Could the portal end Brown's time here?

[steeleer]

We are definitely on the wrong side of the portal (again). if we lose CJ and get nothing remotely close in return then that will even further tank expectations. This in turn creates two separate and equally damning narratives.
1) If our team is literally falling apart, what is the advantage of having the "continuity" of a for **** coach. Arent we keeping him to keep this team together?
2) This will add jet fuel to what will surely be a trash fire on season ticket sales.

I still firmly believe Kneel finishes the year no matter what, but the optics on another portal fire sale might be too much to justify Keeping him.

 

[Vernon]

We are definitely on the wrong side of the portal (again). if we lose CJ and get nothing remotely close in return then that will even further tank expectations. This in turn creates two separate and equally damning narratives.
1) If our team is literally falling apart, what is the advantage of having the "continuity" of a for **** coach. Arent we keeping him to keep this team together?
2) This will add jet fuel to what will surely be a trash fire on season ticket sales.

I still firmly believe Kneel finishes the year no matter what, but the optics on another portal fire sale might be too much to justify Keeping him.

I would like to be able to tell you that certain players are secure but I'm not sure that's even possible anymore. Deals are set for guys like Nico, Greene and CJ but we thought the same for Prather and he still left. I think we'll see another starter or two leave soon and the biggest goal for the staff will be avoiding a situation where it snowballs out of control.

 

[WVUALLEN]

We are definitely on the wrong side of the portal (again). if we lose CJ and get nothing remotely close in return then that will even further tank expectations. This in turn creates two separate and equally damning narratives.
1) If our team is literally falling apart, what is the advantage of having the "continuity" of a for **** coach. Arent we keeping him to keep this team together?
2) This will add jet fuel to what will surely be a trash fire on season ticket sales.

I still firmly believe Kneel finishes the year no matter what, but the optics on another portal fire sale might be too much to justify Keeping him.

Losing CJ will not hurt as much as if we lose 2 or more RB.

Lose a 3rd QB and it's time to jump.

Personally would not surprise me if he's fired at anytime during 2023.

 

[OlegeezEER]

We are definitely on the wrong side of the portal (again). if we lose CJ and get nothing remotely close in return then that will even further tank expectations. This in turn creates two separate and equally damning narratives.
1) If our team is literally falling apart, what is the advantage of having the "continuity" of a for **** coach. Arent we keeping him to keep this team together?
2) This will add jet fuel to what will surely be a trash fire on season ticket sales.

I still firmly believe Kneel finishes the year no matter what, but the optics on another portal fire sale might be too much to justify Keeping him.

The portal will be the undoing of many coach's. Losing players will become a fact of life. It isn't going to change when the last name of the coach changes.

 

[deedoubleyou]

The portal and NIL will be the undoing of the popularity of college sports. The only way it changes is when fans walk away.

 

[steeleer]

Brown is already on the hot seat and now that seat is getting hotter.



The only way to save college athletics is to

1) cap the NIL money that each school can accept. Anything above that amount goes into a "general fund" for all athletes at every school which is similar to how they do revenue sharing in MLB.

2) They also need to place a cap on how much any one athlete can get in a year.

3) If someone is pulled away from a school using NIL money as the reason then the raiding school needs to give an equal amount of money to the school that is getting poached. That way the victimized school can turn around and purchase another player.
Similar to how MLB gets players from Japan. They pay a fee and then can sign the player to a contract.


It would at least tap the breaks on the ********.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The schools are not the ones paying the NIL.

 

[steeleer]

The schools are not the ones paying the NIL.

Understood, but they are gathering and providing funds to athletes at one particular school.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Understood, but they are gathering and providing funds to athletes at one particular school.

Stinking rich alumni are gathering and providing funds most likely at the high suggestion of coaching staff.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

I understand every school experience is transfers, however we have been decimated and for some reason Brown just can’t hang on to these good recruiting classes. Under his watch we have literally turned into a JUCO.

