Calipari's ridiculously complex offenses vs. South Carolina

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Aside from the obviously dominant defensive performance by UK which drove the Cats to victory, the two themes of UK's offense were guard play and schematic adjustments to Carolina's defensive looks. I'm not totally ready to anoint this game the best of the year, but it may have been the most complete. A few notes…

(1) UK's guards were outstanding. Only 8 turnovers against an intense ball club that tried full court press, half court man press, and half court zone press for much of the game. And it was not just Andrew and Ulis. Aaron and Booker both handled the ball extremely well. Adding to their performance, Calipari hardly set a single high post screen for the point guards in the first half. They did everything virtually on their own in the offense. Truly, a virtuoso performance from UK's guards.

(2) Two very different halves for UK's offense. In the first half, UK scored 20 points in transition. In the second, they scored 5. This largely came from the fact that UK's defense was so dominant, Frank Martin had to abandon the plan to crash the boards and send everyone back in transition. UK scored 14 points on 17 half court sets in the first half and 19 points on 21 sets in the second half. Not earth-shattering, but enough to win.

(3) Clutch, once again. UK scored on 9 of its 15 final possessions, including 5 of its last 8 (this is counting the two shot clock heave plays in the last two minutes when the outcome was decided). UK is simply terrific down the stretch.

(4) In the first half, Kentucky ran 17 half court sets. 12 of these sets were not only different plays, they were completely different plays, that not only started out differently, but then evolved into yet another different play if the first look was not there. The second half was less innovative (Calipari "only" introduced four distinctly different plays), but that is because (a) South Carolina essentially forced UK into playing a spread/spaced offense because of the half court presses and traps, and (b) UK ran pass and cut plays for the last 6 minutes of the game, as it was effectively over by then. Overall, it is becoming difficult keeping up with all of UK's various looks in a game.

(5) UK's execution was better offensively against USC. Fewer busted plays and the players responded to running them more instinctively.

(6) IMHO, the most intriguing play of the game came at the 18:40 mark in the second half. Watch it just for kicks and tell me if you see what I think I saw. The play looks like it is going to be a Triangle (which I've not seen yet this year), but then it turns into two sequential screens set by Lee and Johnson that Ulis runs through in succession, before kicking it to Booker for a wide-open 3. To say that South Carolina was "confused" on this play would flatter The Gamecocks' awareness of what was happening. It was basketball perfection, tainted only slightly by the possibility that UK set two illegal screens on the play (I'll let you all be the judge). Regardless, it was pure poetry.

(7) UK did not force feed the post like they did in the last game. Rather, it looked like Calipari trusted his guards to get the ball down low on their own without passing it there. As a result, there were several more ISO and clear-out plays than in the last few games.

(8) Some folks pointed out that Towns did not play many minutes. I'm not sure if this was the reason, but with 9:30 left in the first half, South Carolina ran a tightly packed zone defense that left no room for UK players on the interior. Towns got the ball and pulled a turnaround baseline jumper that missed, with his four teammates all around the perimeter. It wasn't just a bad shot, it came at a frustrating time in the game when USC had just obtained a lucky tip in off the glass to them us to within 3. Cal called timeout and let Towns have it. But after benching him he put him back in 3 minutes later, which I thought was a good sign.

(9) Booker's first step continues to dazzle. Lyles in the open floor continues to baffle. With the ball, he's a work in progress; without the ball, he does very well for himself.






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You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
 

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Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
 
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Originally posted by pascat:
Aside from the obviously dominant defensive performance by UK which drove the Cats to victory, the two themes of UK's offense were guard play and schematic adjustments to Carolina's defensive looks. I'm not totally ready to anoint this game the best of the year, but it may have been the most complete. A few notes…

(1) UK's guards were outstanding. Only 8 turnovers against an intense ball club that tried full court press, half court man press, and half court zone press for much of the game. And it was not just Andrew and Ulis. Aaron and Booker both handled the ball extremely well. Adding to their performance, Calipari hardly set a single high post screen for the point guards in the first half. They did everything virtually on their own in the offense. Truly, a virtuoso performance from UK's guards.

(2) Two very different halves for UK's offense. In the first half, UK scored 20 points in transition. In the second, they scored 5. This largely came from the fact that UK's defense was so dominant, Frank Martin had to abandon the plan to crash the boards and send everyone back in transition. UK scored 14 points on 17 half court sets in the first half and 19 points on 21 sets in the second half. Not earth-shattering, but enough to win.

