Clemson has knocked down Butch Jones' fence around Tennessee.

[Robcatt24]

Got a commitment today from 5 star WR Tee Higgins out of Oak Ridge.

Clemson already has commitments from WR Amari Rodgers and RB Cordarrian Richardson, both big time recruits.

Rodgers is from right there in Knoxville, and oh yeah, his dad is none other than Tee Martin.

Clemson earlier had flipped QB Hunter Johnson from the Vols.

Yeah, UT owns us. But I take immense pleasure in any misery that befalls Tennessee.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Got a commitment today from 5 star WR Tee Higgins out of Oak Ridge.

Clemson already has commitments from WR Amari Rodgers and RB Cordarrian Richardson, both big time recruits.

Rodgers is from right there in Knoxville, and oh yeah, his dad is none other than Tee Martin.

Clemson earlier had flipped QB Hunter Johnson from the Vols.

Yeah, UT owns us. But I take immense pleasure in any misery that befalls Tennessee.

There goes his chance at TN's Mr Football. Oak Ridge HS, despite having TONS of money thrown it's way from the defense plants, has a long history of producing non-qualifiers. We'll see how this one turns out.

 

[Deeeefense]

Although UT's 2017 class is ranked a lot higher than ours, their average star/player is lower than ours (3.06 vs. 3.1).

So far they don't look to be putting together the type of classes Jones has had recently - could be their off-field issues are having an effect, and they also are getting fairly crowded at a lot of positions.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Although UT's 2017 class is ranked a lot higher than ours, their average star/player is lower than ours (3.06 vs. 3.1).

So far they don't look to be putting together the type of classes Jones has had recently - could be their off-field issues are having an effect, and they also are getting fairly crowded at a lot of positions.

Don't see how they could be crowded, Botch ran off 15+ players after the '15 season. Brought'em in tried them out thru fall/spring them cut them. On the bright side, they've apparently had no rapes since Feb.

 

[JDHoss]

No idea about his academics, but Higgins is a STUD athlete. Haven't seen him in football, but on the basketball court he is a manchild. Rodgers is really good too. The Knoxville area produces some pretty decent talent.

 

[Deeeefense]

Don't see how they could be crowded, Botch ran off 15+ players after the '15 season. Brought'em in tried them out thru fall/spring them cut them..

good point, maybe that's a factor as well.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Although UT's 2017 class is ranked a lot higher than ours, their average star/player is lower than ours (3.06 vs. 3.1).

So far they don't look to be putting together the type of classes Jones has had recently - could be their off-field issues are having an effect, and they also are getting fairly crowded at a lot of positions.

Jones has never put a vertical passing game on the field, Dobbs is a very good college qb and a perfect fit for what Butch does, would be for Gus and AU too, but he hasn't shown any kind of consistently in the vertical game with elite WR commits flocking there. They don't care anything about catching WR screens, curls or quick slants into a S. It looks like that has caught up to them, and they couldn't convince the local guys to come..

They are getting killed for the instate kids and its one of the strongest in recent years for Tennessee. If the RB ends up at OM, Chandler I believe is his name and Stevens ends up with us or Clemson, they will have struck out on instate kids.

 

[TACcat7]

I agree with the above poster about Knoxville area talent. Cobb was from the Alcoa area, and he's in the NFL. I remember playing against some really good players during my AAU days down in Knoxville. Lexington has a lot of talent too. Sadly, Lexington doesn't have near the level of coaches they possess down there in either basketball or football.

 

[KingsportKat]

Got a commitment today from 5 star WR Tee Higgins out of Oak Ridge.

Clemson already has commitments from WR Amari Rodgers and RB Cordarrian Richardson, both big time recruits.

Rodgers is from right there in Knoxville, and oh yeah, his dad is none other than Tee Martin.

Clemson earlier had flipped QB Hunter Johnson from the Vols.

Yeah, UT owns us. But I take immense pleasure in any misery that befalls Tennessee.

Ain't schadenfreude fun?