But this is my problem with this whole situation to begin with and this is the reason why I think college football is circling the drain. West Virginia University cannot be a school that does not live in the transfer portal. I understand Brown has done a very good job of doing it the right way, however his method is archaic. This guy is in homes last week and this week recruiting and probably getting text messages of who is leaving next and having to change the sales pitch on the fly. At this point, giving him the boot after January 1 and saving some money is probably our best option moving forward. It won’t happen, but we’re essentially starting over next year anyway so why don’t we just do the inevitable?

 

[WVUALLEN]

I understand every school experience is transfers, however we have been decimated and for some reason Brown just can’t hang on to these good recruiting classes. Under his watch we have literally turned into a JUCO.

But this is my problem with this whole situation to begin with and this is the reason why I think college football is circling the drain. West Virginia University cannot be a school that does not live in the transfer portal. I understand Brown has done a very good job of doing it the right way, however his method is archaic. This guy is in homes last week and this week recruiting and probably getting text messages of who is leaving next and having to change the sales pitch on the fly. At this point, giving him the boot after January 1 and saving some money is probably our best option moving forward. It won’t happen, but we’re essentially starting over next year anyway so why don’t we just do the inevitable?

Ask Gee.

WVU ranked 48th in transfers portal and 9th in Big 12.

On3's Team Transfer Portal Rankings are the standard index measuring a team's production during the transfer process. This proprietary algorithm determines if a school has improved its overall team talent, stayed the same, or declined in talent during the transfer window.

2023 College Football Team Transfer Portal Rankings

The 2023 college football transfer portal team rankings.

www.on3.com

 

[OlegeezEER]

I understand every school experience is transfers, however we have been decimated and for some reason Brown just can’t hang on to these good recruiting classes. Under his watch we have literally turned into a JUCO.

But this is my problem with this whole situation to begin with and this is the reason why I think college football is circling the drain. West Virginia University cannot be a school that does not live in the transfer portal. I understand Brown has done a very good job of doing it the right way, however his method is archaic. This guy is in homes last week and this week recruiting and probably getting text messages of who is leaving next and having to change the sales pitch on the fly. At this point, giving him the boot after January 1 and saving some money is probably our best option moving forward. It won’t happen, but we’re essentially starting over next year anyway so why don’t we just do the inevitable?

We can't hang on to these guys because our alumni doesn't have enough money

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

We can't hang on to these guys because our alumni doesn't have enough money

One can only hope that CFB splits into two divisions. NIL model and the Traditional model. We don’t have near the money to keep up with most teams in the B12 yet along the nation.

 

[OlegeezEER]

One can only hope that CFB splits into two divisions. NIL model and the Traditional model. We don’t have near the money to keep up with most teams in the B12 yet along the nation.

Hopefully that will happen. Until it does schools like ours will be competing for the basement more than it does the penthouse.

 

[WVUALLEN]

One can only hope that CFB splits into two divisions. NIL model and the Traditional model. We don’t have near the money to keep up with most teams in the B12 yet along the nation.

I believe there will be a split as SEC and Big 10 join together and forms their own hell.

The rest will be better off. I'm sure there will be NIL money. But nowhere near the upper semi pro level.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

And the WVU’s of the world will still be the farm club for them.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

And the WVU’s of the world will still be the farm club for them.

Frog in the boiling pot right now for us and several other programs as NIL and the portal takes more and more control of CFB.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Brown would have fit in perfect back in 60's & 70's when you built from high school recruiting then Red Shirted freshman and played your seniors over Juniors, sophomores despite the talent.

 

[OlegeezEER]

Brown would have fit in perfect back in 60's & 70's when you built from high school recruiting then Red Shirted freshman and played your seniors over Juniors, sophomores despite the talent.

He would have fit okay before the NIL/Portal. Problem is not sure who would fit probably a guy who runs a system that doesn't need NFL talent. Alabama just lost a 5 star if they can't keep them how the hell can we.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-five-star-lsu-commit-170515084.html

 

[WVUALLEN]

He would have fit okay before the NIL/Portal. Problem is not sure who would fit probably a guy who runs a system that doesn't need NFL talent. Alabama just lost a 5 star if they can't keep them how the hell can we.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-five-star-lsu-commit-170515084.html

Can't be. Alabama doesn't lose 5 stars or starting players. Bucky and gang said so.

