Did Dabo tug on the loose string?

[18IsTheMan]

In connection with the probe over Dabo's allegations, the NCAA is now reportedly looking into Ole Miss for illegal contact with a Fresno State player and Fresno State apparently has receipts.

Ole Miss fans, for their part, are shook. They are whining that they've been tampered with and have the receipts. To which I say "man up and show the receipts". They have wondered why nobody is up in arms about the Duke/Mensah/Miami situation like they are Dabo/Ole Miss. The obvious big difference is that Dabo had the stones to publicly call out the opposing coach/program and bring the receipts. Duke didn't.

I think everyone should just start ratting out everyone else.

 

[Lurker123]

In connection with the probe over Dabo's allegations, the NCAA is now reportedly looking into Ole Miss for illegal contact with a Fresno State player and Fresno State apparently has receipts.

Ole Miss fans, for their part, are shook. They are whining that they've been tampered with and have the receipts. To which I say "man up and show the receipts". They have wondered why nobody is up in arms about the Duke/Mensah/Miami situation like they are Dabo/Ole Miss. The obvious big difference is that Dabo had the stones to publicly call out the opposing coach/program and bring the receipts. Duke didn't.

I think everyone should just start ratting out everyone else.

I hope its true. I just have so little faith the NCAA will do anything of substance.

There's a little hope though. Just a very little.....

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

In connection with the probe over Dabo's allegations, the NCAA is now reportedly looking into Ole Miss for illegal contact with a Fresno State player and Fresno State apparently has receipts.

Ole Miss fans, for their part, are shook. They are whining that they've been tampered with and have the receipts. To which I say "man up and show the receipts". They have wondered why nobody is up in arms about the Duke/Mensah/Miami situation like they are Dabo/Ole Miss. The obvious big difference is that Dabo had the stones to publicly call out the opposing coach/program and bring the receipts. Duke didn't.

I think everyone should just start ratting out everyone else.

Your man crush on Rev. William Christopher Swinney is beyond disgusting.

 

[Lurker123]

Your man crush on Rev. William Christopher Swinney is beyond disgusting.

If you can try to set aside the Clemson part, I know its hard to do, but this is a time where the dude is doing the right thing.

Too little, too late, imo. Dabo's trying to stop a freight train with his bare hands, imo.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Your man crush on Rev. William Christopher Swinney is beyond disgusting.

 

[JohnnySolo]

This might bite him in the rear; however it is ClemTech and they've had a horseshoe up their rear for a long time. I agree with him. This is his program, his job, his business that someone else is messing with. Anyone in any other business would do the same if someone else was messing with the food on their table. I'd be willing to bet money that whatever punishment happens will be less than what we received from providing car pool services and a hotel room for whoever back in the day.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

I think everyone should just start ratting out everyone else.

We just need to tidy up before we start blowing our horns.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We just need to tidy up before we start blowing our horns.

I'm sure we've got our skeletons, but I wouldn't imagine we're among the egregious violators. To my knowledge, we've never pulled in a player who was already under an NIL agreement with another program.

As one commentator noted, Clemson served this on a silver platter to the NCAA. They have to know their reputation is hanging by the loosest of threads and that they are viewed as a totally incompetent and useless vestige. If they can't even manage to squeak out some kind of punishment for this, they will be signaling that 1. There are no longer any rules of relevance and 2. They are an organization that can be completely ignored and disregarded.

Dabo has served up an opportunity for them to take back some control. That said, I can certainly see Ole Miss filing suit if they are punished and the courts overturning it.

 

[Lurker123]

We just need to tidy up before we start blowing our horns.

Ha. With our luck, we'd be made the example of.

But I get the idea. If everyone gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar, something HAS to be done, right?

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

If you can try to set aside the Clemson part, I know its hard to do, but this is a time where the dude is doing the right thing.

Too little, too late, imo. Dabo's trying to stop a freight train with his bare hands, imo.

BS. He cheated for a long time. Now it's coming back to bite him.

 

[nlstanford]

BS. He cheated for a long time. Now it's coming back to bite him.

This is the correct take. What Dabo is really mad about is that the previous system, the one his program was set up to exploit, is no longer in existence.

 

[92Pony]

Ha. With our luck, we'd be made the example of.

But I get the idea. If everyone gets caught with their hand in the cookie jar, something HAS to be done, right?

Either us, or Northeastern Podunk U State Community College is gonna get hammered! The NCAA will show they mean business!

 

[gpcocks]

I hope its true. I just have so little faith the NCAA will do anything of substance.

There's a little hope though. Just a very little.....

NCAA is feckless

 

[Piscis]

Nothing is going to happen. NCAA is toothless now. If they try to punish a program, what will they do? The CFP isn't an NCAA event, ESPN can invite whoever they want. Taking away scholarships is a joke now. NIL collective will simply give players enough money to pay for school on top of the NIL money. A bowl ban means nothing. If a team doesn't make the CFP, a bowl doesn't mean much and top players opt out anyway.