 

[Tennessee Jones]

Jones has never put a vertical passing game on the field, Dobbs is a very good college qb and a perfect fit for what Butch does, would be for Gus and AU too, but he hasn't shown any kind of consistently in the vertical game with elite WR commits flocking there. They don't care anything about catching WR screens, curls or quick slants into a S. It looks like that has caught up to them, and they couldn't convince the local guys to come..

They are getting killed for the instate kids and its one of the strongest in recent years for Tennessee. If the RB ends up at OM, Chandler I believe is his name and Stevens ends up with us or Clemson, they will have struck out on instate kids.

Butch had this guy at Central Michigan who ended up being a Heisman finalist. He put up some big numbers through the air. Butch will throw it a lot when he has the right qb.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...KevI-ymOH77-SmfYQ&sig2=vgJpWESvKiSxr6zumLLM4Q

Our problem has been the lack of consistent pass protection and Dobbs being inaccurate throwing the ball downfield in a vertical pass game. Our offense will change once Dobbs is gone after this year. Butch is molding the offense using our two strong runners and doing what Dobbs does best. Both Quenton Dormady (Dobb's backup) and incoming freshman Jarrett Guarantano can sling it. Guarantano, who was a 4 star qb out of New Jersey, is faster and a stronger runner than Dobbs too.

We're not going to strike out on talent within our state. We have commitments from 4* DE LaTrell Bumphus, 4* DB Maleik Gray, and high 3* DB Theo Jackson (will be a 4* soon). 3* WR Princeton Fant would be a 4* if he wasn't recovering from an injury. He'll likely redshirt and come back full speed in a year. He's tall, physical, and rangy. If we don't get Mississippi's Cam Akers, we'll land Ty Chandler, and 4* offensive linemen Obinna Eze and Trey Smith. We'll also land high 3 star WR Javonta Payton from Nashville who could end up shooting up the rankings late. Don't forget about RB Chase Hayden either. He's from a Memphis suburb and is the son of former Vol RB great, Aaron Hayden. I hate losing Tee Higgins, but Butch will close strong in our state. Don't completely rule out Butch flipping Higgins back either.

 

[TheBigBlueSpectacle]

My brother in law is an assistant at oak ridge. He's been saying Clemson for this kid all along, and I got the sense he didn't like UT at all and got sick of the pressure to stay home

 

[Tennessee Jones]

My brother in law is an assistant at oak ridge. He's been saying Clemson for this kid all along, and I got the sense he didn't like UT at all and got sick of the pressure to stay home

Not true at all. He visits UT all the time. What's interesting is Dabo Swinney has a rule that you can't take any other visits once you commit to him and Clemson. Tee likes UT and has friends who are committed there. It could get interesting if Tee decides to come to UT between now and NSD and if we show a lot of life in the passing game. Butch isn't going to give up on him.

Remember our 5* true freshman LT Drew Richmond of Memphis was committed several months to Ole Miss before Butch flipped him hours before national signing day.

 

[Greasy Creak Mafia]

I have it on the highest authority that this kid wouldn't consider UT because of Butch Jones and his douche baggary , and out of protest for the treatment of women that has plagued the program. Everything from rape to forced tee bagging is overlooked . While Dabo is a complete gentleman and instilled this in his players while playing for NC,s.

 

[TheBigBlueSpectacle]

Not true at all. He visits UT all the time. What's interesting is Dabo Swinney has a rule that you can't take any other visits once you commit to him and Clemson. Tee likes UT and has friends who are committed there. It could get interesting if Tee decides to come to UT between now and NSD and if we show a lot of life in the passing game. Butch isn't going to give up on him.

Remember our 5* true freshman LT Drew Richmond of Memphis was committed several months to Ole Miss before Butch flipped him hours before national signing day.

