I know ND is a lightening rod here (GLOV) but this does not sound right to me.
CFP Committee already saying they will downgrade ND due to coach leaving...
- Thread starter EricStratton-RushChairman
- Start date
Circumstances change. As do the rankings. Inherent flaw of a group of people deciding who is the best 4 vs some sort of tournament with specific criteria for entrance.
Last edited:
Good. No conference championship game and a cupcake schedule. They aren't even of the same caliber as Cincinnati.
They're Cincinnati's entire basis for being ranked where they are. If ND sucks, Cincy should be where they belong - somewhere around 9 or 10.
God knows I hate ND but that isn't fair at all.
I am absolutely fine with docking them for those things, but not just because their coach left early.
I despise ND. It's not right. The coaching change should not be factored in the decision. I sure hope Gary Barta doesn't think Iowa should get in under any circumstances, including beating Michigan.
Voting a team into the playoffs is the problem. Here's my proposal for an eight team playoff.
P5: Conference Champions only.
G5: Give a bye to 1 conference champion per year on a rotating basis (every 5 years each conference has 1 champion automatically entered). The other 4 conference champion2 play 2 games total with the winners going to the playoffs.
Independents are left out. Must be in a conference to enter the football playoffs.
P5: Conference Champions only.
G5: Give a bye to 1 conference champion per year on a rotating basis (every 5 years each conference has 1 champion automatically entered). The other 4 conference champion2 play 2 games total with the winners going to the playoffs.
Independents are left out. Must be in a conference to enter the football playoffs.
I don't think ND sucks, but much like Cincy, they both have schedules that deem being undefeated for entrance into the playoff.
A hypothetical undefeated ND would be ranked #2 today with their best win being a 1 loss Cincy. And nobody would argue it, outside of the absolute "Domers suck" crowd.
Why is Cincy being punished for not being a blue blood?
A hypothetical undefeated ND would be ranked #2 today with their best win being a 1 loss Cincy. And nobody would argue it, outside of the absolute "Domers suck" crowd.
Why is Cincy being punished for not being a blue blood?
This is just another factor in the downfall of CFB. In no way should players be punished if their coach leaves them in the lurch before the playoff selections are made. If the playoff committee wants to downgrade Notre Dame because they played a poor schedule or because they don't have to play a conference championship game, that is fair. But downgrading them because their coach decides he loves a voodoo woman in Baton Rouge is BS. I suspect this is a prelude to making sure both Bama and Georgia are selected for the playoff.
At a minimum, this sport needs to change the recruiting signing day back to early February. That might delay the coaching carousel a few weeks, avoid disruptions to the actual CFB season, and slightly improve the integrity of the playoff selection. The next thing they need to do is increase the playoff to 8 to 12 teams, or they are going to lose a generation of fans before they know it.
At a minimum, this sport needs to change the recruiting signing day back to early February. That might delay the coaching carousel a few weeks, avoid disruptions to the actual CFB season, and slightly improve the integrity of the playoff selection. The next thing they need to do is increase the playoff to 8 to 12 teams, or they are going to lose a generation of fans before they know it.
Because of their schedule:
They beat....(SOS - 88)
Miami, OH
Murray State
Indiana
Notre Dame
Temple
UCF
Navy
Tulane
Tulsa
South Florida
SMU
East Carolina
Notre Dame's schedule (SOS - 31)
Florida State - W
Toledo - W
Purdue - W
Cincinnati - L
Wisconsin - W
Virginia Tech - W
North Carolina - W
USC - W
Navy - W
Virginia - W
Georgia Tech - W
Stanford - W
Last edited:
It's not ND's fault that USC, Stanford, North Carolina, and Florida State are all down. In any given year, Murray State, Tulsa, and pretty much every team on Cincinnati's schedule are not a threat. To anyone. Same can't be said for teams on ND's schedule.
Then kick Cincy out of the equation. If scheduling ND and Indiana then beating them while running through (so far) the rest of the schedule isn't good enough, get rid of ranking them and including them.
While ND can't help that every name team on the slate was down, that doesn't mean they get credit for beating crappy teams with preseason hype names. Cincy and Toledo are 2 of the teams with the best record they played.
just want to point out that if we had nd's schedule this year, we would have probably the same record we do now. just keeping it in perspective- they're a heck of a lot better than we are.
Most P5 teams on ND's schedule would beat every one of Cincinnati's opponents, except probably ND. Does Cincinnati get more credit for getting up for one game against a good opponent than ND does for having to play a tougher schedule (and losing only one game)? Cincy's average opponent ranking is 81.80; ND's is 51.30. Indiana had the toughest schedule in the country and their average opponent ranking was 37.30.
