Coach Stoops was right

[willievic]

I think Coach Stoops was right about one thing in his radio show. For fans to criticize our players is a disgrace. If the player is not TRYING to do the job, that's a different story, but the coaches need to take care of that player. To publicly criticize a player on here is WRONG. These are kids, the coaches asked them to come here, and their going to make mistakes. I know some of them aren't great players, but our coaches must have thought they were good enough to play at UK.
One of the truly great assets of Coach Calipari is, he doesn't throw his players "Under the bus." I'm with Coach Stoops, we are adults, and as far as the players are concerned, we should treat them with respect. If we want to criticize Coach Stoops, and his staff, that's different. They knew criticism goes with the job, when your not getting the job done, and their getting paid a lot of money to get the job done.
If I was a recruit, and I saw all the negative **** being talked about a player, I wouldn't come to UK, WOULD YOU? So think, before you type something negative about a player. Do you really want to hurt UK?

 

[oboroCATfan]

I will give Stoops one thing, he has gotten a huge group of people to ignore his deficiencies and, instead, jump on the blame the fans bandwagon. Congrats on forcing that turn of events coach!

 

[BBBLazing]

If I was a player and read this board, I would not come to Kentucky. The new buzz word is "toxic" and it is true.

 

[MulletCat]

another thread on this subject [sick]

 

[oboroCATfan]

If I was a player and read this board, I would not come to Kentucky. The new buzz word is "toxic" and it is true.

The lack of player development would be a bigger issue for most recruits.

 

[billoliver40]

Seem to remember Cal letting questions point guard take all the heat, but irrelevant. I agree that lack of effort is a fair talking point as far as a player is concerned. That's one reason I don't criticize Johnson much...he wasn't one of the guys that we thought were the chosen that would get us over the hump,and honestly I think the whole team has played together better for him than any of quarterback I've seen since the Brooks days. I certainly think the O line has come together better.
Boom and his fumbling issues has me scratching my head as well.

The coaches though....they're the adults. They get paid real life well to do a job and the product on the field is what the results of that job is.
Yes....they work with kids. So do three hundred or so other head coaches, and they get talked about too. The talking heads were saying the game had passed Saban by after the Old Miss game last year.

Talking trash about the players though....yeah, I go along with that's not a great past time.

 

[BBBLazing]

I can disagree and call you all idiots on here and quite honestly don't care what you call me or players on here. Coaches, players and their parents shouldn't read this. But, any fan that contacts a player or their parent directly, through twitter, facebook or text, is an absolute idiot. Keep it among the fans. Fans have no business communicating with players, coaches (outside of planned call in shows where fan interaction is invited) or either players or coaches families. If you are that in to it, you have a problem.

 

[morgousky]

If I was a player and read this board, I would not come to Kentucky. The new buzz word is "toxic" and it is true.

Oh god. Please Janice.

Try reading the USC, Auburn, and LSU boards right now. If that would make you run from a program I submit to you one thing. You wouldn't be able to play anywhere. There might be a good book club for you.

 

[morgousky]

What is it with some of you. Stoops is trying to deflect his issues and create an "us against the world" perception. It's fine to do that, but some of you don't have to go so hard on it.

And we have no "kids" in this program. This is SEC football, one step from the NFL. Every player on This roster can be sent into battle to die. Stop the coddling nonsense.

The SEC and it's fans are brutal, because it's the nature of the beast. LSU fans go completely apeshit. Hell, check out the USC boards right now. They are pitiful.

Some of you need to seriously sac up. I don't contact players because I don't like the cesspool known as Twitter and Facebook. I choose to ignore grown men acting like 10 year old little girls. If you're on those platforms, you get what you get. Stop crying, delete people, ignore people, or whatever. But get a life.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

at what point is BBBlazing going to be banned for pushing an anti UK fan agenda?

 

[dallasg23]

As a fan I reserve the right to criticize school leadership, the coaches and players any time I chose. I'd never contact them directly that's just nonsense. But if a guy isn't very good. I will say he isn't very good.

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

at what point is BBBlazing going to be banned for pushing an anti UK fan agenda?

My guess would be post purple chimpanzee evacuating the nether regions of one I.P. Freely.