The fans have let the money and the CFP obsession ruin the thing they loved. There is too much money involved for anyone to stop the train.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

I'm sure we've got our skeletons, but I wouldn't imagine we're among the egregious violators.

And Swinney had to have made sure they cleaned out any of their own skeletons before they started outing Ole Miss.

 

[Tngamecock]

This might bite him in the rear; however it is ClemTech and they've had a horseshoe up their rear for a long time. I agree with him. This is his program, his job, his business that someone else is messing with. Anyone in any other business would do the same if someone else was messing with the food on their table. I'd be willing to bet money that whatever punishment happens will be less than what we received from providing car pool services and a hotel room for whoever back in the day.

Ah ah ah……don’t forget the chocolate chip cookies Jerri Spurrier baked for the team. That one changed college football and I for one was proud of the ncaa for cleaning up our program. It could have caused a cookie epidemic.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Ah ah ah……don’t forget the chocolate chip cookies Jerri Spurrier baked for the team. That one changed college football and I for one was proud of the ncaa for cleaning up our program. It could have caused a cookie epidemic.

Sweetheart! That lady is a Gamecock!

 

[will110]

If you can try to set aside the Clemson part, I know its hard to do, but this is a time where the dude is doing the right thing.

Too little, too late, imo. Dabo's trying to stop a freight train with his bare hands, imo.

Nah he's just trying to save his job. He could have done this 5 years ago and never did. This is just another one of his Dabo rants to draw attention away from the poor product he's putting on the field.

 

[Piscis]

Nah he's just trying to save his job. He could have done this 5 years ago and never did. This is just another one of his Dabo rants to draw attention away from the poor product he's putting on the field.

5 years ago, there wasn't really an issue with tampering and the transfer portal rule was a one time transfer without having to sit out.

I don't care for Dabo at all and he has definitely dropped the ball on how he has handled the transfer portal. However, I think he is on the right side of this argument. I don't know him and don't listen to much of what he says, but I get the feeling he is starting to feel like Saban did and has about had a belly full of what college football has become. I don't think he is worried about his job. He has (or should have) enough money that his great grandchildren won't have to work if he was fired or walked away tomorrow.

 

[will110]

5 years ago, there wasn't really an issue with tampering and the transfer portal rule was a one time transfer without having to sit out.

I don't care for Dabo at all and he has definitely dropped the ball on how he has handled the transfer portal. However, I think he is on the right side of this argument. I don't know him and don't listen to much of what he says, but I get the feeling he is starting to feel like Saban did and has about had a belly full of what college football has become. I don't think he is worried about his job. He has (or should have) enough money that his great grandchildren won't have to work if he was fired or walked away tomorrow.

I hope he walks away tomorrow.

 

[Lurker123]

I hope he walks away tomorrow.

With the way he approaches tampering and the portal, we may want him to stay there.

 

[18IsTheMan]

UGA president calling on the SEC to establish its own rules and enforcement for tampering: https://www.si.com/college/clemson/...-sec-wants-to-dive-into-tampering-regulations

 

[18IsTheMan]

The CSC is now investigating LSU for NIL violations:

LSU’s NIL reporting becomes first public investigation by College Sports Commission

The College Sports Commission is investigating whether an LSU staffer failed to report one or more NIL deals.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Creek Snake]

I think Ole Miss’s contention is that because the player had not signed a Rev Share that he was not bound to Clemson and it was no diffferent than a commit flip.The fact that he was in class to them had no bearing.
Definitively unseemly but I’m not sure it violated any rule or at least that’s Ole Miss’s argument.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think Ole Miss’s contention is that because the player had not signed a Rev Share that he was not bound to Clemson and it was no diffferent than a commit flip.The fact that he was in class to them had no bearing.
Definitively unseemly but I’m not sure it violated any rule or at least that’s Ole Miss’s argument.

That's not really relevant. He had already enrolled as a student at Clemson. AND...this is the major factor...he was not in the portal. Schools are not permitted to contact players who are not in the portal. Ole Miss did not catch him in some kind of limbo status. He was a bona fide Clemson student NOT in the portal.

Ole Miss fans are leaning hard into the fact that he didn't have a signed deal (if that is true), but it's actually irrelevant to the tampering issue. Tampering = initiating contact with a player not in the portal.

 

[Creek Snake]

My question would then be and I truly don’t know the answer here is what officially removes you from the portal once you enter?

 

[SouthernBelly]

Whatever does or does not happen from the NCAA, I’m here to see it all burn. Let the stone casting and lawsuits ensue. College sports is the best reality TV there is.