 

[steeleer]

Can't be. Alabama doesn't lose 5 stars or starting players. Bucky and gang said so.

Every 5 star doesn't work out. Bama gets such insane talent that they might have told them to transfer to free up a spot for someone from their farm system.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Every 5 star doesn't work out. Bama gets such insane talent that they might have told them to transfer to free up a spot for someone from their farm system.

The ones transferring are already starters.

 

[steeleer]

The ones transferring are already starters.

I hadn't looked. Thats the fun part about rooting for a for **** team. We are so distant from being relevant that it has zero bearing on my existence.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I hadn't looked. Thats the fun part about rooting for a for **** team. We are so distant from being relevant that it has zero bearing on my existence.

Yet here you are bitching over something about nothing.

 

[deedoubleyou]

The ones transferring are already starters.

Aaron Anderson, the Alabama 5 star WR who is transferring out recorded 0 stats in 2022. I guess if he was a starter, he really sucked lol. Every single high ranked player transferring out of LSU barely had any stats. These players will go to a school where they have a chance to become starters. You just make **** up.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Aaron Anderson, the Alabama 5 star WR who is transferring out recorded 0 stats in 2022. I guess if he was a starter, he really sucked lol. Every single high ranked player transferring out of LSU barely had any stats. These players will go to a school where they have a chance to become starters. You just make **** up.

You might want to keep checking there Lucy lick and not pick certain ones that fit your agenda.

 

[WVU-SE]

You might want to keep checking there Lucy lick and not pick certain ones that fit your agenda.

Out of curiosity, who were the impact players that Bama lost? I follow portal pretty close, and while there were some decent players that left, I can't think of a single starter that left their team. It was second and third year players that were backups that likely weren't going to become full time starters next year, so it made sense for them to leave.

That said, I haven't tracked every player.

 

[deedoubleyou]

You might want to keep checking there Lucy lick and not pick certain ones that fit your agenda.

Ok genius, which one of LSU's transfers had a lot of production? Here is the list...

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/lists/lsu-football-transfer-portal-tracker-2022-season-updates/

 

[WVUALLEN]

Out of curiosity, who were the impact players that Bama lost? I follow portal pretty close, and while there were some decent players that left, I can't think of a single starter that left their team. It was second and third year players that were backups that likely weren't going to become full time starters next year, so it made sense for them to leave.

That said, I haven't tracked every player.

Starting LG from Alabama Javion Cohen entered the transfer portal. Started 25 of the last 27 games at left guard, including 11 of Alabama’s 12 regular-season games a year ago.

Cohen is now the 9th Alabama player to enter the portal.
Trey Sanders was the #1 RB, a 5 star recruit and was supposed to special. Apparently they couldn't build him up and he failed to mature.

Nine players from Alabama have entered this years portal. Defensive lineman Braylen Ingraham, kicker Jack Martin, running back Trey Sanders, defensive back Khyree Jackson, offensive linemen Damieon George and Tanner Bowles and receivers Christian Leary and Traeshon Holden. The Tide had 18 players enter the portal last year. Every player that leaves is a dent in depth. Lucky for Saban players are 3 deep for them.

True that no matter who the player is that transfers from WVU it will hurt more than it does Bama.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Ok genius, which one of LSU's transfers had a lot of production? Here is the list...

https://lsutigerswire.usatoday.com/lists/lsu-football-transfer-portal-tracker-2022-season-updates/

LSU single most important position group that will be tested in the offseason is the secondary, both at corner and safety. LSU has already lost cornerbacks Damarius McGhee, Raydarious Jones, Jarrick-Bernard Converse, Mekhi Garner, Colby Richardson, Jay Ward, Ray Brooks and Joe Foucha.

DL - LSU has an elite freshman o-line class incoming but finding the depth to go along with it is the next component.

OL - elite freshman o-line class incoming but finding the depth to go along with it will be a challenge.

Receivers - Many returning for a senior season, the attrition in the wide receiver room won't be as big a hit as initially feared.

QB they have lost 4 players. Imagine WVU losing 4 QB's. Starters or not.

Depth kills.