Just the impression my in law gets but this is going to be his first year there

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Butch had this guy at Central Michigan who ended up being a Heisman finalist. He put up some big numbers through the air. Butch will throw it a lot when he has the right qb.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...KevI-ymOH77-SmfYQ&sig2=vgJpWESvKiSxr6zumLLM4Q

Our problem has been the lack of consistent pass protection and Dobbs being inaccurate throwing the ball downfield in a vertical pass game. Our offense will change once Dobbs is gone after this year. Butch is molding the offense using our two strong runners and doing what Dobbs does best. Both Quenton Dormady (Dobb's backup) and incoming freshman Jarrett Guarantano can sling it. Guarantano, who was a 4 star qb out of New Jersey, is faster and a stronger runner than Dobbs too.

We're not going to strike out on talent within our state. We have commitments from 4* DE LaTrell Bumphus, 4* DB Maleik Gray, and high 3* DB Theo Jackson (will be a 4* soon). 3* WR Princeton Fant would be a 4* if he wasn't recovering from an injury. He'll likely redshirt and come back full speed in a year. He's tall, physical, and rangy. If we don't get Mississippi's Cam Akers, we'll land Ty Chandler, and 4* offensive linemen Obinna Eze and Trey Smith. We'll also land high 3 star WR Javonta Payton from Nashville who could end up shooting up the rankings late. Don't forget about RB Chase Hayden either. He's from a Memphis suburb and is the son of former Vol RB great, Aaron Hayden. I hate losing Tee Higgins, but Butch will close strong in our state. Don't completely rule out Butch flipping Higgins back either.

No idea who the kid from Michigan was, but being success playing directional schools in the north is alot like playing directional schools in the south, a decent player can look pretty good against him.

OK, you are signing some decent players from Tennessee, but you are basically striking out on the top talent, missed on Tee Martin's son, I know that hurts worse than just missing on a 5*, likely going to miss on Stevensm Akers is loving him some tOSU and Urban right now, UT may not be in his top 3, Things do look good for Chandler right now, but expect OM to come hard if they miss on Akers, a late visit to OM equals, well you know what they do. About 6 teams have Trey Smith in their final predictions including OM so a little early to add him, Hayden is high someone else right now.

Maybe its not true, but it seems like this is a good year for instate kids in Tennessee, and the top 3-5 are looking to leave. This happens every year in Georgia, other programs come in and target kids, many leave, it sucks. Bad year in Georgia for RB, DL, decent year of OL, good year for LB and QB and a great year for DB. Lacounte, Terrell, Gibbs, Pool, the 2 Williams, McKinney and we are likely to sign 4 of them, maybe 5. It sucks when instate kids leave, Georgia and Florida are about the only 2 states in the south that has that happen because the states produce so many kids. But still sucks when a good one leaves.

 

[lex cath]

I have it on the highest authority that this kid wouldn't consider UT because of Butch Jones and his douche baggary , and out of protest for the treatment of women that has plagued the program. Everything from rape to forced tee bagging is overlooked . While Dabo is a complete gentleman and instilled this in his players while playing for NC,s.

It's not everyday you read "forced tea bagging"

 

[StubbornPenny]

I used to dismiss Clemson as a paper tiger, but I don't think there's a coach - including Saban - I'd pick at this point for the future of my program besides Dabo Swinney. Just so good, so young, and recruits well.

 

[Cazwheel1072]

In a cruel twist of irony, Clemson has more or less become what USCjr thought they were consistently going to be once they were able to sign up the Ole Ball Coach.

Not so sure on the coaching per se, but Swinny can flat recruit. He has not only knocked down the fence, but is currently dropping a deuce in Butch Jones' front yard...

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I used to dismiss Clemson as a paper tiger, but I don't think there's a coach - including Saban - I'd pick at this point for the future of my program besides Dabo Swinney. Just so good, so young, and recruits well.