(3) Clutch, once again. UK scored on 9 of its 15 final possessions, including 5 of its last 8 (this is counting the two shot clock heave plays in the last two minutes when the outcome was decided). UK is simply terrific down the stretch.

(4) In the first half, Kentucky ran 17 half court sets. 12 of these sets were not only different plays, they were completely different plays, that not only started out differently, but then evolved into yet another different play if the first look was not there. The second half was less innovative (Calipari "only" introduced four distinctly different plays), but that is because (a) South Carolina essentially forced UK into playing a spread/spaced offense because of the half court presses and traps, and (b) UK ran pass and cut plays for the last 6 minutes of the game, as it was effectively over by then. Overall, it is becoming difficult keeping up with all of UK's various looks in a game.

(5) UK's execution was better offensively against USC. Fewer busted plays and the players responded to running them more instinctively.

(6) IMHO, the most intriguing play of the game came at the 18:40 mark in the second half. Watch it just for kicks and tell me if you see what I think I saw. The play looks like it is going to be a Triangle (which I've not seen yet this year), but then it turns into two sequential screens set by Lee and Johnson that Ulis runs through in succession, before kicking it to Booker for a wide-open 3. To say that South Carolina was "confused" on this play would flatter The Gamecocks' awareness of what was happening. It was basketball perfection, tainted only slightly by the possibility that UK set two illegal screens on the play (I'll let you all be the judge). Regardless, it was pure poetry.

(7) UK did not force feed the post like they did in the last game. Rather, it looked like Calipari trusted his guards to get the ball down low on their own without passing it there. As a result, there were several more ISO and clear-out plays than in the last few games.

(8) Some folks pointed out that Towns did not play many minutes. I'm not sure if this was the reason, but with 9:30 left in the first half, South Carolina ran a tightly packed zone defense that left no room for UK players on the interior. Towns got the ball and pulled a turnaround baseline jumper that missed, with his four teammates all around the perimeter. It wasn't just a bad shot, it came at a frustrating time in the game when USC had just obtained a lucky tip in off the glass to them us to within 3. Cal called timeout and let Towns have it. But after benching him he put him back in 3 minutes later, which I thought was a good sign.

(9) Booker's first step continues to dazzle. Lyles in the open floor continues to baffle. With the ball, he's a work in progress; without the ball, he does very well for himself.






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This post was edited on 1/25 5:37 AM by pascat
Excellent post! You definitely pay close attention.
 

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Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
 

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Excellent analysis, pascat. I watched this game intently and in person and had no idea what I was seeing offensively. I was disgusted at times because of the virtual lack of an inside game. Looking at the whole of it through your perspective has brought some enjoyment to what was otherwise a tense, unsatisfying experience for me.
 

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Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
What do you mean "whatever that means"? It means exactly what it says; an offensive set.

Also, Cal doesn't run a whole lot of specific set "plays". He runs some, but not a lot.

Instead he likes to run actions, that open up react and react situations, allowing his players the freedom to create, giving them multiple options to make a play.



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Originally posted by J.C.D.M.:

Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
What do you mean "whatever that means"? It means exactly what it says; an offensive set.

Also, Cal doesn't run a whole lot of specific set "plays". He runs some, but not a lot.

Instead he likes to run actions, that open up react and react situations, allowing his players the freedom to create, giving them multiple options to make a play.



This post was edited on 1/25 8:12 AM by J.C.D.M.
This. After one of these posts a few games ago, Cal actually said he ran fewer sets and wanted a more free, random offense….I think he actually used the word random. Go back and listen to the post-game pressers from the past few games and you'll hear him. I can't remember which it was, but it's there.

To act as though Cal's offense is highly "scripted" would be wrong. To act as though he rolls the ball out would also be wrong.
 

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Originally posted by EnglandWildcat:

Originally posted by J.C.D.M.:

Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
What do you mean "whatever that means"? It means exactly what it says; an offensive set.

Also, Cal doesn't run a whole lot of specific set "plays". He runs some, but not a lot.

Instead he likes to run actions, that open up react and react situations, allowing his players the freedom to create, giving them multiple options to make a play.



This post was edited on 1/25 8:12 AM by J.C.D.M.
This. After one of these posts a few games ago, Cal actually said he ran fewer sets and wanted a more free, random offense….I think he actually used the word random. Go back and listen to the post-game pressers from the past few games and you'll hear him. I can't remember which it was, but it's there.