 

[18IsTheMan]

My question would then be and I truly don’t know the answer here is what officially removes you from the portal once you enter?

The new school's compliance office handles that.

 

[HWGcock]

Dumbo is right but I have zero sympathy. Cheating with New Springs $ got him where he is today.

 

[Nsbbeachguy59]

Dabo: back in the good old days, when you bought a player, he stayed bought. We used to get 5* players for $25k to an uncle. Now they want as much money as I make. This is just not right.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Cheating with New Springs $ got him where he is today.

I've only ever heard the New Spring conspiracy from USC fans. That raises some doubts to its veracity.

 

[Forkcock]

I've only ever heard the New Spring conspiracy from USC fans. That raises some doubts to its veracity.

Good Lord dude. You know, this is a Gamecock board.

 

[RAtheOLcoach]

I've only ever heard the New Spring conspiracy from USC fans. That raises some doubts to its veracity.

Coached a kid who I laid on a platter to Carolina and Steve was clearly on his way out and bumbled it.
But I will say, somehow mom got to move to Clemson and get a nice job in the area, house close to campus and the C student girlfriend got a free ride to tigger town too. Even before college, somehow he got to transfer high schools into a school outside of his district and then ends up moving to an apartment across the street. Suddenly, CU is in the recruiting conversation whereas before it was Carolina, LSU, Chapel Hill, and Miss State. His new position coach a CU grad and donor.
Not too upset with that part as I was doing the same being a gamecock fan and his coach.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Good Lord dude. You know, this is a Gamecock board.

It's hard to take our fans seriously sometimes.

When the starting position is "I hate Dabo and will disagree with anything he says" it loses a bit of credibility.

 

[Lurker123]

It's hard to take our fans seriously sometimes.

When the starting position is "I hate Dabo and will disagree with anything he says" it loses a bit of credibility.

There is a definite difference between message board banter and real conversations.

I hate Clemson, everyone who went there is garbage and all their women are ugly. Then in real life you live next to and befriend a grad from there. You work with them and maybe even marry one.

We need a different font for message board banter and "no, I'm talking real life about this".

 

[18IsTheMan]

There is a definite difference between message board banter and real conversations.

I hate Clemson, everyone who went there is garbage and all their women are ugly. Then in real life you live next to and befriend a grad from there. You work with them and maybe even marry one.

We need a different font for message board banter and "no, I'm talking real life about this".

Excellent point. It's true.

I certainly get all the hate Clemson stuff from the message board perspective, but yeah, real life is quite different.

I put Dabo's position on the portal and such in the real life category. Whoever he is or works for, I'm very philosophically aligned with him on those issues.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Nothing is going to happen. NCAA is toothless now. If they try to punish a program, what will they do? The CFP isn't an NCAA event, ESPN can invite whoever they want. Taking away scholarships is a joke now. NIL collective will simply give players enough money to pay for school on top of the NIL money. A bowl ban means nothing. If a team doesn't make the CFP, a bowl doesn't mean much and top players opt out anyway.

The fans have let the money and the CFP obsession ruin the thing they loved. There is too much money involved for anyone to stop the train.

Just a few short years ago, taking away scholarships was a very serious punishment. With the NIL Deals working in tandem with transfer portals, taking away scholarships is no longer the impairment that was once feared.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just a few short years ago, taking away scholarships was a very serious punishment. With the NIL Deals working in tandem with transfer portals, taking away scholarships is no longer the impairment that was feared.

Yes And now that the scholarship limit now is effectively 105, they'd have to take away 20 scholarships to even bring teams back down to the former operating limit.

 

[Piscis]

Coached a kid who I laid on a platter to Carolina and Steve was clearly on his way out and bumbled it.
But I will say, somehow mom got to move to Clemson and get a nice job in the area, house close to campus and the C student girlfriend got a free ride to tigger town too. Even before college, somehow he got to transfer high schools into a school outside of his district and then ends up moving to an apartment across the street. Suddenly, CU is in the recruiting conversation whereas before it was Carolina, LSU, Chapel Hill, and Miss State. His new position coach a CU grad and donor.
Not too upset with that part as I was doing the same being a gamecock fan and his coach.

You could find hundreds of cases exactly like that at every college program. Look at Raiola suddenly flipping from UGA to Nebraska. I'm sure it was entirely coincidental that Raiola's uncle was named OL coach at Nebraska right before he flipped.

 

[3USC1801]

As @18IsTheMan, @Lurker123, @Harvard Gamecock and others have said, there is a difference between being a fan and supporting a logical solution to an overarching problem.

Some are less disposed to overlook the messenger than others. I get that and take their rant on the matter with a grain of salt. It’s what makes reading a message board enjoyable at times.

So, when @Forkcock becomes exasperated, I try to understand his/her stance. But I do smile a little inside and kind of agree because, after all, I’m a Gamecock fan!