Cam getting a lot of love......

hart2chesson

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What is amazing to me that this is the 6th year in a row a Duke player has been hailed by his peers as having the best career. That's almost unfathomable given the influx of talent into the league every year.

2014: Jabari
2015: Jah
2016: Ingram
2017: Tatum
2018: Carter Jr.
2019: Reddish

Dave it IS "amazing," I agree....

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hart2chesson

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What does best career mean?

DukefanKY I think Cam's peers are surmising he will have the greatest overall impact on the league throughout his playing days at this level. Personally, I think Cam has good upside and given the opportunity to play a larger role than at Duke may indeed have a very productive career.

Nonetheless, even though he may not make the most impact over the long haul, (I mean who knows, right?) I cant help but think there's some envy of Zion amongst the group and hence he wasnt selected for "best career." I am not putting anyone down, but jealousy unfortunately is part of human nature, and I think Zion's hype probably sparks some resentment. OFC
 

hart2chesson

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What is amazing to me that this is the 6th year in a row a Duke player has been hailed by his peers as having the best career. That's almost unfathomable given the influx of talent into the league every year.
2014: Jabari
2015: Jah
2016: Ingram
2017: Tatum
2018: Carter Jr.
2019: Reddish

Dave again to your point it is an "almost unfathomable" achievement. It certainly speaks well for us developing players for the league, and is only a PLUS for recruiting!

Flipside, I love our PROGRAM and DUKE SPORTS SO MUCH, I can't help but feel a twinge of disappointment (w/exception of '15 and probably '16), the teams w/those uber talented players didnt make it farther in NCAA play. I know we BARELY MISSED last two years, and theres some luck involved.However I mean Cam getting chosen for BEST career on a team w/Zion and RJ???!! Yeah it stings a little we couldnt clip the nets down....Oh well...OFC
 

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Cam's game translates better to the modern NBA than any other draftee. If you were building the perfect NBA player in 2020, that guy would look like Cam. Long arms to be an elite defender, tall enough to play multiple positions, lean enough to run the floor for 8-9 months a year, and athletic enough to be able to compete with the best athletes in the world.

With all that said...Cam needs to greatly improve on every area of his game. I think his shooting will be fine, but he needs to REALLY improve his ball-handling, become a much better passer, develop better vision, become stronger with the ball, etc.
If he can improve all of that within the next couple years, than yes Cam does have the tools to be the best player in the class. Defense won't be an issue for him, he should excel on that end very quickly.

Based on the previous year selections (ironically all Duke guys) I wouldn't put any stock into this. These rookies haven't been correct since 2012, other than maybe Jayson Tatum, however most would probably say Donovan Mitchell is better than Tatum right now. Seems like the rookies do avoid picking the top picks. Could be jealousy, could be that the top dogs are already getting hype and love, could be many reasons that probably don't matter at all anyway.
 
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I’m not saying they’re the same, they’re not, but a lot of people didn’t think Steph Curry would have the best career of his draft class and he’s turned into one of the all time greats. Cam could surprise a lot of people.
 
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He probably will be good. I’m not gonna lie, if he’s as good in a couple years as he’s expected to be, there will be a part of me that says “why couldn’t you have been anywhere close to this during your 1 year at Duke?” It’s not that I’m anti nba, it’s that I’m pro Duke.
We didn’t see a guy that was anywhere near nba ready. He’s very fortunate he is the size he is.
 

hart2chesson

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He probably will be good. I’m not gonna lie, if he’s as good in a couple years as he’s expected to be, there will be a part of me that says “why couldn’t you have been anywhere close to this during your 1 year at Duke?” It’s not that I’m anti nba, it’s that I’m pro Duke.
We didn’t see a guy that was anywhere near nba ready. He’s very fortunate he is the size he is.

Cant lie Mac, if he does reach heights you mentioned, I am sure lots of Duke fans will be asking the question you referenced. OFC
 

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Well if he had hit his shots and had a tighter handle he would have done a lot better. Simple as that. A lot of guys really improve in the pros and I hope he does also.
 

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Cant lie Mac, if he does reach heights you mentioned, I am sure lots of Duke fans will be asking the question you referenced. OFC

I won’t. Lots of things you can do in the NBA than college. That’s why some kids games translate more to NBA than college and some great college players games never translate to the pros.
 
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Cam has always been somewhat of a mythical figure in the AAU and high school ranks. Guys who know him and have played with and against continue to rave about how good he is. We didn’t see it at Duke because he was a freshman in a new role. If this were a time where guys stayed a little longer, I bet we would have marveled at the Cam Reddish we had.

Imagine Dunleavy’s legacy if he left after his first year.
 

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He probably will be good. I’m not gonna lie, if he’s as good in a couple years as he’s expected to be, there will be a part of me that says “why couldn’t you have been anywhere close to this during your 1 year at Duke?” It’s not that I’m anti nba, it’s that I’m pro Duke.
We didn’t see a guy that was anywhere near nba ready. He’s very fortunate he is the size he is.

The answer to your question really does lie in the conjecture of “if Player A stayed for multiple years.” We’ve had some tremendously talented freshmen roll through, so the new expectation is that in year 1, they reach the same levels that “Legends” like Nolan, Jon, JJ, Grant, Shane and others achieved.

