Do we have the military capability in case things escalate?
Could the U.S. withstand a 2 pronged invasion by Canada and Mexico?
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If you make it 3 pronged and throw in Cuba... IDK.
It would be nice to run the commies out and turn that island back into a tropical paradise.If you make it 3 pronged and throw in Cuba... IDK.
If not, just take it over, leave those who want to remain communist there, and then turn it into a big prison for all of these thugs being deported that we have to give "due process" to as a holding area.
You mean defeat the combined might of the Canadian and Mexican militaries? Or somehow China sneaks its military unnoticed into Mexico and the Russians sneak into Canada and attack in a coordinated fashion?
Neither would be a threat, and the first a joke.
I’d say the Chinese would be stopped south of Brownsville, Texas and or San Diego and wiped out to the last person unwilling to surrender. And the Russians would be obliterated before setting foot in the U.S. Niagara Falls would not be at risk.
Neither would be a threat, and the first a joke.
I’d say the Chinese would be stopped south of Brownsville, Texas and or San Diego and wiped out to the last person unwilling to surrender. And the Russians would be obliterated before setting foot in the U.S. Niagara Falls would not be at risk.
Canada's military is weak and grossly underfunded for a NATO country. Mexico's military is much less capable than Canada's. For instance, the US has roughly 1,700 fighter aircraft (not counting Navy/Marine fighters) while Canada has less than 100 which are a generation behind our newest aircraft. Our navy is roughly 9x larger than Canada's and our ships are much more capable. They have no aircraft carriers or nuclear powered submarines.
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15.8 million US military veterans may have some input into the equation.
I think 50 of his here with muskets could take the Canadians.
Mexico due to the cartels, I will gladly let the US military handle that problem.
Mexico due to the cartels, I will gladly let the US military handle that problem.
I, for one, would welcome our overlords from the Conch Republic.
85 million registered gun owners have some say
My biggest concern are the Cartels and Terrorist cells that are def inside the country now. Could they defeat the entire country, no, but they sure would create a lot of panic (Blow up a bridge, power plant, etc,)
My WW2 vet grandpa always told me he was amazed Japan surrendered so quickly after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He said if the tables were turned and Japan had bombed LA there would be people in the mountains prepping for a long term ground war
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After two bombs, I'd have been thinking there are many more where those came from, even though there wasn't. While some would prepare for a ground war after that, I think the large majority would think the gig is up - as Japan did.
Yes. Canada, like their French ancestry, will be surrender monkeys.
Our southern border friends will not be organized enough, nor have enough weaponry to sustain an assault.
Our southern border friends will not be organized enough, nor have enough weaponry to sustain an assault.
2 cartel members were caught in Colo with 180K rounds of ammo. Another man from Mexico was arrested in Wyo with almost 20k rounds. Both were headed to Pueblo Colorado. Pueblo Colo is near the max security prison housing El Chap.... just a coincidence I'm sure.
Don't we own something like 270 million guns?
If that's accurate, I'm taking the "under" no matter how many days Vegas quotes lol.
If that's accurate, I'm taking the "under" no matter how many days Vegas quotes lol.
If we’re basing it on military budgets, this is 1996 UK playing two middle school teams and both games should be over well before halftime.
Yeah if we lose to Canada in anything other than hockey we should kick our own asses.
I think the next war will be on a infrastructure kinda thing. No electricity or banking without gasoline will be a bad enough
America: Be our 51st state, Canada.
Canada: No.
America: You know you want it.
Canada: Please stop being weird.
America: We would kick Mexico's ***! Point blank period.
Also America: We're being invaded by hordes of Mexicans! They're taking over!
The answer is yes but we also thought similar about Vietnam. It'd be interesting to know specifics for this scenario as well. Are we the aggressors trying to take over North America? That'd be the only reason both countries would attack us where we live.
Canada: No.
America: You know you want it.
Canada: Please stop being weird.
America: We would kick Mexico's ***! Point blank period.
Also America: We're being invaded by hordes of Mexicans! They're taking over!
The answer is yes but we also thought similar about Vietnam. It'd be interesting to know specifics for this scenario as well. Are we the aggressors trying to take over North America? That'd be the only reason both countries would attack us where we live.
Lots of rednecks chomping at the bit at the thought.
He always said he thought Americans would fight until the very end. He talked more about citizens continuing to fight. Maybe he really loved Red Dawn and just never told me
That's the ones we know of. The other millions that we don't know about would be the backup.
I'm not sure what your point is. I don't want my house overrun by rodents, but that doesn't mean I couldn't kick their ***. Wanting effective control of the US Southern border is not an indicator that America couldn't easily obliterate a military invasion by the Mexican army, assuming they have an army beyond the Federales.