To act as though Cal's offense is highly "scripted" would be wrong. To act as though he rolls the ball out would also be wrong.
I would agree with this, but I'd bet it was "taught" nonetheless. I saw Booker move through differently than I can recall him doing on that three when he got open. The teaching probably happened in practice because at least two players knew what was happening. I'd suspect they all recognized what was going on because the spacing was good also.
 

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Originally posted by J.C.D.M.:

Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
What do you mean "whatever that means"? It means exactly what it says; an offensive set.

Also, Cal doesn't run a whole lot of specific set "plays". He runs some, but not a lot.

Instead he likes to run actions, that open up react and react situations, allowing his players the freedom to create, giving them multiple options to make a play.



This post was edited on 1/25 8:12 AM by J.C.D.M.
I know what it means, but I don't think the OP is using it correctly.

And there is definitely no way Cal is running 17 different schemes, sets, scripted actions, etc. etc.
 

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Thanks for the analysis. As always, great job! I'm not sure about the number of offensive sets, but I do believe they have multiple options from the sets they do use. Because we are so inconsistent offensively, I doubt Cal would make the offense more complex. If anything, I'd think he'd try to make it easier and able to run it instinctively without a lot of thinking.

Also, you are correct on other observations of the game:

~Because Booker had trouble getting open against Vandy, I'm sure the coaching staff incorporated a couple wrinkles that would allow him to find open space. So the double screens you mentioned may have been intentionally incorporated for that purpose.

~KAT was benched because of his lack of physicality and the incident you eluded to is a prime example of that. He needs to take the ball at people and draw the contact. He's the best free-throw shooting big we have.

~Passing to the post during this game came more out of the offense than it did during the Vandy game. Vandy anticipated a first pass to the post and was able to deflect or steal. Its almost like they knew our game plan was to exploit their lack of size on the inside, so they took that away.

I would really like to see this team become more efficient offensively, and I think they will. When they do, they will be a tough team to beat in March.
 

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I wish pascat could do this in some kind of webcast format with a telestrator and everything. After reading his analyses of earlier games I've been trying to pay more attention and pick up on these things. Having only played football my knowledge of basketball plays is pretty limited and I really appreciate all the effort that goes into this.

I love that Cal is always coaching and teaching, no matter the score. That's what made Pitino a great coach when he was at UK. Cal has so far surpassed CRaP in every other aspect of being UK's coach that it's almost laughable.

Thanks for the hard work on this pascat.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, guys.

If you go back and watch the games, it is clear that Calipari has his players in specific places on most plays. The exceptions to this are if the opponent is pressing (either in a half-court or full court variety), has not gotten back on defense quickly enough, or is exposing a gap on defense. Strategy also breaks down if the game is already decided. Overall, these make up about 40% of the game, which is not uncommon. In these cases, UK attacks the area of vulnerability.

In a half court situation, it is clear that UK runs "plays" or "sets" or whatever you want to call them. This is what my posts are about, not about the stuff that happens in non-half-court situations. What lends a random feel to these plays is that Calipari trusts his players (especially his point guards) enough to bail out on a play if the offense is not there. UK resets many, many plays. They also bail out midstream on several plays.

I know a few of you have heard Calipari say that there is a random approach to UK's offense. There may be an element of truth to that, but I think the quote that is most indicative of UK's offense is Cal's oft-repeated claim that UK's offense "takes whatever the defense gives" them. Obviously, this does not mean you go out and run around without some degree of a script. It means recognizing what the defense is giving you, who your personnel are, and what is likely to work.

I am not pretending to be an expert. Indeed, I would encourage you to go back and watch the games closely and tell me what you see. There is just no way that what Calipari is doing is "random." The spacing, rotations, cuts, and most importantly, the timing of off the ball screens, suggest that Calipari has his players fully aware of where they are supposed to be and when they are supposed to get there.

The whole reason for my first post in this series was my recognizing that UK's offense looked very strategic--much more than just running "feel" plays.
 

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I'm saying that as a compliment more than anything, Chuck. As in Cal's teams are way more sophisticated than many realize.
 

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That one play by Ulis had me literally jumping out of my chair. Absolutely perfect execution, and it WAS a set play. A few other I also noticed were very well run. And I did notice UK changing looks frequently, it kept USC off balance the whole game.

