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‘The money does not exist’: Why the buyouts for college football coaches are setting off alarm bells | CNN
PSU very prominently mentioned.
Some excerpts from this very "on-point" article:

1) Penn State athletic director Pat Kraft, who through a spokesperson declined comment for this story, has insisted that Franklin’s buyout is “an athletics issue. This is not the institution’s issue. We in athletics are covering the costs.”

But from where? “No one has the answer,’’ one of the board members said.

2) Except now, as some of those bills come due at the same time revenue sharing comes into existence, the very real question is no longer an existential crisis. Just where is the money coming from?

“I have no idea,’’ said another board member at an affected school. “The money does not exist.’’

“Finally, someone said it out loud,’’ said a board of trustees member at another institution. “This is so irresponsible.’’

“No one is flying the plane,’’ a board member at one of the schools affected said. “There’s not even a plane. It’s a hot air balloon. Whatever way the wind blows, that’s the way college sports go.’’

3) Except somewhere along the line the spending steamrolled ahead of the profits.

Facility one-upsmanship, all in the name of attracting better recruits, led to practice facilities with mini-golf courses (Clemson), marble showers in the locker room (Oregon) and sensory deprivation tanks (Georgia). Then came more staff – to run the analytics and sports performance and nutrition and, in some cases, the head coach. Texas has not one, not two but three special assistants to the head coach

According to the KnightNewhouse College Athletics Database, in the last 10 years Penn State’s football spending has jumped 113% but the entire department’s revenues have grown only 83%. At LSU, football spending jumped 44% and revenues just 40%.

In the same decade, football coaching salaries (the entire staff) jumped 106% in State College and 90% in Baton Rouge while ticket sales only added an additional 33% and 37% respectively and donor contributions jumped 53% and 66%.

4) Virginia Tech recently announced a planned $229 million investment in athletics over the next four years. Along with seeking donor support for $30 million of that annually, the university said there will be “limited increases in student fees.’’ In 2024, student fees generated $14.5 million for the athletic department.

“That deal should terrify boards everywhere,’’ one of the trustees said.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/31/sport/college-football-coach-buyouts




FWIW:
Serendipitously, I just posted this Blog a few hours ago:
Penn State Athletics: The Fiscal Cliff Is Closer Than They Think – BARRY FENCHAK
 
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Is it true that taxpayers are on the hook in LA? Their program not self sustaining like PSU? I wonder why that is?
LSU board said no taxpayer monies . Meanwhile , the governor doubled down on it being taxpayer money. Who knows ? Supposedly a single donor has stepped up and said I got this . He ain’t no po’ boy .
 

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If it’s a breakeven, I would imagine stochastic modeling would prove it to be a very risky path.
 

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A lot of money would come back from those the BoT went out of there way to alienate.
I am one and know many others who do want Joe to be honored, that donated plenty of money in the past but are no longer willing to do so even if the field is named after him or the statue goes back up. You can only get so much blood out of a hog.
 

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I am one and know many others who do want Joe to be honored, that donated plenty of money in the past but are no longer willing to do so even if the field is named after him or the statue goes back up. You can only get so much blood out of a hog.
I think the window has mostly closed. I’ve posted since 2013 that you should never ignore a fully loyal constituency to the point they no longer care. Ten years of bs got me there. I am now a casual football fan instead of a Penn state university fanatic.
Secondly, the spending is out of control. There are no rules, and everyone is trying to run the fastest toward the cliff due to the fear of not being left behind.
If I was Charlie baker, I’d separate the the nfl minor leagues division 1 from the ncaa football division 1 . Put some rules on spring, payment, nil, that reintroduce the student athlete. It would probably only be the patriots league and ivy to start, but would provide an exit ramp from the fiscal cliff. I see the the pro sports minor league schools only having men’s basketball and football in 20 years.
 

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I am one and know many others who do want Joe to be honored, that donated plenty of money in the past but are no longer willing to do so even if the field is named after him or the statue goes back up. You can only get so much blood out of a hog.

It's a fact donations have been down. They aren't going up until the BoT reverses course.
 

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True, but, uh.... context? :) (Something going down on the corner of Curtin and Porter?)

