturday as everyone tries to make it into the weekend...and Sunday afternoon, you're have 4 matches happening so hopefully a little more TV-friendly.

 

[MtNittany]

I watched a lot of Lucas Glover hitting balls Fri/Sat. We have many tour players at our club and Bears Club is closed, so they all have been at TCC. No one hits it better than him.

Russ Cochran was hitting next to him and came in and said "he makes it look easy, and it isn't". Steve Marino was in the locker room and agreed that he was a cut above as far as ball striking, and the most chill guy on tour.

 

[Bvillebaron]

No.

 

[Bvillebaron]

I watched a lot of Lucas Glover hitting balls Fri/Sat. We have many tour players at our club and Bears Club is closed, so they all have been at TCC. No one hits it better than him.

Russ Cochran was hitting next to him and came in and said "he makes it look easy, and it isn't". Steve Marino was in the locker room and agreed that he was a cut above as far as ball striking, and the most chill guy on tour.

A cut above the other players in your club? You can’t seriously be claiming Glover is a better ball striker than Scheffler.

 

[MtNittany]

A cut above the other players in your club? You can’t seriously be claiming Glover is a better ball striker than Scheffler.

SS is in Texas. I'm talking about the Tequesta guys that I see. Nick Hardy, Eric Cole, Rickie, Shane Lowry, Akshay, Berger, Cam Young, etc.

No one gets my attention like Emily though. She's just everything wonderful, wrapped in a big, blonde package. Her driver takeaway, and then her transition down is something to behold. I flirt w/ her and she makes fun of my age. Smart girl.

 

[Bvillebaron]

SS is in Texas. I'm talking about the Tequesta guys that I see. Nick Hardy, Eric Cole, Rickie, Shane Lowry, Akshay, Berger, Cam Young, etc.

No one gets my attention like Emily though. She's just everything wonderful, wrapped in a big, blonde package.