Bucket Getters

know1

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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.
 

Possum

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Execution against Bucknell is one thing. Being able to score as easily against Dook is altogether different. Not saying we cannot do it but, I need to see us score as freely against a talented, athletic squad first.
Here’s the thing. All of these aformentioned players have proven they can score on a D1 level. Jaxson was 6th man of the year in the best conference last year, the Big 12. Brea led the country in 3 point %. Kerr made his mark at Arizona and WVA. Almonor was a big time scorer. Carr shot the ball well in the ACC.
 

chroix

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Jul 22, 2013
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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.

Cal era only fans pretty sure.
 

DaDirtyLeb69

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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.
Well it’s clear your talking about me and I have thought through the process because I’ve explained it to you. Good teams can force you out of your comfort zone and out of rhythm. Duke is good defensively and Kentucky will not be able to run at the same efficiency as they were the first 2 games, so when I say they need a bucket getter, I’m saying somebody needs to create offense when the play breaks down or the offensive sets get taken away. So yes I have thought through what it means.
 
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DaDirtyLeb69

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Kentucky has potential guys who can they go to late in the clock. Robinson, Oweh, and Carr all have potential to do it. But they have to do it first
 

know1

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Well it’s clear your talking about me and I have thought through the process because I’ve explained it to you. Good teams can force you out of your comfort zone and out of rhythm. Duke is good defensively and Kentucky will not be able to run at the same efficiency as they were the first 2 games, so when I say they need a bucket getter, I’m l saying somebody needs to create offense when the play breaks down or the offensive sets get taken away. So yes I have thought through what it means.
When the play breaks down, the team should run a different one.

And no, I wasn't talking specifically about you.
 

king of cali

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Well it’s clear your talking about me and I have thought through the process because I’ve explained it to you. Good teams can force you out of your comfort zone and out of rhythm. Duke is good defensively and Kentucky will not be able to run at the same efficiency as they were the first 2 games, so when I say they need a bucket getter, I’m l saying somebody needs to create offense when the play breaks down or the offensive sets get taken away. So yes I have thought through what it means.
It’s really not that hard of a concept to understand unless you just choose to be obtuse.

It’s one thing to do it in glorified scrimmages . It’s another to do it when the talent level is equal and a team is scheming to take away what you do best. Let’s hope the guys are up for the challenge.
 

DaDirtyLeb69

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It’s really not that hard of a concept to understand unless you just choose to be obtuse.

It’s one thing to do it in glorified scrimmages . It’s another to do it when the talent level is equal and a team is scheming to take away what you do best. Let’s hope the guys are up for the challenge.
That’s been my point all along, and it’s like people haven’t watched basketball the last 3 years. The best team in CBK right now in UConn runs some of the most complex sets and one of the best offenses in the game. But they also needs a guy or guys to make a play when the set breaks down and go get a basket. Kentucky is the same thing. Pope has great sets and gets good looks but good teams will not let you run your offense every time down. So when that happens for Kentucky who is the guy that will make a play when the situation gets scrambled.
 

DaDirtyLeb69

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When the play breaks down, the team should run a different one.

And no, I wasn't talking specifically about you.
Fair enough. I want pope and the team tomorrow to make look a big idiot for questioning the offense at all in a big game. Kentucky is more than capable of doing it.
 
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TortElvisII

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The old regime would have maybe one player on the floor that could score and often none of them could. Seemed to have a lot of late in first half line-ups that lacked scoring.
 
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WallMash

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The one and two reason I'm not worried too much is Butler and Oweh. I think those two have a chip on their shoulder of never getting the accolades of Duke guards. And they're like old dogs about to go head to head with some pups.
 
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jrpross_rivals

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Feb 21, 2008
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David Sisk said something really interesting recently. He basically said that Cal’s offense was designed to create mismatches whereas Pope’s offense is designed to create open shots.

Which got me thinking; if Cal’s scheme worked, it meant DJ Wagner would get a lesser defender and try to take him off the dribble. If Pope’s scheme works, it leaves Koby Brea wide open for three. I go for the second option every time. NO defender is much better that a lesser defender.
 

Yardeth

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Jan 2, 2007
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No one is as quick as a pass. If you pass the ball and do not have lazy passes you can always get a man open. Ball movement is key. For this system you need as much movement as the Flying Karamazov Brothers act. All goes correctly and you will get buckets.
The Pro’s don’t seem to have issues getting shots with ball movement. GS proves this theory, and it does help to have players that aren’t selfish. We just need to hit our open shots and let the cards fall where they may!
 
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Eagles_Ball_69

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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.
Most all of those extra pass possessions you've seen have started with the defense having to help. That is what starts the rotations and extra passes. Granted, a good deal of it comes from transition. But sooner or later it needs to come in the half court. It can come from a screen (help) and then it starts. Or it can, and probably needs to at some point, come from a guy beating his man and forcing the help thus starting the rotations.

At the end of the day, good basketball comes down to half-court execution. A really good team is going to be able to neutralize your gimmicks. You're going to have to dig your heels in and get a half-court stop and then score in the half-court. That's NCAAT basketball in a nutshell. I think the book on the Cats is starting to get out. You saw it in the Bucknell game and you quickly saw the adjustment from Pope. When Williams was in, the Bucknell player guarding him was down in the lane. Pope immediately saw this and when straight ball screen instead of the zoom action we saw a ton against Wright St. Why? Williams' guy down in the lane clogs up 1/2 the options in zoom and Williams isn't a threat to shoot the 3. The chess match is so fun to watch with Pope. It's also why I think you saw more "smaller" 4 guard lineups and Carr playing the 5 some. I think you'll see more of that going forward, as long as the lineup with Carr at the 5 can get stops.
 

know1

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Last night, we witnessed how effective giving the ball to the talented player and letting them "go get a bucket" is vs. a team working together to get buckets is.

Hint: the team won.
 
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Skyguyb27

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Feb 12, 2008
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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.
We got a lot of fans that came on board during Cal’s time. They don’t know any different.
 

bbnkat02

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Well, the later stages of the Duke game says:
- Post up Andrew Carr
- Butler & Oweh have the ability to create by getting into the lane
Yeah, even then we had to fight for buckets. That Carr And One that sealed the game was a TOUGH shot and score. That's just part of it though. Duke's defense was insanely good at times last night. They will be a tough out for ACC teams and nonconference teams as well.
 

mrhotdice

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I honestly have tried and tried to understand why people keep thinking we don't have a player that can go get a bucket or why that's even necessary.

It's a team game. It's a lot more effective for the team to work together to get a basket rather than an individual.

I really think people who keep saying this haven't really thought through what that means.
They have Cal Syndrome