I understand Clemson played very well in the playoffs, but lets not forget they lost. CU has 1 ACC championship in a row, their first in awhile. They are the hot team right now. A few years back, Gus Malzahn was the hot guy, first year OC with a new head coach and actually won the NC, got a head coaching gig, came back to AU and played for the NC that year, and on the verge of being fired 3 years later. Gus has acomplished more than Dabo has. Dabo is a great recruiter, like Gus he happened to catch a qb who is great in the offense he runs, Gus didn't have another Cam or Nick Marshall lined up when they left, lets see if Dabo needs another Watson before proclaiming him the next GOAT. I don't think he can coach a lick, what he can do is surround himself with great coordinaters, pay them more than they would make at a small school and hope they stay.

 

[Mr Schwump]

I understand Clemson played very well in the playoffs, but lets not forget they lost. CU has 1 ACC championship in a row, their first in awhile. They are the hot team right now. A few years back, Gus Malzahn was the hot guy, first year OC with a new head coach and actually won the NC, got a head coaching gig, came back to AU and played for the NC that year, and on the verge of being fired 3 years later. Gus has acomplished more than Dabo has. Dabo is a great recruiter, like Gus he happened to catch a qb who is great in the offense he runs, Gus didn't have another Cam or Nick Marshall lined up when they left, lets see if Dabo needs another Watson before proclaiming him the next GOAT. I don't think he can coach a lick, what he can do is surround himself with great coordinaters, pay them more than they would make at a small school and hope they stay.

Re Auburn, I'll be interested to see what becomes of their OC, Lashlee, if/when Malzahn is canned. He was a red hot commodity a couple of years ago, don't hear much about him now.

 

[Deeeefense]

I used to dismiss Clemson as a paper tiger, but I don't think there's a coach - including Saban - I'd pick at this point for the future of my program besides Dabo Swinney. Just so good, so young, and recruits well.

And oddly enough he was sort of an afterthought when they tapped him for head coach, as an assistant. Most people thought at the time he would just be an interim coach. Just goes to show, you never know where you going to strike gold.

 

[StubbornPenny]

I understand Clemson played very well in the playoffs, but lets not forget they lost. CU has 1 ACC championship in a row, their first in awhile. They are the hot team right now. A few years back, Gus Malzahn was the hot guy, first year OC with a new head coach and actually won the NC, got a head coaching gig, came back to AU and played for the NC that year, and on the verge of being fired 3 years later. Gus has acomplished more than Dabo has. Dabo is a great recruiter, like Gus he happened to catch a qb who is great in the offense he runs, Gus didn't have another Cam or Nick Marshall lined up when they left, lets see if Dabo needs another Watson before proclaiming him the next GOAT. I don't think he can coach a lick, what he can do is surround himself with great coordinaters, pay them more than they would make at a small school and hope they stay.

I don't mind that he lost: he's 46. The reason I'd take him over Saban is that Saban is much older (64) and father time gets us all. Swinney could just as easily coach another 20 years. I'd just have to disagree that he can't coach - he can coach a heck of a lot better than 95% of coaches out there.

 

[CB3UK]

It's also possible that the kid grew up around the ugliest uniforms around in Tennessee and thought that God awful purple and orange at Clemson was about the only way he could get any uglier.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't mind that he lost: he's 46. The reason I'd take him over Saban is that Saban is much older (64) and father time gets us all. Swinney could just as easily coach another 20 years. I'd just have to disagree that he can't coach - he can coach a heck of a lot better than 95% of coaches out there.

Fair enough, I think he caught lightening in a bottle with Watson. I think Harbaugh is a little off his rocker, but the guy is an excellent coach, he turned Stanford from an also ran into a power and they have been able to maintain if not build off of him, he put the 49ers in the SuperBowl. If not for a fluke play and a punter who had a brain fart they would have beaten MSU his first season. He is upgrading Michigan's recruiting and won't be shocked if he runs Urban out of his second conference.

Re Auburn, I'll be interested to see what becomes of their OC, Lashlee, if/when Malzahn is canned. He was a red hot commodity a couple of years ago, don't hear much about him now.