And, of course, what counts as "philanthropy", and when it is recognized, is as consistent as pudding.
 

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True, but, uh.... context? :) (Something going down on the corner of Curtin and Porter?)

And, of course, what counts as "philanthropy", and when it is recognized, is as consistent as pudding.

If it’s PSU, it’s never good.

😞
 
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If it’s PSU, it’s never good.

😞
FWIW: And I mentioned this is the Blog, I think PSU probably UNDER stated the likely philanthropy that will most likely be realized wrt the whole Beaver Stadium thing.

Unfortunately, even at double or triple their projections, the philanthropic money would not be more than a drop in the bucket wrt overcoming the future budget deficits
 
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True, but, uh.... context? :) (Something going down on the corner of Curtin and Porter?)

And, of course, what counts as "philanthropy", and when it is recognized, is as consistent as pudding.
I posted that as a response to a comment that "It's a fact donations have been down." There are things that can be interpreted differently or argued, but it's certainly not a "fact" that donations are down.
 
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‘The money does not exist’: Why the buyouts for college football coaches are setting off alarm bells | CNN
PSU very prominently mentioned.
Some excerpts from this very "on-point" article:

1) Penn State athletic director Pat Kraft, who through a spokesperson declined comment for this story, has insisted that Franklin’s buyout is “an athletics issue. This is not the institution’s issue. We in athletics are covering the costs.”

But from where? “No one has the answer,’’ one of the board members said.

2) Except now, as some of those bills come due at the same time revenue sharing comes into existence, the very real question is no longer an existential crisis. Just where is the money coming from?

“I have no idea,’’ said another board member at an affected school. “The money does not exist.’’

“Finally, someone said it out loud,’’ said a board of trustees member at another institution. “This is so irresponsible.’’

“No one is flying the plane,’’ a board member at one of the schools affected said. “There’s not even a plane. It’s a hot air balloon. Whatever way the wind blows, that’s the way college sports go.’’

3) Except somewhere along the line the spending steamrolled ahead of the profits.

Facility one-upsmanship, all in the name of attracting better recruits, led to practice facilities with mini-golf courses (Clemson), marble showers in the locker room (Oregon) and sensory deprivation tanks (Georgia). Then came more staff – to run the analytics and sports performance and nutrition and, in some cases, the head coach. Texas has not one, not two but three special assistants to the head coach

According to the KnightNewhouse College Athletics Database, in the last 10 years Penn State’s football spending has jumped 113% but the entire department’s revenues have grown only 83%. At LSU, football spending jumped 44% and revenues just 40%.

In the same decade, football coaching salaries (the entire staff) jumped 106% in State College and 90% in Baton Rouge while ticket sales only added an additional 33% and 37% respectively and donor contributions jumped 53% and 66%.

4) Virginia Tech recently announced a planned $229 million investment in athletics over the next four years. Along with seeking donor support for $30 million of that annually, the university said there will be “limited increases in student fees.’’ In 2024, student fees generated $14.5 million for the athletic department.

“That deal should terrify boards everywhere,’’ one of the trustees said.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/31/sport/college-football-coach-buyouts




FWIW:
Serendipitously, I just posted this Blog a few hours ago:
Penn State Athletics: The Fiscal Cliff Is Closer Than They Think – BARRY FENCHAK
I think we'll be just fine. I've been reading your posts and blogs for a long time. Eventually one of them will pan out.
 
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First of all, never let analytics get in the way of “ OMG, we are going to hell”. So here we go:
The article quotes revenues increasing only 83% while spending increased 113%. Notwithstanding the new Addidas money, football always made a significant profit that covered the vast litany of sports at PSU that lost money. So the fact that overall margins have declined, this article misleads the reader in thinking football is losing money. It’s not, and is still the bell cow for $ and it’s not close. What Kraft did was prevent further potential erosion offsetting yearly payments to Franklin against severe revenue drops. Combine that with the fact that Franklin will work somewhere and those costs will be offset in part…

This board complains about everything even when steps are taken for the greater goal of achieving football excellence:
“Franklin must go”—wow, look at what it costs. “
“Franklin can’t win the big game”—-“his firing has killed our recruiting and will be down for 2-3 years”.
I can’t stand what college football has become—-“we need to get better players”

Let’s just realize this is a big boy business and if you want to be great at it, it’s expensive, and it’s cruel at times.
Otherwise, maybe start a new forum called the Paterno forum, and take the chatter about standards, and what PSU stands for and put it over there. It doesn’t align with the cold blooded nature of what needs to happen if you want to be a real player in this sport.
 