All of those guys had a 3-4 year window to become who they were. Not a single one of them (maybe Grant) would have been revered in the manner in which they are currently, if they left after one season. I agree with you totally that his potential and measurables are the only reason he was a draft pick. But that is the era we are in. I think at times we bring 1992 expectations into 2019, and that just isn’t what it is anymore.
 

hart2chesson

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I’ll be a believer when I see the fire from Cam. Until then I’ll temper my expectation....

I like the description you used about being "a believer when I see the fire from Cam." I still question his motor somewhat (particularly after the Va Tech game where even K was shocked by him pulling out at the last minute).

Likewise I will need to see him CONSISTENTLY be an outside shooting threat rather than the spotty marksmanship this year. However he has the tools obviously to shoot well. Also I will need to see him become stronger with the ball on his drives to the bucket (he also has the ability to be a good slasher).

Basically thats why I said he has a strong upside, which he does. He just came up a little short last year in an area we were counting on him for- CONSISTENT outside shooting.

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DukefanKY I think Cam's peers are surmising he will have the greatest overall impact on the league throughout his playing days at this level. Personally, I think Cam has good upside and given the opportunity to play a larger role than at Duke may indeed have a very productive career.

Nonetheless, even though he may not make the most impact over the long haul, (I mean who knows, right?) I cant help but think there's some envy of Zion amongst the group and hence he wasnt selected for "best career." I am not putting anyone down, but jealousy unfortunately is part of human nature, and I think Zion's hype probably sparks some resentment. OFC
YEP
 
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Saw an article that stated that cam said in an interview on first take that what he thought contributed to his rough season was his diet. He said he wasn’t eating healthy and that he always wanted pizza, fries, and junk food. Basically admitted he wasn’t in game shape and he was as healthy as he could’ve been. Said he has been working on cutting that stuff out and that he feels a lot better now on the court.
 

hart2chesson

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Saw an article that stated that cam said in an interview on first take that what he thought contributed to his rough season was his diet. He said he wasn’t eating healthy and that he always wanted pizza, fries, and junk food. Basically admitted he wasn’t in game shape and he was as healthy as he could’ve been. Said he has been working on cutting that stuff out and that he feels a lot better now on the court.

tp I saw same article and only wish he had paid attention to his eating habits better last year. However I understand these are just college kids, and there is a maturation process on such things. Duke does have excellent facilities however, and I saw Grayson Allen couple years ago in a feature (Coach K Show) on the menu choices, and they have some very healthy choices.

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tp I saw same article and only wish he had paid attention to his eating habits better last year. However I understand these are just college kids, and there is a maturation process on such things. Duke does have excellent facilities however, and I saw Grayson Allen couple years ago in a feature (Coach K Show) on the menu choices, and they have some very healthy choices.

OFC

Cam isn’t the first or last Duke player who struggled with having a world of food and drink at their disposal.
 

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JJ had diet issues thru soph year and transformed himself. Bad choices happen at a young age.

Cam skipping VT Sweet 16 game was alarming.
 

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I think Cam has a lot of potential. My guess is this is primarily based off that. I'm not sure I envision a scenario where Cam is the "best" player from this class, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's really, really good in the NBA.

Also, player expectations have changed over the years. Cam is still 19 years old and played one year of college basketball. He had a better freshman season than many Duke players before him who went on to very good NBA careers. We just only got to see one season. If this were college basketball of even 10 years ago Cam is probably returning for a second year and is in the discussion for preseason national player of the year. Plus, he wasn't near as good as Zion and R.J., so that stands out, too.
 

OldasdirtDevil

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Cam is very talented, but I don't know if his desire is at the same level. If he wants it badly enough, he could be special.

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Sometimes people act like Cam was unfairly overshadowed by Zion and RJ. He was overshadowed but it wasn't unfairly.
 

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If Cam played par to his incoming hype and ranking, there is no question that we would have #6. When we saw glimpses of his potential (UK, FSU 2nd half without Zion, UL 2nd half comeback) we were head and shoulders above any other team.

The problem is that we just didn't have the depth behind Cam to pull him and actually sit him when he was struggling. Basically our only option was Alex, and IMO Alex just wasn't there yet. Fans applaud Alex for the VT Sweet 16 game, and yes he played a lot and we won. But he basically played it as "don't screw up and don't get in anyone elses way." Almost like he was scared to make a mistake. He didn't really give us anything, he just didn't lose us the game.

IMO I think K knew our only avenue to the title was to play Cam and pray the light bulb turns on, it just didn't when we needed it to. Would have been nice to be able to see what Jordan Tucker could have given us off the bench.....
 

hart2chesson

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Or you could just stop the passive aggressive posts and just admit why you started the thread in the first place. You don’t like Cam. Got it, move on.

Hey listen I just posted articles/soundbites and sure I offered some opinion. In this case I agreed w/Bilas about "its whats inside here,"pointing to his heart referencing Cam.

Also I think Dirt and So Cal made good points : Dirt openly wondering about Cam's "desire," and So Cal questioning his "fire." I guess WE ALL need to"move on" huh?

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