 

[irishcat1965]

No player should be contacted in any fashion. Ever. As far as evaluating a player's performance on this forum, I think that is fair game. As far as the coaches, they deserve all heat they get on here as long as it doesn't involve rumors of personal conduct away from the football field. If Stoops doesn't like a toxic atmosphere, coach the team to a winning season and go to a bowl. After a terrible start, the Cats are 3-1 and 2-1 in the SEC. Hopefully, they are gaining some momentum. We will know after the next two games.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Funny how Cal says "I cant hide you" ............. he understands the nature of the beast. Probably one of the many reasons he's great at his sport. Stoops on the other hand............

 

[Jared1985]

give me a break.

Football seems to be only only sport in the world where the players are deemed to be off limits. From not only fans....but coaches...in regards to being talked about in the media.

Its a joke. If your playing like garbage, someone should tell you your playing like garbage.

If your "widdle feelings" get hurt...so be it. Try to muster up an effort that doesn't look like boiled **** and then you can say you don't deserve to be criticized.

Otherwise, shut up and quit acting like an idiot and try to play something that resembles football and not look like we couldn't stop a team full of kids with spina bifida.

You got a free ride to a major university because you can play ball. While other kids are choking on student loans trying to study to become something or someone who might actually add something to society that actually matters.

So pardon me if I don't get all choked up and teary eyed over people saying mean things to you.

 

[thepip]

I can disagree and call you all idiots on here and quite honestly don't care what you call me or players on here. Coaches, players and their parents shouldn't read this. But, any fan that contacts a player or their parent directly, through twitter, facebook or text, is an absolute idiot. Keep it among the fans. Fans have no business communicating with players, coaches (outside of planned call in shows where fan interaction is invited) or either players or coaches families. If you are that in to it, you have a problem.

Anyone that says, "I don't care what you think of me" cares what you think about me!...Shouting it from the rooftop.

 

[morgousky]

give me a break.

Football seems to be only only sport in the world where the players are deemed to be off limits. From not only fans....but coaches...in regards to being talked about in the media.

Its a joke. If your playing like garbage, someone should tell you your playing like garbage.

If your "widdle feelings" get hurt...so be it. Try to muster up an effort that doesn't look like boiled **** and then you can say you don't deserve to be criticized.

Otherwise, shut up and quit acting like an idiot and try to play something that resembles football and not look like we couldn't stop a team full of kids with spina bifida.

You got a free ride to a major university because you can play ball. While other kids are choking on student loans trying to study to become something or someone who might actually add something to society that actually matters.

So pardon me if I don't get all choked up and teary eyed over people saying mean things to you.

I've said this for years now. High level collegiate athletes (not all) are absolutely some of the most soft and coddled people in the world today. If they honestly knew what it's like for a regular student they'd just shut it. Imagine a world where you never have to screw with admissions, financial aid offices, loan departments, and filling out applications for employment while having free tutors daily, coaches to lead you to a major, and never having to figure out everything on your own. I feel zero sympathy for any of them over some stupid mean tweets.

You won't find a player like Bledsoe complaining, I'll tell ya that.

And next they want to be paid. This is why so many educators and regular students hate athletes. And this is coming from a former collegiate athlete. I was the same way once until I grew up and realized how lucky we were. And I paid for most of my education.

What a world

 

[Beatle Bum]

The lack of player development would be a bigger issue for most recruits.

You have to be football ignorant or blind not to see player development. This criticism is a myth. The perpetuation of that myth is ridiculous and probably motivated by those who want to see recruits go elsewhere.

 

[NCukcat62]

If I was a player and read this board, I would not come to Kentucky. The new buzz word is "toxic" and it is true.

Sorry I went to uk and have every right to criticize the coaches. The truth is that stoops is full of crap. Yeah some of fans criticize players but vast majority direct it towards the coaches. The coaches are awful as a whole. Stoops is playing this woe is me party just to save his butt. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[51stFan]

Stoops needs to quit whining and get to work. Putting a competitive product on the field. Don't lose to S. Miss at home and quit getting waxed by the middle of the league and people will shut up. Winning 7-8 games a year will stop all of it. Consider himself lucky it doesnt require ten here.

 

[JW PRPcoach]

EVERY SCHOOL in the NCAA has these same boards
Except for about 3-6 schools a year - these same threads take place
Its a way for us die hard fans to discuss, vent, criticize and praise what we see
There is very little that could happen on here that would really change what goes on "in the program"

 

[sambowieshin_rivals]

I have the right to criticize coaches and players performance on a sports message board as much as I please and then some........it is expected to some extent really.
I do not have the right to contact those players and coaches thru their private social media sites to personally insult them or spread false accusations.
Having a life and a job takes away all my desire to engage or insult teenagers personally via cyberspace. It is pathetic really.