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So are you admitting then that your comment of "It's a fact donations have been down." was false?

No, it's true.

Overall donations have been way down since the Joe set up.

People are designating donations to screw the BoT.

I don't know how many times this has to be posted or explained.
 
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I posted that as a response to a comment that "It's a fact donations have been down." There are things that can be interpreted differently or argued, but it's certainly not a "fact" that donations are down.
That comment, of course, wasn't mine.

If I were to comment vav "donations" it would be to clearly outline the facts that PSU Fundraising (University-Wide) achievements have been near the bottom of our Big Ten cohorts - which is made all the more disconcerting in that PSU has the largest alumni base in the entire nation (although I see that possibly Indiana is now making claim to that title as well)


Slightly dated, but on point:

Most Recent Big Ten Capital Campaigns:

UCLA: The Centennial Campaign for UCLA
UCLA raises $5.49 billion in one of most ambitious campaigns ever by a public university | UCLA
$5.49 Billion 6 Years $915 Million/yr Concluded 2019

Michigan: Victors for Michigan
U-Michigan raises $5B, shattering records for public universities | University of Michigan News (umich.edu)
$5 Billion 6 Years $833 Million/yr Concluded 2018

Indiana: For All: The Indiana University Bicentennial Campaign
Bicentennial Campaign: Indiana University Foundation: Indiana University (iu.edu)
(Included the 6 additional IU campuses)
$3.9 Billion 5 Years $780 Million/yr Concluded 2020

Nebraska: Only in Nebraska
About The Campaign - Only in Nebraska
In third year, $2.2 Billion raised thus far. $740 Million/yr

Wisconsin: All Ways Forward
All Ways Forward campaign – University of Wisconsin–Madison
$4.2 Billion 6 Years $700 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Washington: Be Boundless: For Washington, For the World
Be Boundless campaign | Give to the UW (washington.edu)
$6.3 Billion 10 years $630 Million/yr Concluded 2020

Illinois: The Campaign for Illinois
With Illinois: The Campaign for Illinois – Celebrating impact of our donors, alumni, and friends.
$2.7 Billion 5 Years $540 Million/yr Concluded 2022

Oregon:
Ducks Fly Past $3B Campaign Goal | Around the O (uoregon.edu)
$3.24 Billion 7 Years $463 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Ohio State: But for Ohio State
But for Ohio State Campaign tops $3 billion (osu.edu)
$3.005 Billion 7 Years $429 Million/yr Concluded 2016

Minnesota: Driven: The University of Minnesota Campaign
Rising to the moment • Discovery (umn.edu)
$4.0+ Billion 10 Years $400 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Maryland: Fearless Ideas: The Campaign for Maryland
University Of Maryland Concludes Record-Setting $1.5 Billion Capital Campaign (forbes.com)
$1.5 Billion 3.5 years $429 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Purdue: Ever True: The Campaign for Purdue University
Purdue University – Ever True: The Campaign for Purdue University
$2.53 Billion 6.5 Years $389 Million/yr Concluded 2019

Penn State: A Greater Penn State
University concludes ‘A Greater Penn State,’ breaks annual and campaign records | Penn State University (psu.edu)
$2.205 Billion 6 Years $368 Million/yr Concluded 2022

Iowa: For Iowa. Forever More
University of Iowa fundraising campaign brings in $1.975 billion (cbs2iowa.com)
$1.975 Billion 8 Years $247 Million/yr Concluded 2016

Michigan State: Empower Extraordinary
MSU ends latest fundraising campaign with $1.83 billion raised (lansingstatejournal.com)
$1.83 Billion 7.5 Years $244 Million/yr Concluded 2018

Rutgers: Our Rutgers, Our Future
Rutgers University Surpasses $1 Billion Fundraising Goal | Rutgers University
$1.04 Billion 7.5 Years $139 Million/yr Concluded 2014
 
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That comment, of course, wasn't mine.