 

[deedoubleyou]

LSU single most important position group that will be tested in the offseason is the secondary, both at corner and safety. LSU has already lost cornerbacks Damarius McGhee, Raydarious Jones, Jarrick-Bernard Converse, Mekhi Garner, Colby Richardson, Jay Ward, Ray Brooks and Joe Foucha.

DL - LSU has an elite freshman o-line class incoming but finding the depth to go along with it is the next component.

OL - elite freshman o-line class incoming but finding the depth to go along with it will be a challenge.

Receivers - Many returning for a senior season, the attrition in the wide receiver room won't be as big a hit as initially feared.

QB they have lost 4 players. Imagine WVU losing 4 QB's. Starters or not.

Depth kills.

But its LSU, they recruit at such a high level, their depth will be answered a lot easier than other schools. They will still keep their best players plus have a bunch more top 100 guys to groom in. They are losing virtually no production so far with the players transferring out.

 

[WVUALLEN]

But its LSU, they recruit at such a high level, their depth will be answered a lot easier than other schools. They will still keep their best players plus have a bunch more top 100 guys to groom in. They are losing virtually no production so far with the players transferring out.

Never said they wouldn't.

But the players they are losing would have most likely been playing in place of those that graduated or moved on.

High class school or not they also went through a 20 year period where they sucked.
W 123 L 99

Then Saban arrived.

 

[WVU-SE]

Starting LG from Alabama Javion Cohen entered the transfer portal. Started 25 of the last 27 games at left guard, including 11 of Alabama’s 12 regular-season games a year ago.

Cohen is now the 9th Alabama player to enter the portal.
Trey Sanders was the #1 RB, a 5 star recruit and was supposed to special. Apparently they couldn't build him up and he failed to mature.

Nine players from Alabama have entered this years portal. Defensive lineman Braylen Ingraham, kicker Jack Martin, running back Trey Sanders, defensive back Khyree Jackson, offensive linemen Damieon George and Tanner Bowles and receivers Christian Leary and Traeshon Holden. The Tide had 18 players enter the portal last year. Every player that leaves is a dent in depth. Lucky for Saban players are 3 deep for them.

True that no matter who the player is that transfers from WVU it will hurt more than it does Bama.

That's fair. I didn't realize Cohen left. There was some speculation that he wasn't happy losing snaps towards the end of the year, but didn't think he left. I keep up with Bama and Arkansas due to two of my daughters going there.

I think some don't realize that some of these transfers at the big time schools can also be due to suggestions from the HC. I know if a few who were told to enter and they would put in a good word for them behind the scenes.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

WVU doesn't have a problem with the transfer portal in basketball BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COACH GOOD ENOUGH TO CAUSE 7 GOOD ATHLETES TO TRANSFER TO WVU. Portal isn't the problem. Neal Brown is. Huggins may have one of his better teams this season BECAUSE OF the portal!

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

WVU’s problem is a fanbase that doesn’t know the school colors.

 

[steeleer]

Yet here you are bitching over something about nothing.

You're acting like what I wrote was a lie. Bama 100% sends people packing and replaces them with better players. Every single year.

 

[WVUALLEN]

You're acting like what I wrote was a lie. Bama 100% sends people packing and replaces them with better players. Every single year.

They failed this season. Didn't make the playoffs and lost 2 games. Must not be any of those better players there yet. They are currently chanting to fire Saban.

 

[OlegeezEER]

WVU doesn't have a problem with the transfer portal in basketball BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COACH GOOD ENOUGH TO CAUSE 7 GOOD ATHLETES TO TRANSFER TO WVU. Portal isn't the problem. Neal Brown is. Huggins may have one of his better teams this season BECAUSE OF the portal!

It takes more players to be successful in Football than it does in Basketball this is an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[steeleer]

They failed this season. Didn't make the playoffs and lost 2 games. Must not be any of those better players there yet. They are currently chanting to fire Saban.

Calipari had to adjust to this. Now you can see his teams start to improve. Saban will do the same.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

It takes more players to be successful in Football than it does in Basketball this is an apples to oranges comparison.

NAH! IF HUGGINS NEEDS 85 PLAYERS HE STILL WOULD OUT-COACH NEAL BROWN BY A MILE.