They're a good team and all, but we beat them last year with a much less talented team. We have Willie and Karl to help contain Kaminski. The twins are better now than they were last season. Lyles is a great addition that we didnt have last year, not to mention Booker and Ulis for added depth. We're gonna be just fine.
Can Someone Explain To Me Why We're Concerned About Wisconsin?
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You can thank Matt Jones and the local afternoon sports huddle crew for perpetuating this mass hysteria. Even if UK are suspicious about most of the national media, they'll take the talking heads in their own back yard seriously.
The constant hand wringing in general here over the last week has made RR almost unbearable for me. If it's not worry about our 2 seed, it's RPI or the ESPN brackets (which mean diddly ****).
Our own members, real UK fans, are RR worst concern trolls...acting as if we somehow stumbled and lucked into overall #1
I'll be happy when the brackets come out and the "what if" concern threads stop bumping good threads off the 1st page.
I've heard this "we beat them" last year thing dozens of times on here and it doesn't make any sense. First of all, we beat them on a 3-pointer with 5 seconds in the game. It's not like we handled them.
Secondly, this is a different UK team altogether so last year doesn't have anything to do with anything. Wisconsin has a year's worth of growth and we're a completely different team.
People are concerned because we're HUGE fans who want to win the title. If you're not concerned about some teams, you're a fool. Wisconsin is really good. Duke is really good. Arizona is really good. Same with Virginia, Villanova, etc. Anyone who has ever watched the NCAA Tournament knows the best doesn't always win it. Any rational fan wants the most fortunate bracket we can get.
Being concerned about other teams doesn't make you less of a fan or lacking confidence. It makes you an intelligent person who's watched a lot of basketball.
if you are worried about anyone with this team you are not paying attention. Nothing wrong with respecting Wisconsin , as i do , but am i at all worried about them? Hell no. We are UK and we are the best team in a lonnnnng time. Wisconsin is not stopping this . No one is . And all the wisconsin talk makes us look like pusses.
Its March. I'm afraid of everyone. Winning a championship is EXTREMELY difficult. The Cats have won 4 titles in my 42 years. I've seen great teams, better teams lose heartbreaking games (Georgetown 84, Michigan 93, UNC 95, Arizona 97, Marquette 2003, WVU 2010, and last year's team lose to one-man UCONN squad in the title game).
One and done. I'm afraid of Dayton. And Oregon. And North Florida. And so on...
One and done. I'm afraid of Dayton. And Oregon. And North Florida. And so on...
fanatic is one of the best in bnn, haven't noticed him around much lately, maybe that's why he maybe doesn't realize there's been more analyzing of the perceptions of wisconsin, than perceptions of wisconsin. op just look at the next 4 pages. i will say this, i think more recently it's been a gripe about getting the best two, which with our standing would be ridiculous. not too many people we like (and i emphasize "like") that post here actually worry at all about facing them. but i agree with barry, in general wisconsin as a subject here is tired. as far as other two seeds, there only like 5 possible options if seeds hold in conference tourneys. i do prefer/insist the committee be more fair this time, but at the end of the day it's not going to really matter.
Exactly.
I'm as confident in this team as I was in 1996 and 2012- as in EXTREMELY confident- but I am still concerned. I still want a good bracket. I am still looking at match-ups.
Good for all you too-cool-for-school guys with no worries, but I'm going to be a nervous wreck this postseason entire run. It has nothing to do with Wisconsin specifically.
You make my argument for me. Yes, I am concerned about a couple teams, but not so much about Wisconsin. They have the same team back from last year with a little more experience. We also have a lot of returning players with added experience, plus we have many more new players with much more talent than what we lost from last season. Wouldnt you agree that this UK team is much better than last year's?
Yeah, we hit a buzzer beater to beat them, but we were in that position without Willie and Towns who will help keep Kaminski in check. Willie can guard him out on the perimeter if he chooses to step outside, and when that happens, we still have Karl to protect the rim. We also have Lyles that is a much better offensive weapon than Alex was last season, plus both twins have really developed their mid-range game. If foul trouble comes into play, we have Dakari, Booker and Ulis that can step in and make game winning plays. So, I ask you again, why so much concern?
UK has to win 6 games to win a national title.
I want the easiest road possible.
The more times UK has to play a team like Wisconsin, UVA, Duke, Arizona, etc etc......the more likely it is for us to lose. It doesn't matter how great we are.
So if in the 4th game, I had the option to get teams like Kansas or Gonzaga who some think aren't even deserving of a 2 seed vs a Wisconsin team that could be given a 1 seed, I'm going with the first two teams every single time.
We will be favored in every single game......but the easiest road allows for the opportunity for upsets to happen far less.
So I don't think it's people are concerned. I think more people are just upset because it doesn't seem fair a top 1 seed should face a top 2 seed.