If I were to comment vav "donations" it would be to clearly outline the facts that PSU Fundraising (University-Wide) achievements have been near the bottom of our Big Ten cohorts - which is made all the more disconcerting in that PSU has the largest alumni base in the entire nation (although I see that possibly Indiana is now making claim to that title as well)
I believe that the claim used to be that PSU had the largest dues paying alumni association membership. I wonder if that is still true, since some of us quit the association- (even though they already had our money in most cases.)
 

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I believe that the claim used to be that PSU had the largest dues paying alumni association membership. I wonder if that is still true, since some of us quit the association- (even though they already had our money in most cases.)
Two items:
1) # of Living Alumni
and
2) Dues Paying Members of Alum Assoc (not # of Alumni, of course, since non-alums can be members, and not all Alums choose to be members)

PSU claimed #2 for a long time, but I don't know if that is still the case. For decades that was the case, largely because paying dues to PSU AA double counted as points in the NLC (which was the key to getting FB season tickets. So MANY folks joined the PSU AA, and paid dues, since it was essentially "free" if they also wanted FB tickets). That is largely irrelevant now, and those lists have shrunk.
Not sure whether or not they still make that claim - but I think not, but just on sheer enrollment/graduate size PSU is likely still near the top.

Item "1" is of course simply how many graduates do you have out there in the world (basically, how big is the university). PSU led in that category, unsurprisingly, because it was the biggest school (via enrollment).
UCF - IIRC - recently overtook PSU wrt "largest enrollment" - but they became "big" just in recent decades, and didn't have nearly as many "old" alums.
IU is also very big, and I think they now lay claim to that title - though I don't know whether the real data supports that or not.
OSU is also "very big enrollment", and has to be close to PSU.
 

Chumboshifko1

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I posted that as a response to a comment that "It's a fact donations have been down." There are things that can be interpreted differently or argued, but it's certainly not a "fact" that donations are down.

Even Uncle Larry admitted donations have tanked.
 

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That comment, of course, wasn't mine.

If I were to comment vav "donations" it would be to clearly outline the facts that PSU Fundraising (University-Wide) achievements have been near the bottom of our Big Ten cohorts - which is made all the more disconcerting in that PSU has the largest alumni base in the entire nation (although I see that possibly Indiana is now making claim to that title as well)


Slightly dated, but on point:

Most Recent Big Ten Capital Campaigns:

UCLA: The Centennial Campaign for UCLA
UCLA raises $5.49 billion in one of most ambitious campaigns ever by a public university | UCLA
$5.49 Billion 6 Years $915 Million/yr Concluded 2019

Michigan: Victors for Michigan
U-Michigan raises $5B, shattering records for public universities | University of Michigan News (umich.edu)
$5 Billion 6 Years $833 Million/yr Concluded 2018

Indiana: For All: The Indiana University Bicentennial Campaign
Bicentennial Campaign: Indiana University Foundation: Indiana University (iu.edu)
(Included the 6 additional IU campuses)
$3.9 Billion 5 Years $780 Million/yr Concluded 2020

Nebraska: Only in Nebraska
About The Campaign - Only in Nebraska
In third year, $2.2 Billion raised thus far. $740 Million/yr

Wisconsin: All Ways Forward
All Ways Forward campaign – University of Wisconsin–Madison
$4.2 Billion 6 Years $700 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Washington: Be Boundless: For Washington, For the World
Be Boundless campaign | Give to the UW (washington.edu)
$6.3 Billion 10 years $630 Million/yr Concluded 2020

Illinois: The Campaign for Illinois
With Illinois: The Campaign for Illinois – Celebrating impact of our donors, alumni, and friends.
$2.7 Billion 5 Years $540 Million/yr Concluded 2022

Oregon:
Ducks Fly Past $3B Campaign Goal | Around the O (uoregon.edu)
$3.24 Billion 7 Years $463 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Ohio State: But for Ohio State
But for Ohio State Campaign tops $3 billion (osu.edu)
$3.005 Billion 7 Years $429 Million/yr Concluded 2016