Cal is continuing to work on different things in each game. This game it was clear he was telling the guys not to rely on the 3 but only take one off a great pass. They responded with a great inside and midrange game. And when it got close they were able to bury a couple of 3s and get separation.

This is really good offense at work, and it is getting better.
 

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Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
By 17, the OP means we had the ball in a half court setting 17 times, not that we ran 17 different plays, schemes, etc. Nothing UK does is complex. Running basketball plays is not rocket science or like a QB having to go through progressions. There generally is only 4-5 components on any given play of passing, cutting and screening. The plays are designed to get the players in a position to best use their abilities to score whether that is shooting or driving and creating. Ball movement and player movement are the two most important parts of any offense. If one or the other are not happening well then you pretty much have Tubby Ball...
 

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there's nothing complex at all about our offense. Even Coach Cal says that its by design. He doesn't want it complex, but allows much offensive freedom for the guys.
 

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Originally posted by 3rex:

there's nothing complex at all about our offense. Even Coach Cal says that its by design. He doesn't want it complex, but allows much offensive freedom for the guys.
About 40-50% of the time, this is true. In true half court sets, however, Cal has many different sets that are very precise, with specific roles assigned to players, different timing plays, schemes, cuts, etc. All I ask is that people watch the replays and you'll see. There are reasons why UK makes it look so easy at times. We are not just very talented, we are intelligent.
 

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I swear Pascat is busting a gut laughing right after. Hitting the SEND button on these threads . Our offense consist of a pick and roll MOST of the time , to go off writing paragraph after paragraph on its complexities is comic genius . I only watched from about ten mark of the second half but I see is pick n roll , drive , pick n roll , drive ... Occasionally. Dish for a three or draw a defender and dish to a big . But our offense is lacking ball and player movement . We win in spite of our offensive philosophy not because of it . ( and our D ain't half bad )

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think you might be reading too much into this. most motion offenses (we do run a version of the motion offense) have some variability depending on how the other team is defending you. they require the players to read the way the defender is playing and make a decision based upon that.

one time down the court they may defend a certain way which means our player makes a cut in one direction. the next time down the court they may defend another way and our player cuts in a different direction.

considering frank martin spent time coaching under bobby huggins and is known as a defensive minded coach. i'm sure south carolina was switching things up defensively quite a bit.

i'm sure cal has a lot of set plays. doubt we ran 17 different sets in this game but rather some of that variability was our players reading their defense and cutting differently within our motion offense.
 

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Originally posted by ManitouDan:
I swear Pascat is busting a gut laughing right after. Hitting the SEND button on these threads . Our offense consist of a pick and roll MOST of the time , to go off writing paragraph after paragraph on its complexities is comic genius . I only watched from about ten mark of the second half but I see is pick n roll , drive , pick n roll , drive ... Occasionally. Dish for a three or draw a defender and dish to a big . But our offense is lacking ball and player movement . We win in spite of our offensive philosophy not because of it . ( and our D ain't half bad )

This post was edited on 1/25 7:58 PM by ManitouDan

I will state this first: I know very little about basketball play-making or other items being discussed in this thread but I like reading it and trying to pick some things up...but,...

I have seen many statements similar to yours concerning baseball and I laugh too as baseball is very precise and intricate if played well and very complicated. Not just hitting a ball with a stick. Be Good
 

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Great post Pas . Don't listen to the idiots like 3rex and Manitou as they are in the same league as Kumarcat . Trolls , nothing more , nothing less .
 

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We ran 12 separate plays in the first half and 4 in the second, for a total of 16. Completely different plays. As in players starting out in totally different places, running in different directions, with different timing on their cuts, and different numbers of players moving to different spaces on the floor. While many of them involve "motion" (what offensive play doesn't, for that matter?) and screens (again, most plays do) they were completely different in terms of their orientation and execution.

Furthermore, most of these plays involved completely different resets after they tried the first look and it didn't work. They went into these resets immediately as well, before the point guard called a new play. In other words, they were preset designs. They were anything but random. UK's players are undoubtedly coached to exploit weaknesses in a defense when it is detected, but there is clearly a play to run when they are in these set ups.