 

[Mike-D]

We need a new thread on this everyday, please. More updates from the same rehashes.

 

[willievic]

Isn't this board a lot of fun? LOL

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[sluggercatfan]

The lack of player development would be a bigger issue for most recruits.

Would be =should be...Stoops knows the problem and is mastering the art of deflection .

 

[allabouttheUK]

What is it with some of you. Stoops is trying to deflect his issues and create an "us against the world" perception. It's fine to do that, but some of you don't have to go so hard on it.

And we have no "kids" in this program. This is SEC football, one step from the NFL. Every player on This roster can be sent into battle to die. Stop the coddling nonsense.

The SEC and it's fans are brutal, because it's the nature of the beast. LSU fans go completely apeshit. Hell, check out the USC boards right now. They are pitiful.

Some of you need to seriously sac up. I don't contact players because I don't like the cesspool known as Twitter and Facebook. I choose to ignore grown men acting like 10 year old little girls. If you're on those platforms, you get what you get. Stop crying, delete people, ignore people, or whatever. But get a life.

It's COLLEGE football, not the military.

I agree with your last paragraph completely.

 

[sluggercatfan]

You have to be football ignorant or blind not to see player development. This criticism is a myth. The perpetuation of that myth is ridiculous and problem motivated by those who want to see recruits go elsewhere.

Examples,please?

 

[uofkFTW18]

Examples,please?

This year alone:

Jordan Jones, Naquez Pringle, Mike Edwards, Bunchy Stallings, Logan Stenberg, Josh Allen, Derrick Baity, Kyle Meadows, Tavin Richardson, Eli Brown, CJ Conrad, Denzel Ware, etc...

And those are just some examples this year. Saying that this staff never develops players is absolutely false.

 

[TBCat]

I think Coach Stoops was right about one thing in his radio show. For fans to criticize our players is a disgrace. If the player is not TRYING to do the job, that's a different story, but the coaches need to take care of that player. To publicly criticize a player on here is WRONG. These are kids, the coaches asked them to come here, and their going to make mistakes. I know some of them aren't great players, but our coaches must have thought they were good enough to play at UK.
One of the truly great assets of Coach Calipari is, he doesn't throw his players "Under the bus." I'm with Coach Stoops, we are adults, and as far as the players are concerned, we should treat them with respect. If we want to criticize Coach Stoops, and his staff, that's different. They knew criticism goes with the job, when your not getting the job done, and their getting paid a lot of money to get the job done.
If I was a recruit, and I saw all the negative **** being talked about a player, I wouldn't come to UK, WOULD YOU? So think, before you type something negative about a player. Do you really want to hurt UK?

Stoops was not correct. There is very little being directed at players the criticism is directed at Stoops. And his first comment the one the started this storm was initially made in the locker room after the USM lost. Neither he nor his players had time to see any negative reaction at the point he brought it up to the team. His comments after Saturday's win was just rehashing what he told the players in the locker room loss. So it has nothing to do with the rumors or any of the other stuff people want to bring in to it.

More importantly it was after a win. Why bring it up now. Why didn't he start this crap after the loss to Alabama?

 

[allabouttheUK]

At this point I can say one thing with certainty. Social media and the internet have given way to many people a voice that they shouldn't have. This inflated sense of self by so many people who never had a voice before but feel that they should have one know because they can read and type...pathetic. This thread and some others are just a microcosm of what is wrong with society in the technological age we live in today.

Just because you say it's so doesn't mean it's so.

Just because you have a platform to say whatever pops in your head doesn't mean you should.

Nobodies opinion matters and the sooner everyone realizes that, the better. None of us are any more important than we were before these social media outlets existed.

Lastly, it's football, not life or death.

 

[Deeeefense]

Sorry I went to uk and have every right to criticize the coaches. The truth is that stoops is full of crap. Yeah some of fans criticize players but vast majority direct it towards the coaches. The coaches are awful as a whole. Stoops is playing this woe is me party just to save his butt. If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

I don't believe you read his statement or you would realize you're objecting to something he didn't say, in fact he said the opposite concerning criticism of coaches including himself. What he expressed was that toxic negative comments directed at players does not help the program move forward. If you want to disagree with that position fine - but lots of luck.

 

[JC CATS]

don't think there is a lot of player bashing going on. Matt Elam and Drew Barker and even a lot of that is criticism. If you play Division 1 football you might be critiqued. I thimk Mark Stoops and staff has caught a lot of sh%t talking and a lot of it deservedly so. The rumors were awful but the football talk was ok. Now that he is winning some and I still have a wait and see if things are lot better, we have people coming out of the woodwork, yelling TOXIC. Where were you when we were losing? Ok, back to your complaining bout the fans.