I want the easiest road possible.
The more times UK has to play a team like Wisconsin, UVA, Duke, Arizona, etc etc......the more likely it is for us to lose. It doesn't matter how great we are.
So if in the 4th game, I had the option to get teams like Kansas or Gonzaga who some think aren't even deserving of a 2 seed vs a Wisconsin team that could be given a 1 seed, I'm going with the first two teams every single time.
We will be favored in every single game......but the easiest road allows for the opportunity for upsets to happen far less.
So I don't think it's people are concerned. I think more people are just upset because it doesn't seem fair a top 1 seed should face a top 2 seed.
If we can't talk about Wisconsin, who can we talk about? I think they are our biggest threat to a title at this point. Any one of several teams in the tournament can beat us, but I think Wiscy has the best shot.
I want a 2010 Duke road to the title; not a brutal 2014 UK type schedule. Look who Duke played in their run.
16 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
9 California
4 Purdue
3 Baylor
2 WVU
5 Butler
Look at Florida's run last year when they were given the weakest 2 seed in Kansas..
16 Albany
9 Pitt
4 UCLA
11 Dayton
Yeah, that makes a difference.
16 Arkansas-Pine Bluff
9 California
4 Purdue
3 Baylor
2 WVU
5 Butler
Look at Florida's run last year when they were given the weakest 2 seed in Kansas..
16 Albany
9 Pitt
4 UCLA
11 Dayton
Yeah, that makes a difference.
It really is simple. No one is afraid of playing Wisky. The question is when we should play them - - in the regional final or the final four? I think many UK fans believe that Wisky as a #2 seed is essentially the caliber of a #1 seed (as opposed to other likely #2 seeds like Kansas or the Zags who are not). Given that we are the overall #1 seed, I think most UK fans believe that we should not have to face a Wisky until at least the final four.
I do think that the "talking heads" made a valid point last night on the ESPN broadcasts. It is clear that Kentucky and Wisconsin are the two best teams in the nation and I agree that it would be a travesty to put them in the same region. The NCAA is all about the money and the TV revenue. They know that a KY vs. Duke semi final and a potential KY vis Wiscy Final will send TV ratings through the roof.
I may be wrong but I believe Kansas will end up in the Midwest as our #2...although I could envision a scenario where Gonzaga is the 2 seed in the Midwest with their pod being played in Seattle for rounds two and three.
I may be wrong but I believe Kansas will end up in the Midwest as our #2...although I could envision a scenario where Gonzaga is the 2 seed in the Midwest with their pod being played in Seattle for rounds two and three.
I for one hope we get them. I see no team in this tournament that we should fear.
I want Louisville as our 4
Then Wisconsin as our 2
Then Duke or Virginia in the F4
And the other in the title game.
I want a tough tournament road to cap off this season. Let's beat the best and leave all the haters in the dust.
If we go through the above road, their will be no doubt this is the best season in NCAA history.
I want Louisville as our 4
Then Wisconsin as our 2
Then Duke or Virginia in the F4
And the other in the title game.
I want a tough tournament road to cap off this season. Let's beat the best and leave all the haters in the dust.
If we go through the above road, their will be no doubt this is the best season in NCAA history.
This is the best response to a thread that I've seen in a long time. We're a great team and we'd beat any team out there if we played a series. But this is one and done and we've got that huge target on our back. I love our chances to hang #9 but anyone that thinks teams aren't going to play out of their minds as Cal says is just crazy. The sad thing is we could go 39-1 and lose the championship game and there'll be a huge number of fans go ballistic. I want to win this thing as bad as anyone on this board but it won't be easy.
There are several teams that concern me and Wisky is definitely one.
They have size and they can all shoot it. Disciplined and well coached. We barely beat them last year and they are better this year.
I would bet dollars that if we are lined up against them, Cal would be concerned as well. Damn good team that can win it all. Just like 2-3 others besides us.
But I will be concerned about every game we play because that's being a fan.
They have size and they can all shoot it. Disciplined and well coached. We barely beat them last year and they are better this year.
I would bet dollars that if we are lined up against them, Cal would be concerned as well. Damn good team that can win it all. Just like 2-3 others besides us.
But I will be concerned about every game we play because that's being a fan.
In this case that'd be them, not me. It's fascinating to see the disdain for Villanova and Arizona in hopes Wisconsin will get a 1 seed while ignoring that either, or both, might be bigger threats to #9. 28-3 with horrible losses, 29-2 and they haven't played anyone. Conference titles as well. Which if UK had either of along with that record it would be argued we're an automatic 1 seed. 6 teams with a claim to a 1, all capable of winning the whole thing. Only 4 can get them. It's strong year for college basketball. We've got one of them locked up. It's all that matter's to me.
KU has the most dubious claim, again IMO, to one of the top 8 seeds, yet there's hardly a whisper about it. Why? They aren't viewed as a threat.