And as a reminder, UK ran a lot of similar plays too, especially down the stretch. Running 16 distinct plays out of 38 means that there is variability but not uniformity. It isn't as if Calipari is running a completely strict offense every time out. But there is a lot more complexity and design there than people realize. That is my compliment to Calipari's coaching ability and to the players' ability to pick up complex looks so early in their careers.

I have no horse in this race. UK is very, very good. If they win by feel, fine. If they win with set designs, fine. The whole reason why I posted these observations in the first place is that there was much to like about the nuances of Calipari's offense.

Rather than speculate that I am reading too much into this, may I suggest that you actually watch the replays? You learn a lot more that way. I am far from an omniscient message board wizard. If you see something differently, I would invite feedback.
 

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Originally posted by caneintally:
Great post Pas . Don't listen to the idiots like 3rex and Manitou as they are in the same league as Kumarcat . Trolls , nothing more , nothing less .

lol...swears up & down he has me on "ignore"............responds with insults to every post I make


too funny
 

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Thanks for the classy reply Pascat ,, I will watch the replay again and study more closer , as opposed to the dumb comment I'm a troll because I dont view every move the team and coach makes with blue tinted lenses . I took similar heat for never being on the BCG band Wagon . Was told to jump off board and go root someone else many times . BBN is 10s of thousands of people , all are never going to agree on everything . The annoying thing is people getting all bent sideways because people offer opinions on a public message board .
 

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Originally posted by know1:


Originally posted by CELTICAT:


Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
Great rebuttal.

No facts.

No substance.


Way to prove him wrong.
 

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Originally posted by pascat:
We ran 12 separate plays in the first half and 4 in the second, for a total of 16. Completely different plays. As in players starting out in totally different places, running in different directions, with different timing on their cuts, and different numbers of players moving to different spaces on the floor. While many of them involve "motion" (what offensive play doesn't, for that matter?) and screens (again, most plays do) they were completely different in terms of their orientation and execution.

Furthermore, most of these plays involved completely different resets after they tried the first look and it didn't work. They went into these resets immediately as well, before the point guard called a new play. In other words, they were preset designs. They were anything but random. UK's players are undoubtedly coached to exploit weaknesses in a defense when it is detected, but there is clearly a play to run when they are in these set ups.

And as a reminder, UK ran a lot of similar plays too, especially down the stretch. Running 16 distinct plays out of 38 means that there is variability but not uniformity. It isn't as if Calipari is running a completely strict offense every time out. But there is a lot more complexity and design there than people realize. That is my compliment to Calipari's coaching ability and to the players' ability to pick up complex looks so early in their careers.

I have no horse in this race. UK is very, very good. If they win by feel, fine. If they win with set designs, fine. The whole reason why I posted these observations in the first place is that there was much to like about the nuances of Calipari's offense.

Rather than speculate that I am reading too much into this, may I suggest that you actually watch the replays? You learn a lot more that way. I am far from an omniscient message board wizard. If you see something differently, I would invite feedback.
You're delusional.
 

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Originally posted by know1:


Originally posted by pascat:
We ran 12 separate plays in the first half and 4 in the second, for a total of 16. Completely different plays. As in players starting out in totally different places, running in different directions, with different timing on their cuts, and different numbers of players moving to different spaces on the floor. While many of them involve "motion" (what offensive play doesn't, for that matter?) and screens (again, most plays do) they were completely different in terms of their orientation and execution.

Furthermore, most of these plays involved completely different resets after they tried the first look and it didn't work. They went into these resets immediately as well, before the point guard called a new play. In other words, they were preset designs. They were anything but random. UK's players are undoubtedly coached to exploit weaknesses in a defense when it is detected, but there is clearly a play to run when they are in these set ups.

And as a reminder, UK ran a lot of similar plays too, especially down the stretch. Running 16 distinct plays out of 38 means that there is variability but not uniformity. It isn't as if Calipari is running a completely strict offense every time out. But there is a lot more complexity and design there than people realize. That is my compliment to Calipari's coaching ability and to the players' ability to pick up complex looks so early in their careers.

I have no horse in this race. UK is very, very good. If they win by feel, fine. If they win with set designs, fine. The whole reason why I posted these observations in the first place is that there was much to like about the nuances of Calipari's offense.

Rather than speculate that I am reading too much into this, may I suggest that you actually watch the replays? You learn a lot more that way. I am far from an omniscient message board wizard. If you see something differently, I would invite feedback.
You're delusional.
I have come to the conclusion, after reading your posts...........you know very little about offensive basketball strategy.