As for Canada, they do have a military. I've actually spent a little time around them in places ranging from Somalia to Afghanistan. Good guys, by and large. The size of their active duty military is about two percent of the US, and it has been designed with UN peacekeeping missions in mind, not invading a foreign country of any size, much less the US. One American combat division, say the 1st Infantry (Mech.) with air support and attached artillery units, would be more than a match for the Canadian military. But, like I say, they are good folks and fun to hang around with. And they showed grit in their deployments to Belet Heun in Somalia and the Kandahar zone in Afghanistan. I'd want them on our side if it comes to battering the Chinese and Russians into submission.
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I’m ready! Too old to run! Might as well man a bunker stocked with ammo and bourbon.I resemble that remark!!
I recently rewatched Tarantino's Inglourious Basterds and Hans, the Jew Hunter, compared Jews to rats. You may want to stay away from the "rodent" comparison for anyone in the future. Don't think you meant anything by it but that made me cringe like hell. My point is that Americans believe we'd kick Mexico's *** with a quickness...while also complaining that Mexicans are "taking over" the country. I just find that funny, same as saying we've got lots of guns so victory! What does that even mean? My dad has guns. That doesn't mean if push comes to shove he's going to arm up and begin shooting as if we're in The Last of Us. That's that civil war fantasy some folks won't let go of.
Nineteen hijackers in 2001 changed America forever, nearly 3,000 people died, and we put ourselves in two wars in the Middle East, one lasting around a decade while the other lasted two decades. All of that because of 19 terrorists. Now let's say we're being attacked by one country directly to our north while the country directly to our south does the same. That wouldn't be an easy victory for our side. And if we had started it (because why would CN and Mex want a war with us to begin with?), we're in it alone, unless Putin wants to "help" us.
Your grandpa is sort if simplifying it. It's not like Japan got bombed first time ever on Monday and gave up on Tuesday. Tokyo was fire bombed in March. Okinawa, Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
Yeah, if America was attacked out of nowhere, we'd all rally up.
But for a Japanese analogy. Imagine some idiot jackass lead America in to a war with Canada and Greenland and Mexico and Panama. And after a quick success, over the course of four years we lost those countries. And more of the world started to get together to beating our brains in. Soldiers dying and captured. And all the Glory and riches citizens were promised never materialized. Attacks within the country. People dying and going hungry. Jackass debutante is still president, but all the old useless idiots who thought he was a god are finally dying and they never went to war to begin with. Eventually, the rest of the country would wisen up and realize, no reason to fight for one emperor's glory and best to start over with a democracy.
Doesn't Canada's entire military fit on a container ship or something like that?
Yes, we could easily take Mexico and Canada at once without even straining our muscles. Now if several SA countries banded together and sent armies north it might get a bit more interesting, but without a way for them to control the air it would just look like one long road of death.
If some other country managed to breach our firewalls and sabotage our cyber infrastructure that would be an issue as well, but air control again. No other country has a carrier force big enough to get within our shores, and even with landing fields in SA they won't have the range to protect an army moving north.
Biggest threat would be gorilla forces already in country doing things like drone strikes on key installations, airfields, and civilian infrastructure. Some country like China hitting the GPS satellites wouldn't be fun either.
Yes, we could easily take Mexico and Canada at once without even straining our muscles. Now if several SA countries banded together and sent armies north it might get a bit more interesting, but without a way for them to control the air it would just look like one long road of death.
If some other country managed to breach our firewalls and sabotage our cyber infrastructure that would be an issue as well, but air control again. No other country has a carrier force big enough to get within our shores, and even with landing fields in SA they won't have the range to protect an army moving north.
Biggest threat would be gorilla forces already in country doing things like drone strikes on key installations, airfields, and civilian infrastructure. Some country like China hitting the GPS satellites wouldn't be fun either.
Doubling down on stupidity - like your statement that there is some contradiction between noting the U.S. could easily defeat the Mexican army while also wanting a secure Southern Border —is never a successful strategy. It only draws atttention to, and reinforces the initial stupid observation.
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This is quite possibly the silliest thread in the history of this board.
Mexico thought about invading during World War I and may have helped some during World War II. The jury is still out on that.
Mexico thought about invading during World War I and may have helped some during World War II. The jury is still out on that.
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In fairness I sorta summed up a conversation I had probably 20 years ago with a man in his 70s
I think a lot of people see all gang violence south of the border as "mexican cartels". They may do business but gangs come from every country south of the border.
I think a lot of people will be shocked to see how much weaponry they've bought with that drug money over the decades. Sinaloa is basically former Mexico special forces that were trained by our SF to take down other cartels. If real war did break out, you'd see a hell of a lot more deaths than 3000. Cartels are operating in one form or fashion in every city in the US and would pay other gangs to just do mischief that would be very disruptive to everyday life.
But most Mexicans I've seen don't support the cartels in any way, so it's not like the whole country would join in the fight.
Canada would be much weirder. Alberta independence is picking up steam and Quebec and Saskatchewan would likely go if they left. So a war with Canada would basically be 6 cities. LoL