Minnesota: Driven: The University of Minnesota Campaign
Rising to the moment • Discovery (umn.edu)
$4.0+ Billion 10 Years $400 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Maryland: Fearless Ideas: The Campaign for Maryland
University Of Maryland Concludes Record-Setting $1.5 Billion Capital Campaign (forbes.com)
$1.5 Billion 3.5 years $429 Million/yr Concluded 2021

Purdue: Ever True: The Campaign for Purdue University
Purdue University – Ever True: The Campaign for Purdue University
$2.53 Billion 6.5 Years $389 Million/yr Concluded 2019

Penn State: A Greater Penn State
University concludes ‘A Greater Penn State,’ breaks annual and campaign records | Penn State University (psu.edu)
$2.205 Billion 6 Years $368 Million/yr Concluded 2022

Iowa: For Iowa. Forever More
University of Iowa fundraising campaign brings in $1.975 billion (cbs2iowa.com)
$1.975 Billion 8 Years $247 Million/yr Concluded 2016

Michigan State: Empower Extraordinary
MSU ends latest fundraising campaign with $1.83 billion raised (lansingstatejournal.com)
$1.83 Billion 7.5 Years $244 Million/yr Concluded 2018

Rutgers: Our Rutgers, Our Future
Rutgers University Surpasses $1 Billion Fundraising Goal | Rutgers University
$1.04 Billion 7.5 Years $139 Million/yr Concluded 2014
That's embarrassing to be down with the likes of Purdue and Iowa but after what they did to Joe it's sums up support right now
 

BobPSU92

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I believe PSU is planning its next fundraising campaign. No doubt it will be a dogsh|t campaign.
 

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I believe that the claim used to be that PSU had the largest dues paying alumni association membership. I wonder if that is still true, since some of us quit the association- (even though they already had our money in most cases.)
They still count life members who quit. I asked to be removed and said I will still be counted
 

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As the articles indicates, much, if not most, of the philanthropy is stadium-related. No matter, cash is cash, except:

When the donation is in the form of a pledge that will be paid out in five, ten, sometimes twenty years, if ever. It's the "if ever" part tghst keeps Kraft up at night and is a primary reason why he fired Franklin when he did.
 

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The Joe set up was bad enough. Then we got restricted BoT meetings, secret meetings, stacking the deck so alumni members had no voice, screening and limiting questions, then Barbour, Amaechi, and finally Franklin.

Supported him at first, until it was apparent he was running an undisciplined bunch of bush league performers, and was a greedy, self promoter.

That did it for me.
 

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No, it's true.

Overall donations have been way down since the Joe set up.

People are designating donations to screw the BoT.

I don't know how many times this has to be posted or explained.
Except. Money is fungible. Designated donations just mean that you don't have to worry about those areas and can move other general funds away from that to where you want them.

That's what my home state did with lottery funds that were designated for education. Is the education budget higher because of that?? Nope. The budget is about the same, but the general funds once used there have been moved elsewhere to balance other parts of the budget.
 

Chumboshifko1

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Except. Money is fungible. Designated donations just mean that you don't have to worry about those areas and can move other general funds away from that to where you want them.

That's what my home state did with lottery funds that were designated for education. Is the education budget higher because of that?? Nope. The budget is about the same, but the general funds once used there have been moved elsewhere to balance other parts of the budget.

Donations are being designated for specific use. Overall, donations have been and will continue to be assigned to specific use.

There isn't a damn thing for the BoT to do except properly honor Joe.
 

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Except. Money is fungible. Designated donations just mean that you don't have to worry about those areas and can move other general funds away from that to where you want them.

That's what my home state did with lottery funds that were designated for education. Is the education budget higher because of that?? Nope. The budget is about the same, but the general funds once used there have been moved elsewhere to balance other parts of the budget.
“There’s the rub”
Same deal with the North Carolina “Education” Lottery.
Same deal with United Fund claiming you can designate your contribution.
 

Chumboshifko1

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“There’s the rub”
Same deal with the North Carolina “Education” Lottery.
Same deal with United Fund claiming you can designate your contribution.

You get a receipt where the money went.

Are you alleging theft by deception and fraud?