 

[TBCat]

This year alone:

Jordan Jones, Naquez Pringle, Mike Edwards, Bunchy Stallings, Logan Stenberg, Josh Allen, Derrick Baity, Kyle Meadows, Tavin Richardson, Eli Brown, CJ Conrad, Denzel Ware, etc...

And those are just some examples this year. Saying that this staff never develops players is absolutely false.

I don't see how some of those qualify as being developed. Just because the made the lineup doesn't mean they have hit their stride. Also nobody suggest that any coach fails to develop every player he ever coaches. Even Bill Curry developed Moe Williams but he still failed to make the best use of the majority of his players. Stoops right now has a lot more talent than Brooks ever had and yet look at the results. Why are we recruiting circles around UL but not in their league? Even though you can come up with a handful that you think are playing well you can probably name 3 that don't for every one that you think develops. Where is Hatcher, Horton, or Krok right now?

 

[allabouttheUK]

I don't see how some of those qualify as being developed. Just because the made the lineup doesn't mean they have hit their stride. Also nobody suggest that any coach fails to develop every player he ever coaches. Even Bill Curry developed Moe Williams but he still failed to make the best use of the majority of his players. Stoops right now has a lot more talent than Brooks ever had and yet look at the results. Why are we recruiting circles around UL but not in their league? Even though you can come up with a handful that you think are playing well you can probably name 3 that don't for every one that you think develops. Where is Hatcher, Horton, or Krok right now?

Hatcher liked his drugs too much and was shown the door.

Horton fell on the depth chart, and I guess you could say was recruited over (Snell)

Krok, no idea.

Keep in mind that the majority of the guys listed in the other post are true Sophomores, not red-shirt sophomores. Some will say that doesn't make a difference, but it does.

They qualify as being developed/developing because you can see progress and positive results from them on the field. I hope nobody can deny that those listed have played pretty damn well since the changes were made after the FL game.

 

[lookinfor8]

The lack of player development would be a bigger issue for most recruits.

That's correct. He's got some good recruits but a lot of them have
not lived up to the hype.

IMO in just a few cases has the individual player been called out.

When a coach starts bitching about the fan base he knows his
tenure is short. Trying to deflect his record by taking on the fans is an excuse.
If Stoops wants the bitching to stop then start putting a competitive
team on the field, show improvement, stop having mid season collapses,
& win the games you are supposed to win.

I will take the wins we have but the don't show much.
Games against State, Mizzo, & Georgia will show if we have improved.

 

[NCukcat62]

I don't believe you read his statement or you would realize you're objecting to something he didn't say, in fact he said the opposite concerning criticism of coaches including himself. What he expressed was that toxic negative comments directed at players does not help the program move forward. If you want to disagree with that position fine - but lots of luck.

Not disagreeing with what he said. But I don't think he really realizes that we as fans who aren't pumpers are tired and frustrated at the coaches more than anything. And if the players aren't stacking up, that again falls on the coaches. Most of the things I see on here have been negative towards the players.

 

[NCukcat62]

I don't believe you read his statement or you would realize you're objecting to something he didn't say, in fact he said the opposite concerning criticism of coaches including himself. What he expressed was that toxic negative comments directed at players does not help the program move forward. If you want to disagree with that position fine - but lots of luck.

Truth is he's complaining about the fanbase which is a sign of a weak minded individual. Unlike coach cal who says that we are the most crazy and passionate fans out there.

 

[Crushgroove]

another thread on this subject [sick]

Yes. B/c the entire board is filled with vitriol, which lends the original statement merit. Funny that you can't see that.

 

[Crushgroove]

As a fan I reserve the right to criticize school leadership, the coaches and players any time I chose. I'd never contact them directly that's just nonsense. But if a guy isn't very good. I will say he isn't very good.

Do folks hang out at your job and criticize you?

 

[Kattopper]

If I was a player and read this board, I would not come to Kentucky. The new buzz word is "toxic" and it is true.

You would base your college choice on message board chatter rather than actual results on the field? People have bought this woe is me BS from Stoops and UK. Seriously players and parents, coaches need to lay off the fans. 98% of us are loyal and supportive and don't stick our noses where it doesn't belong (players twitter, coaches personal lives). People need to toughen up a bit and learn to ignore stupid comments.