He was a hot name, I don't know how much input he has with Gus's offense because it is the offense he came up with coaching HS ball in Arkansas, If he had Watson people would be talking about how great he was instead of how hot his seat is. As for as Lashlee goes, working under Gus has probably cooled him off some, especially the last couple of years. They hired Steele away for LSU, which to me is quite a downgrade from Muschamp. AU could be better offensively, but it was a Steele led defense that gave up 70 in a BCS game as DC for Clemson. But I think he is a spread guy, someone looking to run some spread will give him another shot.

 

[EnPassant]

Yeah Urban has won 3 of the last 10 National titles - with a year off - he's really a guy to get run out of a conference. Lol.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Yeah Urban has won 3 of the last 10 National titles - with a year off - he's really a guy to get run out of a conference. Lol.

He was a picture of health until Saban beat him and Tim, then panic attacks hit, I guess you believe all of that right Arc?

 

[EnPassant]

He was a picture of health until Saban beat him and Tim, then panic attacks hit, I guess you believe all of that right Arc?

I know he's won 3 national titles in his last 9 years of coaching. His last games against both Saban and Harbaugh were OSU routs - but yeah he's not that good of a coach and is afraid. Makes good sense, is sound logic.

 

[WildcatofNati]

I know he's won 3 national titles in his last 9 years of coaching. His last games against both Saban and Harbaugh were OSU routs - but yeah he's not that good of a coach and is afraid. Makes good sense, is sound logic.

A 7 point margin is now a rout?

 

[Tennessee Jones]

He was a picture of health until Saban beat him and Tim, then panic attacks hit, I guess you believe all of that right Arc?

Urban reminds me of those you play online football against on XBox who disconnect and leave when they start losing.

 

[SC-Cope]

Dabo can coach based on what? Can he recruit? Yes. Can he get great coordinators? Yes. But from an actual coaching perspective nobody knows what he can do because he went straight from WR coach to head coach.

I think he has learned to do what he does best (recruit) and then get out of the way and let the other coaches do everything else.

 

[EnPassant]

A 7 point margin is now a rout?

When OSU scored with 3:30 left to go up by 14 and at the time had a 547-302 advantage in total yards it sure was a clear and convincing win.

But you are correct - not a rout. A clear butt kicking though.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I know he's won 3 national titles in his last 9 years of coaching. His last games against both Saban and Harbaugh were OSU routs - but yeah he's not that good of a coach and is afraid. Makes good sense, is sound logic.

Did he not leave the SEC after Saban beat him and Tebow for his supposed health reasons and was an announcer. Now did that happen or not? He had no health issues until Saban and Bama beat him.

 

[rjrockcocks_rivals19905]

Clemson is a decent team right now and that is coming from a South Carolina fan. Now they get a lot of easy variables such as playing 8 high school games a year that almost any team in the sec would beat. He also has a QB who is absolutely dangerous on his feet. Now throwing the football not so much. But Clemson got lucky as hell to find Watson and after he leaves I'm sorry but I'd put money on them falling off. Dabo isn't nothing but a cheerleader. He has a good DC and a hell of a QB after that he has under performed receivers. Wayne gallman is gone after this year and they lost ALOT on the defense. I don't see them going undefeated again but again only time will tell.

 

[Tennessee Jones]

Clemson is a decent team right now and that is coming from a South Carolina fan. Now they get a lot of easy variables such as playing 8 high school games a year that almost any team in the sec would beat. He also has a QB who is absolutely dangerous on his feet. Now throwing the football not so much. But Clemson got lucky as hell to find Watson and after he leaves I'm sorry but I'd put money on them falling off. Dabo isn't nothing but a cheerleader. He has a good DC and a hell of a QB after that he has under performed receivers. Wayne gallman is gone after this year and they lost ALOT on the defense. I don't see them going undefeated again but again only time will tell.

Like the Gamecock fanbase, the Vol fanbase is quickly beginning to despise Clemson. Only the mountains of NC separate the Clemson campus from the border with Tennessee, so I see Dabo trying to poach our state's talent as long as he's coaching there.