The (whatever that means) comment was a tell all!

I believe you are the delusional one.

Thank you pascat.....great analysis. Seems it is way over the head of some!
 

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Regarding pascat's point about players being in set positions in Cal's sets:

This is very true. In fact in practice they used to (not sure if they still do) have X's on the floor at Craft for the players to stand when the offense started. The reason is essentially to get the floor spread out as much as possible to open up those driving lanes. In the DDMO they used to start the 3 so deep in the corner that his feet were almost touching the baseline.

And regarding pascat being delusional: it's clear Calipari is trying a bunch of different things. In the press conference before the game Saturday he told reporters they were "going to try a few new things" in practice that very day.

So it isn't delusional at all. I think the complexity and the different looks are about Cal trying to find what this team does. He clearly isn't sure yet and is trying to find out what sort of team they can be offensively.

Usually Cal does find it. He came upon the pick-and-roll very late in the Knight year. The tweak last year. He isn't afraid to tinker until he gets it right, and I think that tinkering is what pascat is (correctly) pointing out.




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And if you look back over the last two weeks and think about both what Cal has said in pregame/postgame pressers and what pascat has posted here, you can see him shuffling through a bunch of different stuff in an attempt to find an identity.

After the Missouri game Cal said they did a lot of random. At Alabama we were inside-heavy, mostly with Dakari. Then we went back to it against Vandy and it didn't work as well. Against South Carolina we tried to attack from the edges a lot more with the guards.

Clearly he's still trying to figure out what this team is on the offensive end.

I'm not sure how pascat feels about this, but I have reservations about college teams who feed the post a lot. It may not matter for this team given how we defend. But if you think about the teams that win titles, they're almost always guard-oriented and their post game is merely there for balancing the game out. Not a lot of teams that I can think of have won championships playing where they just jam the ball down into the post. I think when that starts to happen the guards begin to stand, and we've seen that in certain games with UK this year. If your guards are static in college basketball bad things tend to happen.




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OP,
I was fascinated by the defensive scheme by SC.
Cal called it a pack line variation. They pressured the ball everywhere and just collapsed on whoever was driving (which can lead to crazy hard fouls). It looked intimidating to me as a ball handler, because all the SC player left their man to come help, but tried to stay between their man and the ball to stop the kick-out.
As a scheme it is super aggressive, practically the opposite of UK.
 

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Originally posted by catinacchel:

OP,
I was fascinated by the defensive scheme by SC.
Cal called it a pack line variation. They pressured the ball everywhere and just collapsed on whoever was driving (which can lead to crazy hard fouls). It looked intimidating to me as a ball handler, because all the SC player left their man to come help, but tried to stay between their man and the ball to stop the kick-out.
As a scheme it is super aggressive, practically the opposite of UK.
It was very weird. The baseline was totally wide open for the entire game.

I thought they should have lobbed the ball over the top to one of the bigs. There were times when USC's entire defense was at the free throw line or out. Don't believe I've ever seen a team push out that far.
 

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Originally posted by EnglandWildcat:

Originally posted by J.C.D.M.:

Originally posted by know1:

Originally posted by CELTICAT:

Originally posted by know1:
You're dreaming with these posts. None of our offense is anywhere close to that scripted.
From what you done seen, Coach Cal just rolls them balls out don't he?!
No - but he definitely doesn't run 17 different "offensive sets" (whatever that means), either.
What do you mean "whatever that means"? It means exactly what it says; an offensive set.

Also, Cal doesn't run a whole lot of specific set "plays". He runs some, but not a lot.

Instead he likes to run actions, that open up react and react situations, allowing his players the freedom to create, giving them multiple options to make a play.



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To act as though Cal's offense is highly "scripted" would be wrong. To act as though he rolls the ball out would also be wrong.
I understand what you mean, but I would like to add that scripted doesn't always mean stop-for-step. Scripting can be conditional. I think that is more what Cal does. He runs actions as the poster above said and tells the players "when you do this, watch for them to do this or this...if they do this, do this....and so on".
 

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Originally posted by pascat:
Lyles in the open floor continues to baffle. With the ball, he's a work in progress; without the ball, he does very well for himself.
Well, he's not a wing, not yet, at least. The kid is a true college 4 but plays almost exclusively at SF. That is good for his NBA prospects but he's going to struggle against smaller, quicker defenders.