KU has the most dubious claim, again IMO, to one of the top 8 seeds, yet there's hardly a whisper about it. Why? They aren't viewed as a threat.
I'm not worried but those that are don't like the idea of a team that might be the best #2 seed being in our region. We should have the worst #2.
Ah, the daily Wisconsin thread. Despite superficial similarities, each is its own unique snowflake.
Count me in as worried about Wisconsin....but mainly because we knocked them out last year and they want us. Same for UL. I guess I just want some different teams to play. And we frickin deserve that.
I will say this about Wisconsin (I refuse to call them Wisky and defile that beautiful word). I watched a replay last night of their game against OSU this past weekend and I am less concerned. That sounds odd becuse they looked great in that game winning by over 20. But OSU literally guarded Kiminsky with a 6'4" frosh. And he did a very good job for much of the game. And for the vast majority of that game OSU had no one taller than 6'8" on the floor. They usually play with three guards under 6'5". They just aren't very good. For those who hate on the SEC, I would put OSU behind four or five SEC teams (UK, UGA, TAM, LSU and Arky). Yes I think OSU is that bad.
I will say this about Wisconsin (I refuse to call them Wisky and defile that beautiful word). I watched a replay last night of their game against OSU this past weekend and I am less concerned. That sounds odd becuse they looked great in that game winning by over 20. But OSU literally guarded Kiminsky with a 6'4" frosh. And he did a very good job for much of the game. And for the vast majority of that game OSU had no one taller than 6'8" on the floor. They usually play with three guards under 6'5". They just aren't very good. For those who hate on the SEC, I would put OSU behind four or five SEC teams (UK, UGA, TAM, LSU and Arky). Yes I think OSU is that bad.
Solid analysis. Skin color? Check. Comparison to terrible team that doesn't work? Check. Generic knock on defense? Check.
SHUT IT DOWN! CELTICAT ALREADY FIGURED THIS ONE OUT!
Kentucky is better than Wisconsin, but Wisconsin could win. So hard for some people to admit.
Yep. If we had a 5 or 7 game series, I wouldn't be too worried about anyone. One and done, anything can and often does happen. The people acting like there is no risk at all that we don't win will of course be the first ones to complain that Calipari did the unthinkable and lost a game. Read something interesting the other day from Wisconsin's point of view about playing us: They'd much rather be the 1 than the 2 and play us on a Saturday with a week's preparation vs playing us on a one day turnaround due to lack of depth. Didn't really think of them as "shallow".....
If we face Wisconsin in the Final Four, I'm fine with it. It's a Final Four matchup. The thing that scares me is playing them in the Elite 8. They are one of the few teams that doesn't have to either play out of its mind or hope Kentucky plays terribly in order to beat UK.
Dismissing Wisconsin because we beat them last year and our team is better this season probably isn't very smart. For one, that game VERY easily could have went Wisconsin's way. Aaron was clutch no doubt but it's not like Kentucky dominated that game. That shot could have missed and/or Jackson's shot at the end could have sunk us at the buzzer.
Also, Wisconsin has improved themselves. Not as dramatically as Kentucky but if you don't think an entire group getting an extra year of experience doesn't lead to a better team, I don't know what to tell you. They have experience, talent, and they desperately want revenge on Kentucky.
If you can't admit you'd prefer to avoid them over Kansas or Gonzaga, you are either kidding yourself or your fan testosterone is clouding your judgment.
Dismissing Wisconsin because we beat them last year and our team is better this season probably isn't very smart. For one, that game VERY easily could have went Wisconsin's way. Aaron was clutch no doubt but it's not like Kentucky dominated that game. That shot could have missed and/or Jackson's shot at the end could have sunk us at the buzzer.
Also, Wisconsin has improved themselves. Not as dramatically as Kentucky but if you don't think an entire group getting an extra year of experience doesn't lead to a better team, I don't know what to tell you. They have experience, talent, and they desperately want revenge on Kentucky.
If you can't admit you'd prefer to avoid them over Kansas or Gonzaga, you are either kidding yourself or your fan testosterone is clouding your judgment.
Because people want something to gripe about. I've seen the sky is falling posts for Wisconsin being UK's 2 seed for weeks now. I get that people want the easiest road but you can't do a thing about it so wringing your hands and crying conspiracy does no good. I want Sunday to get here so bad so people will quit whining and we can just tip it off and hopefully win 6 games. It doesn't matter who the hell you play after the Sweet 16. The remaining 8 teams can all beat each other on any given night and it will come down to a little bit of luck as much as talent.
I don't think many are concerned about them as much as annoyed that they are going to give us the possible top #2 seed when we should get the 4th #2 seed based on our earned overall #1. Many are looking at it as an attempt to stack our bracket, whether real or imagined.