With me, slightly. With you, no. The committee, advantage Cincy. Again, let's separate P5 from the rest, condense down to 4 conferences or bulk up to 8. CCG is the first round of the playoffs.
I get it. Cincy schedule sucks. They added good teams. One ended up crappy. The other only lost to them.
Big 10 East was tough and they got 1, 3, and 4 in the crossover plus undefeated Cincy. That's what I see in that schedule rating.
Ok. Should ND be docked for their coach leaving? I think that's the issue. My answer is no.
Will Vegas factor in the departure on their lines?
If the starting safety with top 10 projections breaks his leg, it changes the complexion of the team. The coach resigning does too.
If this were Penn State ranked 6th with an outside shot, I'm definitely saying no. But I'm a fan.
I guess my issue with ND is this: I've gotta go below the top 10 before I find a team I think they would beat. And I hold it against them.
On the same token, I'd probably favor Alabama over everyone, but UGA. And yet, if they lose this weekend, piss em out.
This is why human factor sucks in determining the best 4teams.
Similar to GLOV I always root against Notre Dame...that said, if they are left out it should be because of their on-field performance / strength of schedule (or lack thereof) and should have ZERO to do with a departing coach.
ND brought this on themselves without being in a conference, they belong in the Big 10 and sliding into the championship without a championship game doesn't cut it. To ND's defense the group of 5 talk into the CFB
playoffs shouldn't be even entertained. That era has to come to an end with Cincy, BYU, UCF, and Houston
seeing the writing on the wall.
On the same note conferences do the same dodge ball game . Ohio St. should be playing Iowa and Wisconsin cross rivalry every year, until their record slips. The same goes for Alabama , they should play Georgia and Florida every year until their record falls off. While Georgia should be playing the top two cross division rivals every year. Schedules should be made by records and balanced every 2 years.
playoffs shouldn't be even entertained. That era has to come to an end with Cincy, BYU, UCF, and Houston
seeing the writing on the wall.
On the same note conferences do the same dodge ball game . Ohio St. should be playing Iowa and Wisconsin cross rivalry every year, until their record slips. The same goes for Alabama , they should play Georgia and Florida every year until their record falls off. While Georgia should be playing the top two cross division rivals every year. Schedules should be made by records and balanced every 2 years.
CFP has already noted conference championship title (or even participation) isn’t necessary to get in - see OSU in 2016.
The NFL is built to reward the worst teams with the easiest schedule and the best with the toughest.
The NFL does a really good job at doing its best to achieve competitive balance, and it makes for a more compelling sport. CFB is doing the opposite, because there is no cohesive leadership. The conference with the best leadership (SEC) is currently running roughshod over the rest of CFB, to the overall detriment of the product.
That's my beef with those "holier than thou" a-holes. They've basically said they're too good to join a conference and they keep all of their bowl and television money without sharing it. That's fine but just don't expect the same treatment from those you're snubbing when they don't even have to play a pressure packed conference championship game to possibly qualify for the Playoffs. I actually hate them far worse than I hate both UM and OSU and that's really saying something
That doesn’t sound balanced to me. It reads like rigging a system in an attempt to purposefully have different teams as a contender. No thanks.
I think schedules should be about as equal as possible and reward those who have had success. Dislike Michigan all you want, but they’ve put themselves in a position that PSU hasn’t been in in this CFP era. That’s on PSU, not the system.
As for the OP idea, add me to those who think it would be unfair to punish ND because of their coach situation.
The hilarious aspect is that the people responsible for running college football are supposedly the most educated members of our society. So much for that classroom proficiency and common sense linkage.
That Cincinnati schedule should prevent them from being in the playoff. That’s beyond weak.
Since 2007 PSU has played Iowa 12 times, Michigan about 6, and Ohio St. less than 5 , how equal is that ?
On the OP no ND doesn't belong, no championship game gamble , no championship . I'll stand by that. ND is the king of evaders.
Yep! King of the evaders for sure!!
The B1G scheduling isn’t balanced and could use some improvement. But forcing all the top teams to play each other would only increase the degree of it being unbalanced.
Prior to this season, since PSU has joined the conference, Michigan had the cumulative toughest overall conference schedule and our boys were 2nd. Haven’t looked at numbers with this year, but doubt things have changed much.
The subject the OP mentioned was only related to the coaching situation and ranking. It has nothing to do with a CCG.